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Post by PJ on May 20, 2017 17:43:12 GMT -5
I'm positive Mattel would never rerelease an RSC exclusive. That's why I've given up hope on ever getting an '02-''03 Kane. But maybe I'll get lucky and they'll do one wothout the removable mask. They rereleased rse cactus jack and rse stone cold pretty much. The new Cactus was a different attire than the RSC figure so it wasn't a straight rerelease, but rather a repaint. And I think the DM Austin had the Legends head and not the superior RSC smirking head. So that wasn't a rerelease either.
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Post by Vamp55 on May 20, 2017 18:08:34 GMT -5
They rereleased rse cactus jack and rse stone cold pretty much. The new Cactus was a different attire than the RSC figure so it wasn't a straight rerelease, but rather a repaint. And I think the DM Austin had the Legends head and not the superior RSC smirking head. So that wasn't a rerelease either. Yeah, and wasn't one Austin in Red and black and the other is Grey and Black. They did the Austin perfect. Enough to keep the newer collectors happy, yet it was different from the first one.
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Post by maske2g on May 20, 2017 20:22:16 GMT -5
Struck a nerve did I? Look, Im really flattered that you would give me the definition of a scalper, really I am. Though Ive had plenty experience dealing with that type of scum so your condescending essay is not needed here. I detect some sensitivity in regards to these "high value" figures though. Now, I know that you dont want your toys to feel any less important and that obviously really upsets you at the slightest thought, but this is absolutely immature. I said, a couple "carefully picked figures" not re release the entire catalog. I would prefer people to all have a FAIR shot at these but thats coming from someone that just likes collecting not someone thats obsessed with a toys market value/depreciation. Figures with "high shelf value" can be a big deterrence to new collectors. Many can't afford to drop $100 on one figure. I feel, with any company in any industry, if the demand is there, and the ability to place it in the market again without distrubting current waves, I say flood the market. Why let Johnny McScalpitall hoard "rare" figures to slowly drop on ebay $40 above typical selling prices just bleeding the availability of the figure thus driving the current price up to his asking price. Its a sick game, and honestly, its plastic. Your toy has is no different from plastic forks or wiffle ball bats. I say, lets make all collectors happy. If you want chase figures, or the alpha male feelings with superiority over collectors, go collect comics or Hot Toys. Lets not forget, these are mass produced and somewhere is a Nash, Diesel, and old RSC exclusives sitting in a basket at Johnsonville Towns flea market collecting dust surrounded by He-Man and GI Joes... Value never lasts, eventually these things will crack, warp, chip, fade, stick, and stink. Lets keep the community happy and healthy. With all due respect, thats the biggest loads of bollocks in the thread and patronising to 90% of the people on here. if I collected for money I wouldn't have the 15 Sheamus figures that I do, or the 30 Rey Mysterio basics. Vamp55 has won this arguement already, if you didn't collect from the start, hard luck. I can't biy LJN's too heavy to ship to the UK, not crying about it.... Myself, and anyone else, should not have to buy figures twice to continue collecting the flagship line. Case in point, Amazon Mankind. I have to buy that, again, just to complete a stupid backdrop that I dont even want. Ive only ever passed on one mainline elite, Randy Orton bored the f out of me, but bullpoop rereleases will make me stop altogether and just collect FTIL. By the way, your point on damaged goods is counter to your point. A 12 back Jawa with a vinyl cape, that, split, cracked and broke got a cloth cape running change, and thats why an original is worth 12 grand carded....
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Post by SteveHulk on May 20, 2017 20:47:51 GMT -5
Nah, u didn't hit a nerve. I have never collected nor will I ever collect for value. Much safer ways to make money. Sure if something goes up in value I'm happy about that, and I believe Mattel should protect the secondary market as it promotes the overall product and brings new collectors in. This increases the amount of new figures we see, which is good for everyone. I guess what I struggle to understand is how it's unfair for those that didn't buy it the first time around? I wish I had a full set of MOC Hasbro's. But I don't .. It's not unfair that I don't have them, and I don't expect/want Hasbro (or Mattel) to reissue them so I can get them. And I certainly don't expect a collector who has them to sell them at retail to keep it 'fair' (which you seemed to imply in your first post, by referencing the increased value as scalper prices). I just don't see the link between someone who doesn't have a toy, believing they were disadvantaged... This. A thousand times, this.
