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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 20, 2017 9:46:10 GMT -5
Vince still hasnt learned that its fans that choose a 1/2 of the team to push, not him. If the fans arent behind the guy as part of the team then they wont be behind him as a singles guy. They split and then flop.
A perfect example was the Hart Foundation. Bret was 10 times more over then Anvil was. When they would wrestle singles matches he'd get a reaction where they mostly sat on their hands for Anvil.
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Post by J12 on Jun 20, 2017 9:47:39 GMT -5
I don't think this was a day-of decision. I'm sure Vince has been salivating at the thought of making Cass a singles guy since the day they debuted. Hell, they toyed with it last summer.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 20, 2017 9:54:18 GMT -5
I forgot who posted it or if I read it on anotehr board, but the absolute worst thing that ever happened was Enzo getting injured right out the gate after his call up. It made Vince realize Big Cass was just that: BIG.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 20, 2017 10:41:37 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with everyone that says this was all Vince. And I wouldn't be surprised if the wheels started turning the moment he met Enzo & Cass. The problem is, it's been stated that Vince doesn't book long term. I think that's why reports are Triple H is getting frustrated with Vince. I wouldn't be surprised if Triple H is not a fan of them splitting either.
Neither will be as great apart as they were together. There is no denying that WWE has a shortage of good popular tag teams while having an over abundance of single talent floundering for TV time. I think the comparison to splitting up Cryme Tyme is the most accurate. Once the dust settles, this will be a huge mistake.
Personally, I just don't see the appeal in Cass without Enzo. It's not 1990 anymore. It takes a lot more than size to get over nowadays. Enzo on the other hand, is very entertaining. But it's kind of obvious, Vince is not a fan. So it's only a matter of time till Enzo & R-Truth end up teaming.
The whole situation is depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 10:46:37 GMT -5
A tag team that sucked in the ring and the whole team was carried by one man's microphone work.
This will flop. And it'll flop hard.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 20, 2017 10:50:53 GMT -5
I forgot who posted it or if I read it on anotehr board, but the absolute worst thing that ever happened was Enzo getting injured right out the gate after his call up. It made Vince realize Big Cass was just that: BIG. Ironically it was me who said that (I am sure others may have too) but I do remember stating that Enzo getting injured in that tag match and having Cass do a singles run for a month was gonna open Vince's eyes. I remember Cass got a win over Jericho there, and then months later he was put into the final 4 with Owens, Rollins and Reigns for the vacant Universal Title.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 20, 2017 10:55:59 GMT -5
Big Cass is getting that singles push because he's 7 feet tall. Same reason Baron Corbin got that MITB, he's tall (6'8").
Vince loves the tall guys. I think Vince is over giving smaller guys chances. Every time he gives a smaller guy the Title, it seems to end in injury.
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Post by hbkowns on Jun 20, 2017 11:05:45 GMT -5
Big Cass is getting that singles push because he's 7 feet tall. Same reason Baron Corbin got that MITB, he's tall (6'8"). Vince loves the tall guys. I think Vince is over giving smaller guys chances. Every time he gives a smaller guy the Title, it seems to end in injury. Injuries happen man. If Vince just thinks that smaller guys are just injury-prone and his beloved big guys' aren't, he's really more senile than I thought he was. He put the title on two smaller guys these past 3 years, Finn and Bryan. Bryan had already been working with a neck injury before winning the title, and Bálor's shoulder exploded in a freak accident.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 20, 2017 11:09:50 GMT -5
Big Cass is getting that singles push because he's 7 feet tall. Same reason Baron Corbin got that MITB, he's tall (6'8"). Vince loves the tall guys. I think Vince is over giving smaller guys chances. Every time he gives a smaller guy the Title, it seems to end in injury. Injuries happen man. If Vince just thinks that smaller guys are just injury-prone and his beloved big guys' aren't, he's really more senile than I thought he was. He put the title on two smaller guys these past 3 years, Finn and Bryan. Bryan had already been working with a neck injury before winning the title, and Bálor's shoulder exploded in a freak accident. Vince is critical of the smaller guys. He thinks they are all "reckless Indy spot monkey's". I disagree. Like you said, injuries can happen to anybody. Reigns has missed time with injuries, Strowman just got back from surgery, Nash was hurt numerous times,.... Who hasn't been hurt at one time or another? When the big guys get hurt, it's not a big deal to Vince. When the small guy gets hurt, oh, he's a reckless Indy guy.
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Post by perfectplex on Jun 20, 2017 11:11:23 GMT -5
It makes sense for them to eventually split up, but I feel like they pulled the trigger WAYYYYY too soon.
These guys were super over and moving merch. Give em a run with the tag titles and let them taste some glory before you plant the seeds for dissension. I feel like they've been middling around for the past year + without any true direction.
The only thing that I will disagree with most on is that I think both Enzo and Cass are super talented and will be fine on their own. Enzo has a very rare combo or charisma and mic skills that you don't see too often. Cass is a very imposing dude with a decent physique, which is also pretty rare.
It's a shame they didn't last longer as a unit, but let's see where this goes.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jun 20, 2017 11:14:13 GMT -5
I'm sure they're both nice guys outside of wrestling, but I never liked this team. Enzo was too "on", and he's about as annoying as sand in a bathing suit. Cass looks like he should be a bouncer at a rat-hole club in Atlantic City. Plus, he has unusually large nipples. Yes, I said it.
I'm hoping they don't do a "David vs Goliath" feud between them. Turn Enzo heel & have him team with the Miz.
