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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 8:32:57 GMT -5
you have to admit the wcw title was completely meaningless before he was given the title. At that point that title had lost so much prestige it's not even funny. After Goldberg lost to Nash at Starcade 98 the wcw title went downhill from there. I mean who can forget(but would really love to) the finger poke of doom? What about Flair winning it from Hogan at Uncensored 99 in a lame finish then losing it to DDP a month later? On one episode of Nitro DDP lost the title at 9 pm and won it back at 11 pm! Macho Man won it in a tag match and lost it one night later to Hogan. Goldberg won it from Sting at Havoc 99 and then was stripped a day later(forgot the reason) thus leading to that lame tournament. Then in early 2000 I think there was one episode of Thunder where Nash stripped Sid of the title declaring him the champion, but then Sid just won it back by the end of the night! So while Arquette winning it was the worst booking decision ever, did it even really matter at that point who was champion because of all the crap that happened to the title between Goldberg losing it and Arquette winning it? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 22, 2017 11:23:13 GMT -5
I never had an issue with Arquette being WCW Champion. Because it wasn't like he was wrestling each week all of a sudden and being dominant. He won the belt on a fluke, and didn't defend it until the PPV, here he didn't even really wrestle in the match. It got people talking about WCW at that time, and that's exactly what WCW wanted. So to me, it's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 11:46:53 GMT -5
Actually he defended the title against Tank Abbott lol. You have to be one of the very few fans who thought Arquette winning the title was a good idea, but this is not even about Arquette specifically. By the time he got the wcw title, it was pretty much worthless because of the booking decisions I mentioned. I just wanted to see if others agreed.
Vince Russo claims that when he asked the rest of the booking staff if it was a good idea to give Arquette the title and they said yes, but they were probably thinking "yeah sure whatever, the title means nothing anyway".
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Post by The Brain on Jun 22, 2017 19:09:10 GMT -5
The only positive to come from Arquette winning the belt was he gave his winnings to charity. Other than that he had no business being a World Champ or in a wrestling ring for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 19:16:07 GMT -5
The only positive to come from Arquette winning the belt was he gave his winnings to charity. Other than that he had no business being a World Champ or in a wrestling ring for that matter. Ok but would you agree BEFORE he won the belt it was a mere prop since the finger poke of doom? |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 22, 2017 19:26:06 GMT -5
The only positive to come from Arquette winning the belt was he gave his winnings to charity. Other than that he had no business being a World Champ or in a wrestling ring for that matter. Ok but would you agree BEFORE he won the belt it was a mere prop since the finger poke of doom? I don't like calling belts ''props'' but I will say the finger poke of doom really tarnished the World Title with Arquette winning it a year later just buried it further in my book.
I was happy though DDP got a run with it even though it was brief.
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Post by PJ on Jun 22, 2017 19:34:55 GMT -5
Honestly I didn't see the finger poke any different than Andre handing the title to the M$M. I felt what did the WCW more harm was Arquette and Russo competing for and winning it.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 22, 2017 19:46:03 GMT -5
Honestly I didn't see the finger poke any different than Andre handing the title to the M$M. I felt what did the WCW more harm was Arquette and Russo competing for and winning it. I always looked at the Andre handing over the belt to Dibiase thing as something that fit the storyline perfectly. Dibiase's whole goal was to be the World Champion so he had Andre fetch it for him so to speak. On top of it at least there was a match for the belt. With the finger poke of doom WCW actually built up this heated feud with Hogan and Nash after Hogan got Goldberg ''arrested'' and they fooled the fans by thinking they would have a competitive title match. The whole point of it was to pander to Hogan's ego and reform the NWO which was long past it's expiration date by that time.
I agree with Arquette and Russo winning the belt as you said.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 22, 2017 19:54:05 GMT -5
Honestly I didn't see the finger poke any different than Andre handing the title to the M$M. I felt what did the WCW more harm was Arquette and Russo competing for and winning it. I always looked at the Andre handing over the belt to Dibiase thing as something that fit the storyline perfectly. Dibiase's whole goal was to be the World Champion so he had Andre fetch it for him so to speak. On top of it at least there was a match for the belt. With the finger poke of doom WCW actually built up this heated feud with Hogan and Nash after Hogan got Goldberg ''arrested'' and they fooled the fans by thinking they would have a competitive title match. The whole point of it was to pander to Hogan's ego and reform the NWO which was long past it's expiration date by that time.
I agree with Arquette and Russo winning the belt as you said.
So much win here. Yes, the biggest difference is we actually got to see the advertised match for the WWF angle. Plus it was advertised well ahead of time that if Andre won, he would surrender the Title to DiBiase. WCW first advertised a Nash vs Goldberg rematch. That got replaced with Nash vs Hogan, which arguably people wanted to see more. And in the end, they got neither. They completely screwed the audience. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 22, 2017 20:26:47 GMT -5
Yes the Andre handing the belt to DiBiase fit the story and DiBiase's character of everyone had a price and he bought the championship. But with the NWO they were always screwing WCW and while there was no match I felt it was still something the NWO would do. So what I was saying is I didn't think either of those events tarnished either of their titles. But having two non wrestlers win the WCW title did major harm to not only the title, but the company as well.
