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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 20, 2017 13:38:52 GMT -5
So tonight we finally seen the outcome of Cass and Enzo being attacked. I remember weeks ago when Cass told Corey Graves to shake his hand, people speculated it was Cass that attacked Enzo. But then Cass got attacked after all that. So my question is, do you think the WWE had it planned out that it was gonna be Cass turning on Enzo, or do you think it was a last minute decision today to say, "oh, uh.... let's have it be Big Cass that attacked Enzo, yeah, that will work"?? I think it's cool that they are gonna give Cass a push on his own, but I feel that Enzo and Cass could have at least went another year or so as a tag team before a split occurred. Just seems like really forced story telling by the WWE creative team. Like they really weren't sure what they were gonna do with this story line. I rather have seen it be a Smackdown team or an NXT team attack Enzo and Cass, that would have made a bit more sense. To answer your question, I like to think that this was Vince slapping Triple H in the face. I think they were having someone else pegged to be the assailant, but when word broke out that Triple H and Vince were butting heads, Vince decided to do a screw you and name Cass the assailant. I will also just place some money down that this is a swerve to draw out the real attacker.
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Post by c-scope on Jun 20, 2017 14:05:34 GMT -5
So tonight we finally seen the outcome of Cass and Enzo being attacked. I remember weeks ago when Cass told Corey Graves to shake his hand, people speculated it was Cass that attacked Enzo. But then Cass got attacked after all that. So my question is, do you think the WWE had it planned out that it was gonna be Cass turning on Enzo, or do you think it was a last minute decision today to say, "oh, uh.... let's have it be Big Cass that attacked Enzo, yeah, that will work"?? I think it's cool that they are gonna give Cass a push on his own, but I feel that Enzo and Cass could have at least went another year or so as a tag team before a split occurred. Just seems like really forced story telling by the WWE creative team. Like they really weren't sure what they were gonna do with this story line. I rather have seen it be a Smackdown team or an NXT team attack Enzo and Cass, that would have made a bit more sense. To answer your question, I like to think that this was Vince slapping Triple H in the face. I think they were having someone else pegged to be the assailant, but when word broke out that Triple H and Vince were butting heads, Vince decided to do a screw you and name Cass the assailant. I will also just place some money down that this is a swerve to draw out the real attacker. damn I hope you're right. I'm legitimately sad about them breaking up, I've never had a story line make me feel like this before, so I really hope you're right about that. I don't think that's what'll happen, but it'd make sense cause they had the footage of cass "being attacked" last week, but not the week before or the times Enzo got attacked so it could happen.
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Post by allkayfabe on Jun 20, 2017 14:07:31 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with everyone that says this was all Vince. And I wouldn't be surprised if the wheels started turning the moment he met Enzo & Cass. The problem is, it's been stated that Vince doesn't book long term. I think that's why reports are Triple H is getting frustrated with Vince. I wouldn't be surprised if Triple H is not a fan of them splitting either. Neither will be as great apart as they were together. There is no denying that WWE has a shortage of good popular tag teams while having an over abundance of single talent floundering for TV time. I think the comparison to splitting up Cryme Tyme is the most accurate. Once the dust settles, this will be a huge mistake. Personally, I just don't see the appeal in Cass without Enzo. It's not 1990 anymore. It takes a lot more than size to get over nowadays. Enzo on the other hand, is very entertaining. But it's kind of obvious, Vince is not a fan. So it's only a matter of time till Enzo & R-Truth end up teaming. The whole situation is depressing. I agree with you completely. I think they could have done some sort of injury angle for Enzo where he didn't wrestle but he was still able to be the mouthpiece for Cass.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jun 20, 2017 14:13:15 GMT -5
I wish people would stop comparing him to test. Test was in way better shape...and could actually wrestle.
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Post by Zincdust on Jun 20, 2017 14:16:24 GMT -5
I personally feel that this was a terrible, terrible idea. I find them each much more interesting together than separately.
That being said, if they HAD to pull the trigger on this angle, then it was probably done in the best way that it could have been.
Look at Enzo's face, with the dawning of realization washing over him. Genuine heartbreak. You can't help but sympathize for the lil' feller.