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Post by mcfclee on May 20, 2017 20:53:20 GMT -5
Figures with "high shelf value" can be a big deterrence to new collectors. Many can't afford to drop $100 on one figure. I feel, with any company in any industry, if the demand is there, and the ability to place it in the market again without distrubting current waves, I say flood the market. Why let Johnny McScalpitall hoard "rare" figures to slowly drop on ebay $40 above typical selling prices just bleeding the availability of the figure thus driving the current price up to his asking price. Its a sick game, and honestly, its plastic. Your toy has is no different from plastic forks or wiffle ball bats. I say, lets make all collectors happy. If you want chase figures, or the alpha male feelings with superiority over collectors, go collect comics or Hot Toys. Lets not forget, these are mass produced and somewhere is a Nash, Diesel, and old RSC exclusives sitting in a basket at Johnsonville Towns flea market collecting dust surrounded by He-Man and GI Joes... Value never lasts, eventually these things will crack, warp, chip, fade, stick, and stink. Lets keep the community happy and healthy. With all due respect, thats the biggest loads of bollocks in the thread and patronising to 90% of the people on here. if I collected for money I wouldn't have the 15 Sheamus figures that I do, or the 30 Rey Mysterio basics. Vamp55 has won this arguement already, if you didn't collect from the start, hard luck. I can't biy LJN's too heavy to ship to the UK, not crying about it.... Myself, and anyone else, should not have to buy figures twice to continue collecting the flagship line. Case in point, Amazon Mankind. I have to buy that, again, just to complete a stupid backdrop that I dont even want. Ive only ever passed on one mainline elite, Randy Orton bored the f out of me, but bullpoop rereleases will make me stop altogether and just collect FTIL. By the way, your point on damaged goods is counter to your point. A 12 back Jawa with a vinyl cape, that, split, cracked and broke got a cloth cape running change, and thats why an original is worth 12 grand carded.... I don't quite understand the logic behind don't re release for people who missed out, but also if they do you "have" to buy it? What bollox, you choose to buy it. I started again recently and if they re release Nash or Kane I'll buy them as they are priced through the roof these days. I'm not moaning about it and if I decide I have to have them for my collection I'll pay. That said if they come out again I'd be grateful and grab them. There is no right or wrong. Yes I could have started years ago and might have missed some. On the other hand no collector is forced to buy double up figures and chooses to do so. It's life and not that big of a deal.
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Post by tylergfromthe513 on May 20, 2017 22:06:10 GMT -5
Vamp55Yeaaah, theyre just toys. TOYS. You people all come on here just looking for a fight. I could care less if they re-re-re-release the same figure for the next 3 years. I dont have to buy it or even acknowledged its existance. Comparing Hasbros, a 20 something year old vintage toy line to a Nash figure thats been out a couple years is ludicris. Sorry but value for toys is opinionated and I especially will never find it justifiable to spend anymore or much more than retail on a hunk of molded plastic. If I want Mattel to re make a figure so I can get it at a normal price and thats too bizarre for you to understand then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously dont believe in "fair" because its a hardknock life in the wrestling toy game, sucka! maske2g Won? Who cares. Toys. Theyre toys that we collect. This is insanity. SteveHulk Toys.
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Post by jaroto on May 20, 2017 22:40:28 GMT -5
They must release a BATB96 Nash. It would be dumb if they don't.
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Post by SteveHulk on May 21, 2017 1:31:44 GMT -5
OK... let's take the E16 Nash as an example - it was only packed 0.5 per-case and was never even released here, but it was a figure I really wanted. So I bit the bullet and bought one on eBay (plus shipping to the UK). Cost quite a bit (and this was back in 2012). So now, years later, if Mattel suddenly re-release the figure at mass-retail, I'm supposed to just sit back and think "Oh, well - that's great for Johnny Come Lately who wasn't collecting the figures back then - or didn't want (ie. was too cheap) to get one on the secondary market"? Right. I bought it at the time as it was the only way of getting the figure - and I love having it because a. I'm a big NWO fan and really wanted it and b. it was only 0.5 to a case and is quite sought-after/collectible. If it's wrong for me to be pleased that a figure I have is quite collectible or sought-after, then I'm wrong. But it all adds to the pleasure of collecting and figure hunting etc. (for me, anyway) - I love finding short-packed or HTF figures.
And yes, they're "only toys" - but that doesn't mean they're worthless "hunks of molded plastic"... everything has some value if someone else wants it - at the end of the day, a vintage MOC "Power Of The Force" Yak Face is/was "only a toy".