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Post by K5 on Jun 23, 2017 0:07:01 GMT -5
i was 10 years old and liked ready to rumble and ddp...so i didn't mind it at all.
in retrospect, yeah, terrible stuff.
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Post by JC Motors on Jun 23, 2017 10:48:45 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason behind David Arquette winning the WCW title because of the fact he was in Ready 2 Rumble?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:03:38 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason behind David Arquette winning the WCW title because of the fact he was in Ready 2 Rumble? That's the reason I always assumed. Then I think the next week or so he bumped into his now ex wife while she was filming that Graceland (forget the full title) film. He bumped into Kurt Russell and he laughed at the fact that he was champ and told his wife that it was time to film their love scene. Such a cluster  . |
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Post by JC Motors on Jun 23, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason behind David Arquette winning the WCW title because of the fact he was in Ready 2 Rumble? That's the reason I always assumed. Then I think the next week or so he bumped into his now ex wife while she was filming that Graceland (forget the full title) film. He bumped into Kurt Russell and he laughed at the fact that he was champ and told his wife that it was time to film their love scene. Such a cluster . I mean it's the most logical reason to why Arquette would win the title. |
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Post by Zincdust on Jun 23, 2017 15:08:28 GMT -5
Here's the worst part of that angle that REALLY chafes my hide.
So, let's look at how Arquette WON the darned thing. He went into a tag match, partnered up with then-WCW Champ DDP, against Jeff Jarrett & Eric Bischoff. If I remember correctly, Bischoff had finagled the rules so that whomever got the fall would be awarded the championship (in an effort to get the title immediately back onto Jarrett). They figured Arquette would be easy pickings.
ANYWAY, Arquette gets the pin on Bischoff, and is awarded the championship. DDP, who just LOST the championship on this ridiculous technicality, was raising Arquette's hand in victory and celebrating with him, like "AWWW YEAH, THIS GUY JUST WON *MY* WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP"
Seriously, what the heck (pardon my language)?!?!?! DDP should have turned heel and DESTROYED this idiot!
Anyway, the absolute best way they could have got the title off of him in my opinion, is in his first "defense" have him put it up against Scott Steiner, who would have absolutely murdered him in less than a minute. THAT would have brought a shred of legitimacy back to the belt.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 23, 2017 15:29:12 GMT -5
As a kid I had no problem. Seems like most people who had the problem were workers that felt like it disrespected them or the business. Which the business is making money, and I own Ready to Rumble on DVD and went to Slamboree 2000. I think he did his job fine.
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Post by PJ on Jun 23, 2017 18:09:31 GMT -5
I don't care that Ready to Rumble was coming out. It was by far the stupidest move in professional wrestling to that date. Plus wasn't he the one in the movie who got a free slurpee by sticking his finger in his @$$ then held the cup with that hand to the clerk's nose saying smell the cup because it was bad? Yeah that is the guy you put the World Heavyweight Championship on!  That had to be that idiot Russo's moronic idea. Wasn't the reason behind David Arquette winning the WCW title because of the fact he was in Ready 2 Rumble? That's the reason I always assumed. Then I think the next week or so he bumped into his now ex wife while she was filming that Graceland (forget the full title) film. He bumped into Kurt Russell and he laughed at the fact that he was champ and told his wife that it was time to film their love scene. Such a cluster . He was is 3000 Miles to Graceland with them as well. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 23, 2017 19:04:08 GMT -5
The WCW World Title was no more irrelevant then than the WWE Title is now. For ever stupid thing WCW did in 99-00, WWE has done multiple times. I mean really, does it tarnish a title more to be won "accidentally" by an actor or to have a guy win it and not be seen for 6 months?
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 24, 2017 9:10:20 GMT -5
As horrible as it was it got people talking. I remember in school my class couldn't stop discussing it and that was the first they had talked about WCW in years.
I'm not trying to compare but the WWE played pass the parcel with it's World title in 1999 and in recent years part timers who rarely appear win the title and then take it home so they have done stupid things with their title too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:56:21 GMT -5
Another thing I forgot to mention in my original post. Remember when Bret Hart vacated the title on nitro because he didn't like that Goldberg was screwed at starcade 99. Later that night he wins the title back when Hall and Nash help him and reform the nwo. Makes no sense! Also the ONLY reason Jeff Jarrett was wcw champion was because he was Russo's friend. He won the title at Spring Stampede lost it to DDP a week later before Aruquette won the tag match.
A lot of you are giving your thoughts on David Arquette winning the belt, but that's not what I asked. My question was if you thought the wcw title was so devalued by the time they put it on Aruqette that in hindsight it doesn't really matter that it happened? The wcw title did not mean anything when Arquette got it. It was a meaningless belt because of the horrid booking decisions that started with the finger poke of doom. From Ric Flair winning it in 1991 until Goldberg lost it to Nash, it was a prestigious title. After the Finger poke of doom it was a prop that was passed around every little bit!
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