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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 11:47:57 GMT -5
1996-97 was the highlight of BCA figs and he was a major player for a bit there. always wondered why they never made him. Roddy Piper was another they could have made after his match with Goldust.
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Post by Chicago on Feb 20, 2017 12:20:37 GMT -5
1996-97 was the highlight of BCA figs and he was a major player for a bit there. always wondered why they never made him. Roddy Piper was another they could have made after his match with Goldust. Jake Roberts in the BCA line was never not a possibility considering he was under contract until February 1997, but I don't think he had a realistic shot. Had he been a more prominent player in the '96 main event scene (a la Warrior's brief stint), he could have made it. But he didn't and so we'll always have to wonder what was or was not considered by Jakks at one time. Here's a recap of past discussion on this topic: Watching WWF Raw chronologically and now I'm up to September 96. I'm assuming the first couple series of BCA were based around March or April of 1996 given that Warrior, Diesel, and Razor are all included. I'm honestly kind of surprised at the choices in the line after having seen what I've seen. Is anyone else surprised we didn't get a Jake Roberts in BCA style? They could have easily subbed out one of the HBK, Bret, or Undertaker repaints to put Roberts in the line. Also, if Justin Hawk Bradshaw was put in series 4 when he was more prominent in 96, why was Faarooq not released in the Blue attire as opposed to the NOD? Other than that though, I feel like Jakks did a great job covering the more important characters of the era. With 197 pages of BCA Awesomeness I'm sure this has been covered before, but are there any other Superstars you wish would have received a BCA figure that didn't? Same here, although I only got up to the May 13th episode (two weeks prior to IYH #8: Beware of Dog) and then stopped watching about two months ago. I really want to start back up soon. It's awesome to get to see the points of reference for the BCA figure line. We definitely have covered Jake Roberts before. He was with the WWF from January 1996 to February 1997, which seems like ample time for a figure to have been made. Here are a few snippets of discussion about a BCA Jake Roberts figure from this very thread: I got a question about the BCA line. Was there not in series 2 or 3, going to be a Jake Roberts figure, but was removed and they put in the re-release Shawn and Bret from series 1? I heard a rumor about that. I'm not going to say that it couldn't have happened, but I really don't believe there were plans to make him in either series 2 or 3. He was with the company until February 1997, so you would think that there is enough time to plan a Roberts figure and have it reach store shelves. Obviously something else got in the way to prevent it from happening, or maybe there wasn't anything there to further speculate on since it is just a rumor. I've not come across any information that says Roberts was scheduled or even considered, but I wouldn't rule it out. One of my biggest wants for the line would be a King of the Ring 1996 Grudge Match exclusive 2-pack featuring him and Austin. I remember when series 4 came out..I got Lawler at Wal-Mart and the receipt had Jake Roberts as his name.My brother got some figure out of the set maybe Farooq,and his receipt said Mark Henry..so i immediately figured those guys would be made in the future..Henry was eventually,but Roberts never was..which sucked.. I have also heard rumors of that Jake Roberts in BCA series 3. From what I have heard, is the reason there were the HBK and Hart re-releases. I don't think Roberts would need to be replaced by two figures. The line-up had debut figures of Ahmed, Bulldog, Mankind, and Sid in it, so Jakks was probably looking to cut costs and/or provide stores with additional shipments of popular names that would sell like Bret and Shawn. Why there were re-releases of Diesel and Goldust (well, Goldust had black trim added) in Series 3 is still strange to me. Right, that is why I kept most of mine. I use there heads for RA customs. They come out very good. chicago, no man. The rumor was....is that Jake Roberts and 123 Kid were to be in BCA Series #3. However both left the company around or near this time. That's what I heard.. take it for what's it is worth. Did anybody else hear the rumor back in the day that Series 3 of the Superstars figure line was supposed to have Jake Roberts and Mark Henry in it but they were dropped and they added repeats of Hart and Michaels? Never heard about Henry and considering He debuted around August 96 but I did hear that Jake was planned All of these quotes intrigue me looking back on them, but I've never heard anything to suggest Henry or Roberts were going to be made in Series 4, or Series 3 for that matter. Series 4, a.k.a. "Bad Boys", was released in July 1997. Prototypes for the eventual Series 4 figures were unveiled at NYC's Toy Fair in mid February 1997, which means the line-up was all but confirmed by the time Jake split from the WWF. Mark Henry had a brief run initially when he signed with the WWF in August 1996, but then he only made sporadic appearances until November 1996 when he left to heal injuries/train to compete and he was gone for a full year. If you go back even further in the BCA timeline to late November 1996, you'll find that the line-up for Superstars Series 3 was revealed and both Bret and Shawn's names are mentioned. Superstars Series 2 was announced back in mid August 1996, and the original Superstars Series 1 figures can be traced back to early December 1995. Jon from Ringside Collectibles is responsible for that last one (almost 20 years ago!) and that occurred not even two months after Jakks and Titan Sports entered into a licensing agreement to produce 6" WWF figures. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 12:36:28 GMT -5
oh man. thanks brotha! that was a fun read. guess we'll never really know. but he had to be the top guy I wanted made for BCA that didnt get one. and LOVE your 2-pack idea!
