hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 15, 2017 10:40:25 GMT -5
Their first Mania match was a fun one. They're going to push Reigns. People can bitch and piss and moan all they want but as long as they're watching, WWE wins. Even the few members here who say they never watch, yet complain about everything that's going on because they are still watching. No way you can bitch weekly about everything you don't like if you're not watching. Roman is a good worker. He puts on consistently good matches. Once there comes along someone who the internet hates more than Reigns, he'll be just fine. Hell, he's just fine now. His singles matches at Mania have been Brock, Triple H and now Taker. He's closed the show at the last two Manias. In spite of the boos, folks are still watching and paying money to see him. I think you overestimate his drawing power. I wouldn't say that most people tune in to see Reigns wrestle. Yeah he's "fine" per day. But he's not at a top level to be to carrying the company.He's at Lex Luger/ Diesel level at best. He's not someone who can put asses in seats consistently and people gravitate towards. He's got th Cena vibe without the drawing power. If Vince wanted to, he'd sacrifice 2 years or so and let Reigns be a cocky, arrogant heel and show his true personality that we've seen glimpses of. Then when he turns around and comes back as a face, he'd make so much more money for the company. I don't see why it wouldn't work. His merch doesn't sell all that well from what I understand. Ambrose, Rollins, and New Day outsell him.
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Post by Chip on Mar 15, 2017 10:54:19 GMT -5
gotta disagree completely with JR here....
first off, ZERO chance Lesnar wrestles 11 times in a year (defending the title) secondly...his first reign was horrendous. it didnt do anything for the title....all it did was make people be like "when is Lesnar gonna defend the title" and that was only for a few months, i cant begin to imagine how awful the show would be without the world title to anchor it
the Universal title should be the #1 priority of every superstar on RAW. thats the POINT of a title. it shouldnt be a prop for a UFC fighter and for them to try and fake this "Credibility" bullcrap because it doesnt get defended all the time.
and on top of that we'd be getting 12 months of Heyman coming out saying the same thing for 3 - 4 weeks before every PPV.
and on top of that, the endgame is just getting the title to Reigns.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 15, 2017 10:57:04 GMT -5
That's one of those "It only counts when we want it to" rules, the ones that are usually brought up in situations involving Brock. Last year's PED scandal with Lesnar is the first time I've heard of the "The wellness policy doesn't apply to part timers" rule too. That's basically like saying HHH, Cena, Brock, and Goldberg could all be shooting up with roids and won't even get a slap on the wrist. Agreed, it's total B.S You can't be part time and be champion. It doesn't make sense that me. I hate the idea and nobody can tell me otherwise. I agreed with you by mentioning his lack of defences lol? But we've seen 3 part time champions in The Rock, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg since 2013 and people wanted Sting to win the belt in 2015. It wouldn't shock me at all if it happens more often in the future.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Mar 15, 2017 11:14:01 GMT -5
That's one of those "It only counts when we want it to" rules, the ones that are usually brought up in situations involving Brock. Last year's PED scandal with Lesnar is the first time I've heard of the "The wellness policy doesn't apply to part timers" rule too. That's basically like saying HHH, Cena, Brock, and Goldberg could all be shooting up with roids and won't even get a slap on the wrist. Agreed, it's total B.S You can't be part time and be champion. It doesn't make sense that me. I hate the idea and nobody can tell me otherwise. I agreed with you by mentioning his lack of defences lol? But we've seen 3 part time champions in The Rock, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg since 2013 and people wanted Sting to win the belt in 2015. It wouldn't shock me at all if it happens more often in the future. Don't forget HHH last year too. Part timers should be special attractions saved for big 4 shows, and shouldn't be in the main event unless they're wrestling a full time guy. They should NEVER be in title matches.
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 15, 2017 11:22:19 GMT -5
That's one of those "It only counts when we want it to" rules, the ones that are usually brought up in situations involving Brock. Last year's PED scandal with Lesnar is the first time I've heard of the "The wellness policy doesn't apply to part timers" rule too. That's basically like saying HHH, Cena, Brock, and Goldberg could all be shooting up with roids and won't even get a slap on the wrist. Agreed, it's total B.S You can't be part time and be champion. It doesn't make sense that me. I hate the idea and nobody can tell me otherwise. I agreed with you by mentioning his lack of defences lol? But we've seen 3 part time champions in The Rock, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg since 2013 and people wanted Sting to win the belt in 2015. It wouldn't shock me at all if it happens more often in the future. Yeah lol I know you agreed with me. But there are people who love that and try to justify it. Guys like Rock and Goldberg who dropped/going to drop the title at the next PPV isn't as bad. But Brock had a 7 month title reign while only defending the thing 3 times. Mind boggling.
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Post by Infinite on Mar 15, 2017 12:26:14 GMT -5
Wrestlemania's starting to lose it's appeal to me. It almost feels detached from the actual show, like a one off stand-alone event rather than a culmination of the last year's build up.
I really don't see Brock holding the title for a year. I'm expecting whoever wins at Mania to drop the belt within 2 months.
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Post by Yayo on Mar 15, 2017 13:58:07 GMT -5
I hate to tell everyone, as much as I would love to see Finn be the one to beat Lesnar for the title, Vince is not gonna let a 195 pound man beat his precious Bork Lazer
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Post by The Brain on Mar 15, 2017 14:24:48 GMT -5
I said this before and it stands true...Vince needs the part timers/legends as he knows it will help in the ratings. Case in point Goldberg as Raw champ in the main event of Mania this year. Another example being Kurt Angle who's near 50 coming back as GM and on top of that possibly another run.
