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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 12:57:21 GMT -5
I got a Dynamite Kid DVD and watched all his matches and got inspired to watch more Japanese wrestling.
I have now begun to watch Kenta Kobashi, but this is what I don't understand.
In two Kenta Kobashi matches I have watched, the first being his match of the year with Misawa, he got dominated throughout the entire match and he comes back to win.
The second match was versus Mike Awesome. In this match alone, he took multiple awesome bombs, was put through a table, was powerbombed from the top rope, body splashed, and STILL WON. That's not believable to me. How could anyone take that many powerbombs in the ring, on a table, and off the top rope, and still win? Mike should have equally took a beating, for him to lose like that isn't believable.
That just doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me like most of Kobashi matches are following the same formula. Kobashi takes a beating the entire match, does nothing, but then comes back and wins in the end with a finisher.
It says on wikipedia :
"It is treated as a legitimate fight, with fewer theatrics; the stories told in Japanese matches are about a fighter's spirit and perseverance."
So is this what most Japanese matches are like? In my Dynamite Kid set, the matches are pretty even... And this is kind of a turn off if all Japanese wrestling is wrestler B getting his butt kicked and in the last 5 minutes he comes back.
Thanks
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RollingElbow
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Post by RollingElbow on Feb 20, 2017 23:50:43 GMT -5
Kobashi is something else, his whole image is this big guy whose able to take hits and keep firing back either till fail or victory, which depending on what era Kobashi it is, it will most likely be a win. If you watch earlier Kobashi stuff, it's sorta the same however he would lose constantly. It was a slow build to the Kobashi you probably watched.
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Feb 21, 2017 2:46:27 GMT -5
"...about a fighter's spirit and perseverance."
plus if you believe in Jesus Christ anything is possible brother. (see David vs Goliath)
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 21, 2017 17:41:30 GMT -5
Well, first of all you're making quite the generalization there; "All Japanese Wrestling is the same." Though, making generalizations seems to be your wont. Here, lemme try to explain buddy.
First of all, how to you reconcile the differences between a Dolph Ziggler match from a Hulk Hogan match?
To really "get" Kobashi (or the AJPW style in general) one would really need to go back to '89 and watch Tenryu/Jumbo and then work your way up from there. Kobashi, Misawa, Kawada, and Taue are slowly brought up through the ranks from '89-'93 and from '94-'00 the style escalates based upon what has happened before.
So, while one could absolutely watch and enjoy Kobashi/Misawa '03 with no backstory, doing so is akin to never watching an episode of The Walking Dead, only to tune in for the last episode ever and think, "I don't see the big deal." You don't understand what's going on in the match because you don't understand the story of their particular rivalry that was built up in the 15 years preceding it. The rivalry includes many moves and spots that are referenced in the '03 match.
The Awesome match was done that way because Awesome worked FMW for years, thus making him a "garbage wrestler" in the eyes of the elitist "King's Road" fans. So Awesome gets to run through his "garbage offense" and Kobashi gets to basically show that, "A garbage powerbomb through a table is NOTHING compared to the glorious LARIAT!".
So to sum up, no, all Japanese matches don't follow the Hulk Hogan formula. And yes, to fully appreciate and understand the AJPW/Noah style you would need to watch the tentpole matches from them over a 15 year period... But if someone has time to sit through one f cking Mizzanin match, they've got time for a random 6 man tag from AJPW TV circa 1993.
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Post by RollingElbow on Feb 22, 2017 19:31:56 GMT -5
Bono just described it perfectly.
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