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Post by hbkowns on Jun 20, 2017 11:24:43 GMT -5
Injuries happen man. If Vince just thinks that smaller guys are just injury-prone and his beloved big guys' aren't, he's really more senile than I thought he was. He put the title on two smaller guys these past 3 years, Finn and Bryan. Bryan had already been working with a neck injury before winning the title, and Bálor's shoulder exploded in a freak accident. Vince is critical of the smaller guys. He thinks they are all "reckless Indy spot monkey's". I disagree. Like you said, injuries can happen to anybody. Reigns has missed time with injuries, Strowman just got back from surgery, Nash was hurt numerous times,.... Who hasn't been hurt at one time or another? When the big guys get hurt, it's not a big deal to Vince. When the small guy gets hurt, oh, he's a reckless Indy guy. Yeah it's whatever supports Vince's narrative.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jun 20, 2017 11:32:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if these two are back together before Mania. They cant even figure out how to use Balor, how the hell are they gonna use Cass.
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Post by Supreme Cross on Jun 20, 2017 12:00:22 GMT -5
i think they did this split real poor. i wished Cass would have just attacked Enzo in the ring instead of just admitting he attacked Enzo. the whole speech was lame. everything was lame
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 20, 2017 12:04:09 GMT -5
I don't think it's gonna do either guy any good. The #DIY split is something where it should work because Gargano can be a great underdog babyface, while psycho killer Ciampa can be a solid heel. Here, Enzo without Cass is just gonna be a good promo who gets his ass kicked each week. Cass without Enzo will get a push, but not be nearly as interesting.
Cass ranks behind other big guys like Strowman and Corbin, so I can see him getting lost in the shuffle.
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Post by The Hitman on Jun 20, 2017 12:28:11 GMT -5
I think the split was going to happen, but it just did way too quick. Give them time as a team, only about a year and a half on the main roster isn't enough. Although imo the split was done great, I mean Enzo with the tear in his eye, and Cass holding back his emotion, it felt heartbreaking. I think Enzo will end up winning gold before Cass. Enzo will dethrone Neville for the crusierweight title. Cass will eventually have a championship, but not for a while. I'm interested in both guys, but again the split just seems way too rushed.
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Post by weaseltv on Jun 20, 2017 12:55:45 GMT -5
ok.. so ... i'm looking at a list of small wwe champions... lets see why Vince hates small wrestlers as champion...
Jeff Hardy... didn't that whole run end from drugs? CM Punk... everyone knows how that ended... Ric Flair... greatest of all time... but mostly for the competition.... Shawn Michaels... great champ... career ended though from injury... Bret Hart... we know how that ended.. Chris Jericho... he could be champ today.... great performer... but he's got a second career too... Daniel Bryan... injury Eddie Guerrero.. death? Rey Mysterio.. injury... Chris Benoit...
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 20, 2017 13:16:55 GMT -5
Anytime Vince gets even a whiff of Kevin Nash in a guy, he gets a hard-on. Like a, your erection has lasted for over 4 hours, go to the hospital, hard-on. He's wrong, of course. We all know he's wrong. That doesn't change the fact that Vince always has to learn the hard way while he makes the audience sit through it.
Cass has no personality. Enzo has copious amounts of personality. We've seen how that turns out for the guy who doesn't have any personality. The issue though is that together they're fantastic. So they shouldn't have been broken up at all because together they're one complete act. Cass just feels like a new toy in the sandbox and as soon as Vince loses interest, he'll be onto something else and forget all about Cass.
Cass is a hot tag guy. We've seen countless times where the hot tag guy gets the rub after the split and it goes nowhere. I would be twice as shocked to see WWE get a solid upper mid carder out of Cass than I would be to see him back in a tag team a year from now. It's just like Mojo without Ryder. He's half an act as a singles star, no matter how hard you try.
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Post by Plastic Cowboy on Jun 20, 2017 13:23:37 GMT -5
Lol I said it before and will say it again. Vince sees double stars again ..like Hogan / Savage and SCSA and Rock. Get ready for super Cass as Diesal vs Roman to headline Wrestlemania 35. We are now going to have Super Roman and Super Cass.
Hopefully Vince will not waist Cass like he did Braun and just feed him to Roman. Braun still be unpinned going into Summer. And Vince is all about popping his load early now for some reason instead of slow burning to the big payoffs (ex. Bayley winning the title before WM and the Usos winning their first titles just weeks before WM a few years ago).
I also feel Triple HS pain, he does more with an hour of tv time in a week and over six months than Vince in and Dunn can do with five hours of tv time. They need to get back to the jobber format to make ppv feuds and matches special again. That way the Hardys and Sheamus / Cesaro only see each other twice rather than every week. I mean they have guys like Hawkins Slater ect that can be used for competitive matches against stars and local guys that can just job
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 20, 2017 13:37:14 GMT -5
I forgot who posted it or if I read it on anotehr board, but the absolute worst thing that ever happened was Enzo getting injured right out the gate after his call up. It made Vince realize Big Cass was just that: BIG. Ironically it was me who said that (I am sure others may have too) but I do remember stating that Enzo getting injured in that tag match and having Cass do a singles run for a month was gonna open Vince's eyes. I remember Cass got a win over Jericho there, and then months later he was put into the final 4 with Owens, Rollins and Reigns for the vacant Universal Title. lol didn't realize it was you. Wasn't calling you out or anything lol But it's true. Cass's singles run opened Vince's eyes. I think they're both pretty talented, but I can see the ball being dropped completely. However, I think WWE once again misjudged . Much like when Miz and Morrison broke up and WWE thinking they had gold with Morrison (Morrison even referred to Miz as Jannetty in one side comment during a promo) only to have Miz emerge, I think Enzo emerges as the "bigger" star. He has charisma and you can't teach that.
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