Bottom line Vince needs these guys or his product would be further in the toilet than it already is.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 15, 2017 14:40:00 GMT -5
That's one of those "It only counts when we want it to" rules, the ones that are usually brought up in situations involving Brock. Last year's PED scandal with Lesnar is the first time I've heard of the "The wellness policy doesn't apply to part timers" rule too. That's basically like saying HHH, Cena, Brock, and Goldberg could all be shooting up with roids and won't even get a slap on the wrist. Agreed, it's total B.S You can't be part time and be champion. It doesn't make sense that me. I hate the idea and nobody can tell me otherwise. I agreed with you by mentioning his lack of defences lol? But we've seen 3 part time champions in The Rock, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg since 2013 and people wanted Sting to win the belt in 2015. It wouldn't shock me at all if it happens more often in the future. At least Sting wrestled on Raw and could manage long matches. He was 8 years older than Goldberg and was in a far better shape.
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Post by Gone. on Mar 15, 2017 14:44:52 GMT -5
I don't like anything about this. I hated Lesnar's reign as WWE champion, he was never there to defend the damn thing. To have a year of that sounds absolutely dreadful.As for Reigns vs Lesnar...we've been down that avenue before. Unless you plan on double turning them or doing something different, you're going to get the same exact thing as WM31. The entire stadium booing Reigns out the building. JR is only guessing or giving his idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was right. I didn't mind Lesnar's run because it was pretty obvious he'd barely be there. What annoys me though is that in 2014 they used the storyline that Daniel Bryan was stripped of the WWE title for not defending it within 30 days, however Lesnar didn't defend it between September 2014 - January 2015... uhhh, logic? 🙄 Ans Becky didn't defend for over a month and Bryan stripped Naomi. #logoc
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 15, 2017 14:46:13 GMT -5
I said this before and it stands true...Vince needs the part timers/legends as he knows it will help in the ratings. Case in point Goldberg as Raw champ in the main event of Mania this year. Another example being Kurt Angle who's near 50 coming back as GM and on top of that possibly another run. Bottom line Vince needs these guys or his product would be further in the toilet than it already is. A few years ago I would've agreed but at present the part timers aren't needed because the WWE currently has its best young talent in years. Here are a few examples. AJ Styles Roman Reigns Samoe Joe Finn Balor Seth Rollins Dean Ambrose Bray Wyatt Bobby Roode Im sure there are more but those guys alone should have enough drawing power to make people tune in. When the part time trend first started you had guys like Sheamus and Del Rio in the main event so they were needed then but not now.
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Post by The Brain on Mar 15, 2017 15:11:39 GMT -5
I said this before and it stands true...Vince needs the part timers/legends as he knows it will help in the ratings. Case in point Goldberg as Raw champ in the main event of Mania this year. Another example being Kurt Angle who's near 50 coming back as GM and on top of that possibly another run. Bottom line Vince needs these guys or his product would be further in the toilet than it already is. A few years ago I would've agreed but at present the part timers aren't needed because the WWE currently has its best young talent in years. Here are a few examples. AJ Styles Roman Reigns Samoe Joe Finn Balor Seth Rollins Dean Ambrose Bray Wyatt Bobby Roode Im sure there are more but those guys alone should have enough drawing power to make people tune in. When the part time trend first started you had guys like Sheamus and Del Rio in the main event so they were needed then but not now. Even AJ,Joe and Roode are pushing 40. I do agree they have good young talent but Vince will always have the mindset to use the legends over full time roster guys. Just look at the times he wanted Austin to come back for one more match.
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Post by The Everlasting Spirit © on Mar 15, 2017 15:20:37 GMT -5
Quite simply... no thanks!
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 15, 2017 23:22:30 GMT -5
At least Sting wrestled on Raw and could manage long matches. He was 8 years older than Goldberg and was in a far better shape. Not really understanding the point you're trying to make because I despise the fact that Goldberg's champion ATM. The guys probably had about 10 mins in ring competition, if that prior to Fastlane and I don't get how that earned him a title shot. As for Sting, he ended up in a tag team match with John Cena on RAW which wasn't anything special. It would've been nice to see him be WWE champion just to say he did it but otherwise it'd just be another part timer holding the title.
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Post by tarver89 on Mar 16, 2017 4:03:20 GMT -5
Stop the pain.
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Post by Mark Martin on Mar 16, 2017 4:40:24 GMT -5
Let's hope that doesn't happen. Plans change so much in the WWE though that no matter what they say they want at Mania 34, we're a year away so the card is gonna change an ass ton from now till then.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 16, 2017 7:01:12 GMT -5
If they take the next year to build Roman up as an unstoppable heel, this could work. If they keep Roman as face, meh.
If they spend the next year rebuilding Brock Lesnar as a man-tank, this could be good. If Brock shows up 4 times a year, meh.
Too many if's for my liking.
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Post by A-Rob on Mar 16, 2017 14:16:14 GMT -5
Vince won't give up. It's amazing how stubborn he is with making Roman Reigns the top guy when he obviously isn't.
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Post by Dan on Mar 16, 2017 14:33:06 GMT -5
I think it's more likely to happen at Summerslam, with Wrestlemania 34 being Roman Reigns vs John Cena. I can't see Lesnar having a year long reign, as nobody will believe that anyone will likely have a serious chance of winning the Title .
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Post by bengalsredsbucks20 on Mar 16, 2017 16:06:34 GMT -5
Vince isn't going to turn him heel just to appease the smarks WWE doesn't care about the hardcore because they will never quit watching. Vince had his next project in Finn but he got injured. Just probably reaffirmed his insistence on Roman being the top guy.
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