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Post by Chicago on Feb 20, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -5
oh man. thanks brotha! that was a fun read. guess we'll never really know. but he had to be the top guy I wanted made for BCA that didnt get one. and LOVE your 2-pack idea! Thanks. I don't know if I would've rated it much as a kid, but Austin/Roberts is an ideal Grudge Match 2-pack for me as an adult collector. Roddy Piper is in the same boat as Roberts, except with even less WWF credentials for that year, because he would've needed to be a top-tier talent at the time Jakks was considering lineups in order to make it by Superstars Series 3. Also, if the Grudge Match 2-packs were available in '96, Piper/Goldust would be right near the top of my wishlist. Same for a Gorilla Monsoon/Vader 2-pack or 1-2-3 Kid/Razor Ramon from their feud early in the year. |
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Post by BROKEN on Feb 20, 2017 21:41:39 GMT -5
I would have loved one.
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Post by slipcapone on Feb 21, 2017 12:06:44 GMT -5
It would have been great to see Jakks take on his figure from that time! At least we have Warrior in his various incarnations...
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 21, 2017 20:04:42 GMT -5
We got Yokozuna who was long gone by 97 so a Jake would've been nice.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 21, 2017 20:51:48 GMT -5
Jake definitely would have been in the time period for maybe Series 2, 3, 4 and even 5 but maybe he just didn't have enough storylines or major feuds at the time. We could definitely do without a re-release of Bret, Shawn, Goldust, Diesel (last two were S3 add ons) or Vader or Stone Cold.
As for Yokozuna, we got two different versions and I think WWF always had hopes he would lose weight and return. The rumors were going on even into 1998. Though Jakks was never really with the times, I'm guessing WWF may have put notice the expected Yokozuna back.
What really confused me about the earlier days of Jakks was the Razor/Diesel two pack. It was neat to get a different version but these were clearly based on Nash and Hall and not the fake characters. I can't see WWF putting THAT much thought into the fake gimmick to try and get Jakks to make the figures.
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Post by ARUN on Feb 21, 2017 23:40:53 GMT -5
Interesting thread. Surprised we never got a BCA Jake.
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Post by Chicago on Feb 22, 2017 6:50:10 GMT -5
What really confused me about the earlier days of Jakks was the Razor/Diesel two pack. It was neat to get a different version but these were clearly based on Nash and Hall and not the fake characters. I can't see WWF putting THAT much thought into the fake gimmick to try and get Jakks to make the figures. The Razor/Diesel 2-pack should not have made the cut, but for some reason it was approved and will go down in history as the first exclusive set of figures made by Jakks. Their likenesses were absolutely intended to be Hall and Nash. It just so happened that Rick Bognar and Glenn Jacobs debuted as the fake incarnations around the time that Puzzle Zoo began sending out adverts of its exclusive BCA 2-pack. Razor/Diesel was originally slated for a late September/early October '96 release, so it's entirely plausible that work began on the set while both were still employed by the WWF. |
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Post by FUSamBaker on Feb 23, 2017 22:07:16 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, a BCA Jake would have been pretty neat. Especially with a Damien snake. I can perfectly picture a BCA Jake haha (for some reason he had a bunk eye like most of those BCAs did haha!) I'm not a fan of the early sets though. So many Shawn's and Takers ect. I know Jakks was just getting their footing and for the time they were great figures but I wasn't really a fan.
How cool would a SCSA vs Jake pack have been though?