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Post by PJ on Jun 20, 2017 14:39:07 GMT -5
As everyone knows I was never a fan of them so I am glad. And hopefully this has brought me that much closer to never having to suffer through listening to one of their 5 minutes entrances promos. Hopefully this will lead to Enzo having matches in the back with catering like Miz said Axel has been doing since Marine 5. lol
Now maybe this will clear up some time on RAW for someone else with actual talent to shine.
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Post by hbkowns on Jun 20, 2017 14:51:38 GMT -5
As everyone knows I was never a fan of them so I am glad. And hopefully this has brought me that much closer to never having to suffer through listening to one of their 5 minutes entrances promos. Hopefully this will lead to Enzo having matches in the back with catering like Miz said Axel has been doing since Marine 5. lol Now maybe this will clear up some time on RAW for someone else with actual talent to shine. Talent like who? Axel and Bo Dallas? Or let me guess, Curt Hawkins? All of the true talents are featured regularly on the show. Enzo and Cass are not interfering with that. Hell, they haven't even been regularly on TV since Mania. Whether you like it or not Enzo and Cass had purpose on the show and had some following. Maybe they didn't cater to your Wrasslin' needs, but they were entertaining. The majority of people here didn't want this. Ending something while it was drawing money is stupid, stupid stupid business.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 15:02:14 GMT -5
All I can say is that I saw it coming straight away and have no feelings one way or another about where it goes from here, as I only liked them in NXT.
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Post by Chip on Jun 20, 2017 15:04:18 GMT -5
it was legitimately one of the dumbest things this company has ever done. regardless of what you read on the internet about them being "stale"....E&C were one of the most over/popular acts on the roster. two guys who complimented each other's flaws perfectly. a fun tag team with a great gimmick and approach. You literally have the PERFECT tag team. and now it's over. because why? they need another mega heel for Reigns to squash after Braun? like...what is the end game here? we don't need another big guy heel at the top of the card, and Cass is nowhere near good enough for that role....not even close. The guy is just NOT a talker. He's going the route of a luke harper or an erick rowan, with less wrestling skill. i just cant possibly see why anyone thought this was going to be a good idea. So now you have even LESS tag teams, when there are 2 ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing tag team championships, and you have destroyed one of the only things on monday night that crowds actually gave a crap about. there are NO WORDS to describe how insurmountably IDIOTIC the decision to break those guys up was they were only on the main roster for 14 months! thats not even enough time for anything to get stale. its just ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing stupid and i hated every single second of this. what an absolute WASTE of time it's been even having those guys here.
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Post by PJ on Jun 20, 2017 15:07:06 GMT -5
As everyone knows I was never a fan of them so I am glad. And hopefully this has brought me that much closer to never having to suffer through listening to one of their 5 minutes entrances promos. Hopefully this will lead to Enzo having matches in the back with catering like Miz said Axel has been doing since Marine 5. lol Now maybe this will clear up some time on RAW for someone else with actual talent to shine. Talent like who? Axel and Bo Dallas? Or let me guess, Curt Hawkins? All of the true talents are featured regularly on the show. Enzo and Cass are not interfering with that. Hell, they haven't even been regularly on TV since Mania. Whether you like it or not Enzo and Cass had purpose on the show and had some following. Maybe they didn't cater to your Wrasslin' needs, but they were entertaining. The majority of people here didn't want this. Ending something while it was drawing money is stupid, stupid stupid business. Sorry I have to disagree Enzo promos weren't entertaining nor was him walking around with a cr@p emoji on his gear. I guess years of having to deal with ignorant idiots like that in the real world has soured me to it. I see zero entertainment in that character. And yes I do think Axel has more talent than both Enzo and Cass, but I wasn't thinking of Axel or Bo. And I was never a fan of Hawkins (hell in all my years here I don't think I ever had a pro Hawkins comment) But I am sure there others in the back who aren't featured weekly that might surprise us if given a chance. But acts like Enzo and Cass, Adam Rose, the Bunny and the Vaudevillians were never my cup of tea.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jun 20, 2017 16:17:34 GMT -5
