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Post by cmiller79 on Jul 24, 2017 11:42:37 GMT -5
Ever since he got the title jinder has done nothing but look and act like a champion
crap I don't even like jinder with the wwe title I wish he had the u.s title instead but jinder's title run was better then both of Daniel Bryan last two wwe title runs ,also better then cena's last wwe title run hell there are actually a few people jinder is having a better wwe title run than
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Post by J12 on Jul 24, 2017 11:50:06 GMT -5
And, again, we're talking apples to oranges here. Finn Balor was never a jobber. There is no viable comparison to be made with Jinder Mahal. This hasn't ever happened before, and for good reason. Even the JBL comparisons are ridiculous. JBL was an established mid-card guy who could cut a hell of a promo. In no way, shape or form am I comparing Jinder's ability to Finn. What I was comparing was the the trajectory that both superstars took on their respective brands. Finn did it in a night, Jinder did it in a week - and it was the booking, not even the guys themselves that influenced that. We revere Finn because he's from the Bullet Club and is an international sensation, and we criticize Jinder because he was the goof in 3MB and that group with Rusev and ADR. We also hate Jinder because the week before he damn near killed Finn with a forearm. With all that said, there's nothing Jinder can really do to redeem himself in your eyes. He's definitely not phoning it in, he's worked hard on his body, and there is a ton of room for improvement on his promo and wrestling. He shouldn't be learning-on-the-job like this, but that's how it's been booked. But I don't think he's ungrateful for this opportunity; he's trying to make the most of it. It will all be over when Cena dethrones him in SS. Then he's got a great little thing to take with him to autograph conventions when he's sitting next to lonely Virgil. I wasn't insinuating you were, merely stating Finn's in-ring ability is one of the (many) things that makes him more popular with most audiences. The initial comparison was made between Finn's meteoric rise and Jinder's. Wrestling ability aside, the biggest difference is that Finn was never a jobber. He was presented as a star in NXT, and that carried over to his first night on the main roster. That makes the two fundamentally different, hence the apples to oranges comment. I think a lot of people would have felt differently about the idea of giving Jinder a push had he not been presented as a jobber for years. I would still argue that he doesn't check any of the boxes necessary to be a viable main eventer in 2017, but I certainly would've at least been willing to give him a shot. It really wouldn't have been that challenging, either. He could've been picking up wins on Raw, and gotten the Andre the Giant Battle Royal win over Mojo (and they still could've done the Gronk spots.) The 180 degree turn was too much for him to overcome, and it doomed him from the start. By all accounts, Jinder seems like a motivated, respected guy in the locker room. He's in the right place at the right time, and I'm sure he's doing his best to live up to expectations and prove himself worthy of the spot. Sadly, I just don't think its working at any level.
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Post by winxclubflora on Jul 24, 2017 11:51:02 GMT -5
This Jinder experiment they've got going on needs to end. He's the worst WWE Champion ever. . You do know Vince McMahon held that title in 1999, right? And we shouldn't forget Paul Wight either...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 11:55:57 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior also had a crap reign, beating mid-carders like Rick Rude and getting the change to Sgt.Frickin Slaughter who was an awful transitional champion.
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Post by Supreme Cross on Jul 24, 2017 12:02:44 GMT -5
id rather have Jinder as champion then Randy Orton. Orton bores me and it gives new people an opportunity to be champion
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 24, 2017 12:08:08 GMT -5
I think a lot of people would have felt differently about the idea of giving Jinder a push had he not been presented as a jobber for years. I would still argue that he doesn't check any of the boxes necessary to be a viable main eventer in 2017, but I certainly would've at least been willing to give him a shot. It really wouldn't have been that challenging, either. He could've been picking up wins on Raw, and gotten the Andre the Giant Battle Royal win over Mojo (and they still could've done the Gronk spots.) The 180 degree turn was too much for him to overcome, and it doomed him from the start. By all accounts, Jinder seems like a motivated, respected guy in the locker room. He's in the right place at the right time, and I'm sure he's doing his best to live up to expectations and prove himself worthy of the spot. Sadly, I just don't think its working at any level. Well that I can definitely agree with. They've ended up doing nothing with Mojo, even reverted him back to the Hype Bros. Jinder should have won that battle royal and added some momentum to his push. It all screams of last-minute booking to me, no real plan for anyone. He definitely was in the right place at the right time, and dare I say the right ethnicity for their immediate needs. It's all convenient booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 12:48:09 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Cena stopping someone's push, but man I can't wait for Summerslam to be over and Cena winning Number 16. 17 brother. Cena beats the fake Flair record and defeat the evil India.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 24, 2017 12:55:13 GMT -5
This Jinder experiment they've got going on needs to end. He's the worst WWE Champion ever. . You do know Vince McMahon held that title in 1999, right? And we shouldn't forget Paul Wight either... Both were better and more entertaining. Jinder has No wrestling talent and is as charismatic as cardboard.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 24, 2017 13:10:58 GMT -5
I don't think Jinder is that horrible in the ring. He certainly looks like a champion. But I'm not a fan of how quickly the decided to push him. Have him win the ATGBR at WM. Let him score a victory over Mojo. Give him a win over Tye Dillinger. Eventually a win over Sami. Let him win the US title by cheating. Give him a chance to see how he does there first.
Once you decide if he can hang, then maybe give him a WWE championship run. Maybe have him use the MITB briefcase to win it. Give us a reason to be invested. By making him go from jobber to WWE champion prevents anyone from taking his reigns serious. His finisher is okay at best. His promos are improving. But those are the sort of things that should be worked out long before you become WWE champion.