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Post by PJ on May 21, 2017 1:45:47 GMT -5
Figures with "high shelf value" can be a big deterrence to new collectors. Many can't afford to drop $100 on one figure. I feel, with any company in any industry, if the demand is there, and the ability to place it in the market again without distrubting current waves, I say flood the market. Why let Johnny McScalpitall hoard "rare" figures to slowly drop on ebay $40 above typical selling prices just bleeding the availability of the figure thus driving the current price up to his asking price. Its a sick game, and honestly, its plastic. Your toy has is no different from plastic forks or wiffle ball bats. I say, lets make all collectors happy. If you want chase figures, or the alpha male feelings with superiority over collectors, go collect comics or Hot Toys. Lets not forget, these are mass produced and somewhere is a Nash, Diesel, and old RSC exclusives sitting in a basket at Johnsonville Towns flea market collecting dust surrounded by He-Man and GI Joes... Value never lasts, eventually these things will crack, warp, chip, fade, stick, and stink. Lets keep the community happy and healthy. With all due respect, thats the biggest loads of bollocks in the thread and patronising to 90% of the people on here. if I collected for money I wouldn't have the 15 Sheamus figures that I do, or the 30 Rey Mysterio basics. Vamp55 has won this arguement already, if you didn't collect from the start, hard luck. I can't biy LJN's too heavy to ship to the UK, not crying about it.... Myself, and anyone else, should not have to buy figures twice to continue collecting the flagship line. Case in point, Amazon Mankind. I have to buy that, again, just to complete a stupid backdrop that I dont even want. Ive only ever passed on one mainline elite, Randy Orton bored the f out of me, but bullpoop rereleases will make me stop altogether and just collect FTIL. By the way, your point on damaged goods is counter to your point. A 12 back Jawa with a vinyl cape, that, split, cracked and broke got a cloth cape running change, and thats why an original is worth 12 grand carded.... Nobody is forcing you to buy a figure twice or finish a backdrop. I have tossed every backdrop piece in the trash. To me they are a nice idea but just clutter. And also the Mankind isn't a straight rerelease it is different than the Amazon figure as it has knee pads and laced boots.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on May 21, 2017 2:04:29 GMT -5
If you buy because YOU enjoy them then youre doing it right,
I you buy them because someone else might not have them, or theyre "rare" then youre doing it wrong....
Anyone that wants them should be able to get them if the demand is there. If not theyll have to turn to secondary market and thats money Mattel loses, but only if enough people fork over 2-4x their MSRP.
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Post by maske2g on May 21, 2017 4:08:31 GMT -5
With all due respect, thats the biggest loads of bollocks in the thread and patronising to 90% of the people on here. if I collected for money I wouldn't have the 15 Sheamus figures that I do, or the 30 Rey Mysterio basics. Vamp55 has won this arguement already, if you didn't collect from the start, hard luck. I can't biy LJN's too heavy to ship to the UK, not crying about it.... Myself, and anyone else, should not have to buy figures twice to continue collecting the flagship line. Case in point, Amazon Mankind. I have to buy that, again, just to complete a stupid backdrop that I dont even want. Ive only ever passed on one mainline elite, Randy Orton bored the f out of me, but bullpoop rereleases will make me stop altogether and just collect FTIL. By the way, your point on damaged goods is counter to your point. A 12 back Jawa with a vinyl cape, that, split, cracked and broke got a cloth cape running change, and thats why an original is worth 12 grand carded.... Nobody is forcing you to buy a figure twice or finish a backdrop. I have tossed every backdrop piece in the trash. To me they are a nice idea but just clutter. And also the Mankind isn't a straight rerelease it is different than the Amazon figure as it has knee pads and laced boots. Oh stop being pedantic PJ its the same figure bud!! When you have bought all 50 series you feel kind of compelled to keep buying. Show some loyalty to people who collect everything in return for the loyalty they have shown.
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Post by maske2g on May 21, 2017 4:09:26 GMT -5
Vamp55Yeaaah, theyre just toys. TOYS. You people all come on here just looking for a fight. I could care less if they re-re-re-release the same figure for the next 3 years. I dont have to buy it or even acknowledged its existance. Comparing Hasbros, a 20 something year old vintage toy line to a Nash figure thats been out a couple years is ludicris. Sorry but value for toys is opinionated and I especially will never find it justifiable to spend anymore or much more than retail on a hunk of molded plastic. If I want Mattel to re make a figure so I can get it at a normal price and thats too bizarre for you to understand then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously dont believe in "fair" because its a hardknock life in the wrestling toy game, sucka! maske2g Won? Who cares. Toys. Theyre toys that we collect. This is insanity. SteveHulk Toys. They are "only toys". Yet you have been in a full blown argument about them for a day.....
