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Post by OTC Waxbender on Feb 27, 2017 17:04:51 GMT -5
I watch wrestling all around the world, so it makes sense to watch WWE regardless if I love the full product or not. And no, a HOF that includes Trump, Snoop Dogg, Teddy Long, Abdullah, is no real Hall of Fame. It's an insult to be an hall of fame that includes people like that. The WWE HOF is a joke. Everyone knows this. One day Eugene and spike dudley will be in the hall of fame too. Maybe jamie noble and billy kidman deserve a spot. All of those guys have a valid reason for going in, the first 2 are also in the celebrity wing. Trump is very good friends with Vince and has had a lot of involvement with WWE. Snoop Dogg has a better claim than a lot of the other celebrities as aside from just making multiple appearances, he is Sasha's cousin and helped her come up with "The Boss". Teddy Long was an onscreen personality, manager, and referee for 29 years. Abdullah has probably had the longest wrestling career of all time (52-53 years at the time). All of this PLUS Billy Kidman deserves to be in the HOF. He is one of the best little guys of all time and he's been training people and working behind the scenes in WWE for a decade now. He might not have had the greatest in ring career in WWE but he's paid his dues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 17:07:40 GMT -5
Everyone in this thread Lmao. Beth Phoenix was one of the first American woman wrestlers to bring back womans wrestking from Tits and Ass. She deserbes it more than a lot of peoppe. She broke borders and doesnt have tons of issues like other woman superstars. Anyways
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Post by Gone. on Feb 27, 2017 17:08:30 GMT -5
Beth in before Santino?
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Feb 27, 2017 17:09:21 GMT -5
Everyone in this thread Lmao. Beth Phoenix was one of the first American woman wrestlers to bring back womans wrestking from Tits and Ass. She deserbes it more than a lot of peoppe. She broke borders and doesnt have tons of issues like other woman superstars. Anyways I sorta understand why people are complaining. I disagree with the people saying this is why the HOF is a joke. Personally, there's women who should have gotten the call before Beth, but i think she does deserve it.
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Post by Angel Beast on Feb 27, 2017 17:20:32 GMT -5
As has been said over and over again: The HOF is a business transaction. It's there to celebrate people who are on good terms with Vince and the company. Has anybody ever stopped to think that maybe the estates of deceased wrestlers are difficult to work with, or there were behind the scenes things that soured the relationship that nobody knows about?Lots of things can and will hinder business transactions. That's why Savage took so long after his death. Lanny kept saying it was Randy's wish for his whole family to be inducted. What changed, I couldn't tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 18:02:34 GMT -5
Everyone in this thread Lmao. Beth Phoenix was one of the first American woman wrestlers to bring back womans wrestking from Tits and Ass. She deserbes it more than a lot of peoppe. She broke borders and doesnt have tons of issues like other woman superstars. Anyways Kay you might be overusing that gif there bud.
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 27, 2017 18:03:35 GMT -5
I originally wasn't crazy about this but now that I think about it, Drew Carey went into the HOF before Bruno, Macho man and Warrior. Those three were perfect examples of having a poor relationship with Vince and the company. It's not like she bumped you from getting inducted. You don't know that! THIS COULD HAVE BEEN MY YEAR!! As has been said over and over again: The HOF is a business transaction. It's there to celebrate people who are on good terms with Vince and the company. Has anybody ever stopped to think that maybe the estates of deceased wrestlers are difficult to work with, or there were behind the scenes things that soured the relationship that nobody knows about?Lots of things can and will hinder business transactions. That's why Savage took so long after his death. Lanny kept saying it was Randy's wish for his whole family to be inducted. What changed, I couldn't tell you. This guy gets it.
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 27, 2017 18:08:29 GMT -5
Well deserved. But Miss Elizabeth should have gone in
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 27, 2017 18:43:58 GMT -5
I'm torn. On one hand I want to say that she probably never drew a dime. On the other, I know that she was a victim of the times and had a good career. Well deserved. But Miss Elizabeth should have gone in She should have been one of the first women to go in.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 27, 2017 19:03:20 GMT -5
People getting upset about this still confuses me. The WWF Hall of Fame is a show for fans to be nostalgic. You get in if you're in good standing with the company and that's it.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 27, 2017 19:07:41 GMT -5
Are you lying on purpose, or have you not seen the Sunny shoot where she (A) Confirms she was banging Shawn for 6 months (B) Denies ever doing anything with Bret. Did you not hear that Sunny admitted to fabricating things in multiple shoot interviews? I was just pointing out that Shawn, Sunny, Kid, Nash, Hall have all admitted that Sunny and Shawn were banging. Whereas Shawn's the only one to ever accuse Bret of banging Sunny, and because of that comment, Shawn has a huge bald spot. SO it was strange that he said Shawn allegedly did it, and that Bret just did it. The proper thing to say would be, "Sunny was a couple with most of the locker room for at least one night including HBK and (allegedly) Bret._______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As far as Beth is concerned, maybe it's a make good with Edge, maybe it's just the woman's spot... But I think it's more of a Koko B Ware situation. Was Koko's run HoF worthy from a Kayfabe POV? Nah. But Koko once knocked out booker George Scott for being a racist at the expensive of his own job (he was brought back not much later). That set forth a sea change in respects to the culture backstage. That's why Koko's in. I think, in the minds of the higher ups, that Beth was one of the first women to show that you didn't need to look like a 90's pornstar to get over and add something valuable to the product. So, Beth might not be worthy in a kayfabe sense (but she is!), but when it comes to impact on the company as a whole, she deserves to be there 1000%. And for the people who are worked up over her induction... You DO know that there are 2, far more prestigious Hall of Fames out there already, don't you? One's that have a REAL selection committee and things like that? Hell, the PWHF isn't even some abstract thing, it's an actual Hall of Fame!