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Post by cwfpro on Feb 24, 2017 2:40:01 GMT -5
I heard rumors that actually jake roberts along with another wrestler were slated to be in series 3 but were scrapped and that is why michaels & bret were Re-releases. I believe the guy were to be 123 kid or jim neidhart. I'm just repeating what i heard ...I'm not trying to to start fight or a war. It just rumors.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 24, 2017 6:19:36 GMT -5
I heard rumors that actually jake roberts along with another wrestler were slated to be in series 3 but were scrapped and that is why michaels & bret were Re-releases. I believe the guy were to be 123 kid or jim neidhart. I'm just repeating what i heard ...I'm not trying to to start fight or a war. It just rumors. If true that breaks my heart because a BCA Neidhart would've completed the 97 Hart Foundation. It's a stable that can never be properly completed because Neidhart is missing from the BCA's and we will never get Owen from Mattel. |
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Post by WWE Fig guy on Feb 24, 2017 7:51:50 GMT -5
I don't remember where I read it from,but I do think that initially Jake and 123 Kid were intended to be slotted for series 3 but for some reason they got the proverbial sh*t can...I swear I also remember seeing diesel and goldust on series 3 carding at Wal-Marts back then,also leading me to believe that we were originally suppose to get new characters,but got that carpet pulled from underneath our feet
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Post by Chicago on Feb 24, 2017 9:46:45 GMT -5
I heard rumors that actually jake roberts along with another wrestler were slated to be in series 3 but were scrapped and that is why michaels & bret were Re-releases. I believe the guy were to be 123 kid or jim neidhart. I'm just repeating what i heard ...I'm not trying to to start fight or a war. It just rumors.   Neidhart was doing the whole "Who" schtick in '96 when Series 3 was still being discussed, so that's a no go. He returned to the WWF as his regular self in late April 1997 which was several months after Series 3 had already been released to stores. Not to mention, Series 4 (a.k.a. the "Bad Boys" assortment) was on display at Toy Fair two months earlier so there weren't any open slots for Neidhart in that series either. Consider this as well: Why wasn't there ever a BCA Jim Neidhart figure?? Clearly he was around long enough to have had one figure at least. You would think that, but I don't believe Jakks ever committed to a Neidhart figure due to his iffy contract situation with the WWF. He was being paid-per-appearance during his final 1997 run and I don't believe Jakks ever received the okay from the WWF to produce a figure of him. Neidhart was gone after the Montreal Screwjob as he defected to WCW with other members of the family (Bret, Bulldog) so, given the four-to-six month grace period necessary for Jakks to make a new figure, their time table never quite matched up with his tenure. It's a shame, too, because I really do feel that he would have been made had he 1. been signed to a legitimate contract/contract of length or 2. continued with the company for another two or three months. Obviously, I doubt the Hart Foundation would still be relevant by that point, but Jakks could put an existing Owen in a pack (like that Owen/HHH Grudge Match set that was released after so long) with Neidhart's debut figure. I'm sure they could have made it work, but it didn't seem like much of a priority for them at the time. I don't remember where I read it from,but I do think that initially Jake and 123 Kid were intended to be slotted for series 3 but for some reason they got the proverbial sh*t can...I swear I also remember seeing diesel and goldust on series 3 carding at Wal-Marts back then,also leading me to believe that we were originally suppose to get new characters,but got that carpet pulled from underneath our feet The 1-2-3 Kid ranks among the lower tier stars of '96, therefore I don't think he would've been in the right place to debut alongside the era's biggest names in Series 1 to 4. He would have definitely been in consideration early on despite his departure in May '96 (Diesel and Razor Ramon can attest to that), but there just weren't enough slots to go around in late '96/early '97. If he was to be included at all, I think he would have had to be in Goldust's position in either Series 1 or Series 3. Goldust and Diesel were late additions to Series 3. I wish I could say I knew why these were included in sets released as late as May 1997, but my guess is to break up the cases that were filled with Bret and Shawn re-releases from Series 1. That still doesn't explain why Diesel was chosen and not Razor, or why Goldust was the only one of those "re-releases" to actually be repainted in the process, but maybe someday we'll have those questions answered for us by a former Jakks employee.  |
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Post by cwfpro on Feb 24, 2017 9:48:17 GMT -5
I heard rumors that actually jake roberts along with another wrestler were slated to be in series 3 but were scrapped and that is why michaels & bret were Re-releases. I believe the guy were to be 123 kid or jim neidhart. I'm just repeating what i heard ...I'm not trying to to start fight or a war. It just rumors. If true that breaks my heart because a BCA Neidhart would've completed the 97 Hart Foundation. It's a stable that can never be properly completed because Neidhart is missing from the BCA's and we will never get Owen from Mattel. That is what i always thought. No jim neidhart and he was there during the hart foundation run. |
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Post by poindizzle on Feb 24, 2017 11:06:59 GMT -5
Always a fascinating read. Especially about the Razor/Diesel thing.
A BCA Jake the Snake would be dope.
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Post by ellisd on Feb 28, 2017 22:54:28 GMT -5
A BCA Jake would have been cool. Although not perfect, here's my attempt at adding Jake to the BCA line.  |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 1, 2017 6:44:08 GMT -5
A BCA Jake would have been cool. Although not perfect, here's my attempt at adding Jake to the BCA line. Those are excellent and that Piper looks so legit. |
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