it was legitimately one of the dumbest things this company has ever done. regardless of what you read on the internet about them being "stale"....E&C were one of the most over/popular acts on the roster. two guys who complimented each other's flaws perfectly. a fun tag team with a great gimmick and approach. You literally have the PERFECT tag team. and now it's over. because why? they need another mega heel for Reigns to squash after Braun? like...what is the end game here? we don't need another big guy heel at the top of the card, and Cass is nowhere near good enough for that role....not even close. The guy is just NOT a talker. He's going the route of a luke harper or an erick rowan, with less wrestling skill. i just cant possibly see why anyone thought this was going to be a good idea. So now you have even LESS tag teams, when there are 2 ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing tag team championships, and you have destroyed one of the only things on monday night that crowds actually gave a crap about. there are NO WORDS to describe how insurmountably IDIOTIC the decision to break those guys up was they were only on the main roster for 14 months! thats not even enough time for anything to get stale. its just ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing stupid and i hated every single second of this. what an absolute WASTE of time it's been even having those guys here. ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing perfect summation of the whole situation. They literally had the perfect team with a license to print money through merch and they flushed it down the toliet. What happens when the Hardyz become "broken" and the majority casual crowd doesn't catch on and are going "wtf?" They literally have 5 heel teams (Revival, SheaCesaro, Club, Titus brand, and Axel/Bo) on Raw and 2 face teams (one of which, are not even featured). This just shows Vince has no clue and is literally throwing crap at the wall, hoping something sticks.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 20, 2017 16:51:51 GMT -5
Talent like who? Axel and Bo Dallas? Or let me guess, Curt Hawkins? All of the true talents are featured regularly on the show. Enzo and Cass are not interfering with that. Hell, they haven't even been regularly on TV since Mania. Whether you like it or not Enzo and Cass had purpose on the show and had some following. Maybe they didn't cater to your Wrasslin' needs, but they were entertaining. The majority of people here didn't want this. Ending something while it was drawing money is stupid, stupid stupid business. Sorry I have to disagree Enzo promos weren't entertaining nor was him walking around with a cr@p emoji on his gear. I guess years of having to deal with ignorant idiots like that in the real world has soured me to it. I see zero entertainment in that character. And yes I do think Axel has more talent than both Enzo and Cass, but I wasn't thinking of Axel or Bo. And I was never a fan of Hawkins (hell in all my years here I don't think I ever had a pro Hawkins comment) But I am sure there others in the back who aren't featured weekly that might surprise us if given a chance. But acts like Enzo and Cass, Adam Rose, the Bunny and the Vaudevillians were never my cup of tea. Our personal opinions don't matter because if Enzo is as bad as you say then why does he get the loudest reactions on Raw each week? Todays audience is full of smarks so if Enzo wasn't entertaining then surely he would get booed out of buildings. Also Axel has never sold a t shirt or even got a reaction so how does some generic guy that has already flopped have more talent? At the end of the day the WWE needs characters that draw fans in and I'm sorry but that's something that Axel, Hawkins or even Bo could ever do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 17:19:07 GMT -5
I cannot wait for Big Cass to flop... and he will.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 17:34:00 GMT -5
Sorry I have to disagree Enzo promos weren't entertaining nor was him walking around with a cr@p emoji on his gear. I guess years of having to deal with ignorant idiots like that in the real world has soured me to it. I see zero entertainment in that character. And yes I do think Axel has more talent than both Enzo and Cass, but I wasn't thinking of Axel or Bo. And I was never a fan of Hawkins (hell in all my years here I don't think I ever had a pro Hawkins comment) But I am sure there others in the back who aren't featured weekly that might surprise us if given a chance. But acts like Enzo and Cass, Adam Rose, the Bunny and the Vaudevillians were never my cup of tea. Our personal opinions don't matter because if Enzo is as bad as you say then why does he get the loudest reactions on Raw each week? Todays audience is full of smarks so if Enzo wasn't entertaining then surely he would get booed out of buildings. Also Axel has never sold a t shirt or even got a reaction so how does some generic guy that has already flopped have more talent? At the end of the day the WWE needs characters that draw fans in and I'm sorry but that's something that Axel, Hawkins or even Bo could ever do. I'm sure Axel sold a shirt man
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Post by weaseltv on Jun 20, 2017 17:51:21 GMT -5
Our personal opinions don't matter because if Enzo is as bad as you say then why does he get the loudest reactions on Raw each week? Todays audience is full of smarks so if Enzo wasn't entertaining then surely he would get booed out of buildings. Also Axel has never sold a t shirt or even got a reaction so how does some generic guy that has already flopped have more talent? At the end of the day the WWE needs characters that draw fans in and I'm sorry but that's something that Axel, Hawkins or even Bo could ever do. I'm sure Axel sold a shirt man did they ever come out with an AxleMania shirt?