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 27, 2017 19:31:06 GMT -5
People getting upset about this still confuses me. The WWF Hall of Fame is a show for fans to be nostalgic. You get in if you're in good standing with the company and that's it. Triple H has mended some of the burned bridges with some of the superstars that held grudges with WWE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 21:37:34 GMT -5
This is shocking. She deserves it but not so soon. I think all of the women listed below should go in before her... Michelle McCool Mickie James Melina Miss Elizabeth Sable Chyna Victoria Aj Lee Lilian Garcia Vickie Guerrero Torrie Wilson
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Post by dante123 on Feb 27, 2017 21:39:38 GMT -5
She is in the hall too early.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Feb 27, 2017 22:43:05 GMT -5
Here's a list of women who are equally as deserving as Beth...
Candice Michelle Melina Stacey Keibler Torrie Wilson Michelle McCool Layla Amy Weber Joy Giovanni Christy Hemme Ashley Massaro Maria Kristal Marshall Lauren Jones Lena Yada
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 23:02:54 GMT -5
Here's a list of women who are equally as deserving as Beth... Candice Michelle Melina Stacey Keibler Torrie Wilson Michelle McCool Layla Amy Weber Joy Giovanni Christy Hemme Ashley Massaro Maria Kristal Marshall Lauren Jones Lena Yada Haha for what? Stripping? What did Joy do beside be big shows GF for a while? Melina? SRS? Lololol.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Feb 27, 2017 23:08:34 GMT -5
Here's a list of women who are equally as deserving as Beth... Candice Michelle Melina Stacey Keibler Torrie Wilson Michelle McCool Layla Amy Weber Joy Giovanni Christy Hemme Ashley Massaro Maria Kristal Marshall Lauren Jones Lena Yada Haha for what? Stripping? What did Joy do beside be big shows GF for a while? Melina? SRS? Lololol. Proving my point exactly. Why should any woman from the years of 2001-2015 be in the HOF yet? I'm not trying to downplay Beth's contributions. However it's too soon and is as asinine as any of these listed. I don't see why Marlena, Molly, Ivory, Sable or Luna aren't going in before Beth. Slim pickins this year or nah?
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Feb 27, 2017 23:36:39 GMT -5
I have few qualms over it but Ivory and Molly should be in it long before.
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Feb 28, 2017 10:04:25 GMT -5
It's pretty hilarious how negative people react to stuff like this.
IT'S THE FREAKING WWE HALL OF FAME! What do you expect, from Vinnie Mac's Sports Entertainment HoF?! Would I like to see Wrestling Legend/Veteran A, B or C in the WWE HoF? SURE! But bitching around because of the people that get inducted is just stupid! Trust me, I'd love to see Brian Pillman, Rick Rude, Undertaker, Vader, Bruiser Brody etc. etc. to get inducted. But will me bitching around because of someone like Beth Phoenix, The Bushwackers, The Godfather etc. etc. cause them to get inducted into WWE's HoF? No! It won't! Beside that! There are HoFs like the WON HoF! A HoF that guys like Taker, Heyman, Jericho, Cena, Bryan, Nakamura, Tanahashi etc. etc. are all ready part of! Did they get to hold speeches? No! But beside that. What is the difference between the WWE & WON HoF? It's not like WWE has their own version of the "Professional Wrestling Hall Of Fame & Museum". So why bother making such a big deal about who is holding a speech & take Photos with their HoF Rings each Mania Weekend?
The WWE HoF, is there for Legends, Veterans, What Ever, to have nice speeches & feel good moments. As if things like the Celebrity Wing or inductees like Koko B. Ware, The Bushwackers, The Godfather, Rikishi etc. etc. aren't proving that!
When it comes to women like Chyna, it should be 100% obvious why it won't happen! Does it suck & is it disrespectfull towards Chyna? Sure! But what does Beth Phoenix, have to do with WWE's problems with Chyna?
And as long as Victoria, Ivory or Molly Holly aren't sick & could die withing the next few years like Vader or WWE just decides to stop doing the HoF, nothing prevents them from getting inducted during the next few years! What difference does it make if someone like Victoria, Ivory or Molly Holly have their speech & take photos with their Rings this Year or 2018, 2019 or 2020?
I'm actually happy for Beth & yes she deserves it! If you like it or not. Sure, she wasn't as big of a deal as someone like Chyna. But if you think about the time she was active. She was one of the better parts of that "Divas" Division.
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Post by Daria on Feb 28, 2017 11:15:56 GMT -5
If Chyna got inducted fans would say they did it because she died. Molly Holly's husband is in jail and that's not good publicity. Jazz is suing WWE. Sable hates/wants nothing to do with the wwe. Ivory isn't a big enough name for it (although she'll still probably get inducted later on) Torrie and Stacy wouldn't fit with this whole "women's revolution" gimmick they're still trying to portray. (Once that dies down they're definitely a shoe in)
I agree Beth is kinda early but her impact is undeniable.
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