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Post by RUBFigs on May 21, 2017 4:38:54 GMT -5
Considering how much money was spend on mine, I hope not. If they were to do somewhat of a re-release, I think the 3rd option as a basic figure would do quite well. Mattel have never made a basic Kevin Nash figure before. But a Kevin Nash attire I would like to see on a figure before this one is from Royal Rumble 2014. The short hair would make it look different from every other Kevin Nash figure, and the singlet was worn for many years so it would cover a wide time period.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on May 21, 2017 4:47:57 GMT -5
I'm always against re-releases, NOT because I care about the value of mine and don't want others who missed out to not get it. I just want them to not release the EXACT SAME FIGURE! I mean, I'm all for a repaint in the same gimmick, or how about a new headscan. Something to differentiate it because that means it's a new figure that I can feed my addiction with. There are better parts and things since 2012.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on May 21, 2017 7:47:30 GMT -5
Struck a nerve did I? Look, Im really flattered that you would give me the definition of a scalper, really I am. Though Ive had plenty experience dealing with that type of scum so your condescending essay is not needed here. I detect some sensitivity in regards to these "high value" figures though. Now, I know that you dont want your toys to feel any less important and that obviously really upsets you at the slightest thought, but this is absolutely immature. I said, a couple "carefully picked figures" not re release the entire catalog. I would prefer people to all have a FAIR shot at these but thats coming from someone that just likes collecting not someone thats obsessed with a toys market value/depreciation. Nah, u didn't hit a nerve. I have never collected nor will I ever collect for value. Much safer ways to make money. Sure if something goes up in value I'm happy about that, and I believe Mattel should protect the secondary market as it promotes the overall product and brings new collectors in. This increases the amount of new figures we see, which is good for everyone. I guess what I struggle to understand is how it's unfair for those that didn't buy it the first time around? I wish I had a full set of MOC Hasbro's. But I don't .. It's not unfair that I don't have them, and I don't expect/want Hasbro (or Mattel) to reissue them so I can get them. And I certainly don't expect a collector who has them to sell them at retail to keep it 'fair' (which you seemed to imply in your first post, by referencing the increased value as scalper prices). I just don't see the link between someone who doesn't have a toy, believing they were disadvantaged... Maybe we just look at things differently. So we might just have to agree to disagree. I for one, would love another Outsiders Nash. Just not the one we have already have, as reissues tend to warm (Boss Man, Taker, DM Taker, Kamala, WM6 Warrior), and their are soooooo many other variations we could have. Let's get a re-paint of Nash. Vamp55 has said it best.
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Post by nwo4lyfe on May 21, 2017 8:32:41 GMT -5
We don't need to get a re-release. There were different color schemes that he wore in WCW and WWE. If they were smart they could re-issue him with the WCW tag title or one of the two outsiders shirts he wore and make another Scott hall to come with either the tag belt or outsiders shirts. It's not like he's not a figure that sells.
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Post by PJ on May 21, 2017 8:37:51 GMT -5
We don't need to get a re-release. There were different color schemes that he wore in WCW and WWE. If they were smart they could re-issue him with the WCW tag title or one of the two outsiders shirts he wore and make another Scott hall to come with either the tag belt or outsiders shirts. It's not like he's not a figure that sells. Won't happen. Mattel does not have the rights to make WCW title belts.
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Post by mcfclee on May 21, 2017 8:45:41 GMT -5
Nobody is forcing you to buy a figure twice or finish a backdrop. I have tossed every backdrop piece in the trash. To me they are a nice idea but just clutter. And also the Mankind isn't a straight rerelease it is different than the Amazon figure as it has knee pads and laced boots. Oh stop being pedantic PJ its the same figure bud!! When you have bought all 50 series you feel kind of compelled to keep buying. Show some loyalty to people who collect everything in return for the loyalty they have shown. End of the day this is a business and they are not gonna not make a figure because you feel you have to buy it. They'll make it if it will sell and plenty of collectors like me will buy a Nash, Kane, Bundy etc if they re release them again. The idea earlier of slight changes is a good one, but they will do what makes business sense no matter what any of us think.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 8:47:52 GMT -5
Hopefully zero. Rereleases of characters with different looks are in my opinion, lazy.
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Post by PJ on May 21, 2017 9:05:18 GMT -5
Hopefully zero. Rereleases of characters with different looks are in my opinion, lazy. Wait! What? If that was the case you would only have one Warrior in your Mattel collection. They rerelease Warrior in how many different looks now? Or were you trying to say straight out rereleases of a figure and not repaints of characters?
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