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Post by bengalsredsbucks20 on Jun 20, 2017 17:56:33 GMT -5
I don't really understand it. They were still getting good reactions. The way I've always seem them is Enzo needs Cass and Cass needs Enzo. Cass is way too generic but is a pretty solid ring worker. Enzo has charisma like no end but is not known for being a great ring worker. I just don't think it was a good idea because who are the babyface tag teams in Raw? Theres the Hardys and possibly a babyface Titus brand pairing and that's really all I can think of. Them you got Gallows and Anderson, top guys, Cesaro and Sheamus and Heath and Rhyno. I just think it was a big mistake and they will both get lost in the shuffle quickly. No way is Cass getting anything as a heel with Bray, Miz, Braun, and Joe on Raw.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Jun 20, 2017 18:12:49 GMT -5
So predictable but I'm not even surprised. Now these two are going to flounder after their feud. And the feud will probably be as lame as the one Shad and JTG had. Cass's weaknesses are going to be exposed as well if they push him too hard. These two had at least another year or two together before they should've split.
Shame.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jun 20, 2017 18:12:52 GMT -5
Our personal opinions don't matter because if Enzo is as bad as you say then why does he get the loudest reactions on Raw each week? Todays audience is full of smarks so if Enzo wasn't entertaining then surely he would get booed out of buildings. Also Axel has never sold a t shirt or even got a reaction so how does some generic guy that has already flopped have more talent? At the end of the day the WWE needs characters that draw fans in and I'm sorry but that's something that Axel, Hawkins or even Bo could ever do. I'm sure Axel sold a shirt man Yup, you're right. ![](http://ews.extremewrestling.netdna-cdn.com/media/catalog/product/c/u/curtis_axel_better_than_perfect_authentic_t-shirt.jpg)
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Post by Evil Abed on Jun 20, 2017 18:34:29 GMT -5
My post from last night: Step 1. Cass will split from Enzo, get a win over him in a pointless thrown together feud that lasts about a month News from today, credit NoDq.com: Its like I'm psychic...
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Post by PJ on Jun 20, 2017 18:40:33 GMT -5
Sorry I have to disagree Enzo promos weren't entertaining nor was him walking around with a cr@p emoji on his gear. I guess years of having to deal with ignorant idiots like that in the real world has soured me to it. I see zero entertainment in that character. And yes I do think Axel has more talent than both Enzo and Cass, but I wasn't thinking of Axel or Bo. And I was never a fan of Hawkins (hell in all my years here I don't think I ever had a pro Hawkins comment) But I am sure there others in the back who aren't featured weekly that might surprise us if given a chance. But acts like Enzo and Cass, Adam Rose, the Bunny and the Vaudevillians were never my cup of tea. Our personal opinions don't matter because if Enzo is as bad as you say then why does he get the loudest reactions on Raw each week? Todays audience is full of smarks so if Enzo wasn't entertaining then surely he would get booed out of buildings. Also Axel has never sold a t shirt or even got a reaction so how does some generic guy that has already flopped have more talent?At the end of the day the WWE needs characters that draw fans in and I'm sorry but that's something that Axel, Hawkins or even Bo could ever do. Again acting like a complete moron and wearing a cr@p emoji on your gear isn't talent or entertaining. Axel can work circles around the two of them in the ring plain and simple. And to me that is what matters. Not stupid "How You Doin' or A Cupa Haters" catchphrases. I had to deal with idiotic stuff like that on a daily basis 20 years by the mall rats on my UPS route at the Willowbrook Mall. It wasn't funny then and it's not funny now.
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