Vince should have more respect for that title and his company to throw it on someone who is unproven just to sell a few more tickets. If the company respects that title and it's lineage, then the fans will too. Make it a joke or a prop, and that's how we'll view it. But what do I know?
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Post by hbkowns on Jul 24, 2017 13:11:26 GMT -5
Ehhhh he's not my cup of tea at all. He cuts the same promo every week, he wrestles a slow non-evolved style. He's pretty rubbish, so that means he would have been a huge star in the 80's. But as of now I think he'll serve as one as Vince's failed experiments.
Smackdown's main event scene will be pretty trash for months to come because Corbin is the next guy to get the strap, and he's not so great either. So yeah, you pretty much have to deal with those two guys for the rest of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 13:13:44 GMT -5
You do know Vince McMahon held that title in 1999, right? And we shouldn't forget Paul Wight either... Both were better and more entertaining. Jinder has No wrestling talent and is as charismatic as cardboard. Ok
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Post by Chip on Jul 24, 2017 13:34:35 GMT -5
quite frankly....i dont know why anybody actually expected anything different
this is the price that gets paid for these "shock" moments....stuff they do just to get people going "OMG i cant believe they did that!!!! that was so amazing!!!" and then the aftermath is everything settling in to exactly the way it was before, except now you have THE major world title on a JOBBER.
People seemed to forget that Jinder Mahal was an enhancement talent, a guy used to put other people over. A guy who was given a comedy gimmick his last time around, and lost almost 100 matches within 8 months. But because the WWE did something unexpected they get the free pass....now you go a few months ahead and the guy has cut the same promo every week, never wins his title matches "clean" and been in an utterly boring feud with Randy Orton that the highlights of which have been Orton beating up the 2 guys who are Jinder's cheerleaders.
You hotshot a guy to the main event as a heel, and then don't do anything interesting with him at all, you get what we have now.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jul 24, 2017 13:50:20 GMT -5
I'll be honestly, I don't find Jinder Mahal awful, but I don't find him enjoyable either. He's just incredibly "meh" in my eyes.
What I really am not a fan of though is the incredibly piss-poor writing that catapulted him from jobber to main eventer overnight. We all know wrestling is scripted. And that is precisely why the writing has to make sense. There has to be logic. There has been absolutely no logic to Jinder Mahal's rise. You can't have someone be a jobber for years and then suddenly give them an opportunity to become number one contender. That's like if they gave the Brooklyn Brawler a WWF Championship number one contender match in 1990. It would make absolutely no logical sense to hand him that opportunity, because his character is that of a loser.
It's just such frustratingly lazy writing that clearly hasn't had an ounce of thought gone into it. If they had built Jinder Mahal up over time, it would not be a problem at all. But because they couldn't be bothered to do that, it is a problem. Obviously what happened is Vince suddenly thought "hey, I'm gonna go after the India market again! Make someone who we can pass off as Indian the WWE Champion at the next PPV!".
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Post by J12 on Jul 24, 2017 13:53:10 GMT -5
quite frankly....i dont know why anybody actually expected anything different this is the price that gets paid for these "shock" moments....stuff they do just to get people going "OMG i cant believe they did that!!!! that was so amazing!!!" and then the aftermath is everything settling in to exactly the way it was before, except now you have THE major world title on a JOBBER. People seemed to forget that Jinder Mahal was an enhancement talent, a guy used to put other people over. A guy who was given a comedy gimmick his last time around, and lost almost 100 matches within 8 months. But because the WWE did something unexpected they get the free pass....now you go a few months ahead and the guy has cut the same promo every week, never wins his title matches "clean" and been in an utterly boring feud with Randy Orton that the highlights of which have been Orton beating up the 2 guys who are Jinder's cheerleaders. You hotshot a guy to the main event as a heel, and then don't do anything interesting with him at all, you get what we have now. That's the most amazing/sad part about these matches. You're hard pressed to find anyone who would call any of the three better than "adequate", and the single highlight has nothing to do with the match itself, but rather, Randy Orton nearly killing a Singh brother. Imagine how people would be viewing these matches if one, or both of the "little guys" (who aren't even in the match!) weren't taking potentially unsafe bumps. A big gimmick match that hasn't been around in ten years wasn't even enough to make Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton compelling. They still needed to go with a Singh spot.
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Post by Chip on Jul 24, 2017 13:59:31 GMT -5
quite frankly....i dont know why anybody actually expected anything different this is the price that gets paid for these "shock" moments....stuff they do just to get people going "OMG i cant believe they did that!!!! that was so amazing!!!" and then the aftermath is everything settling in to exactly the way it was before, except now you have THE major world title on a JOBBER. People seemed to forget that Jinder Mahal was an enhancement talent, a guy used to put other people over. A guy who was given a comedy gimmick his last time around, and lost almost 100 matches within 8 months. But because the WWE did something unexpected they get the free pass....now you go a few months ahead and the guy has cut the same promo every week, never wins his title matches "clean" and been in an utterly boring feud with Randy Orton that the highlights of which have been Orton beating up the 2 guys who are Jinder's cheerleaders. You hotshot a guy to the main event as a heel, and then don't do anything interesting with him at all, you get what we have now. That's the most amazing/sad part about these matches. You're hard pressed to find anyone who would call any of the three better than "adequate", and the single highlight has nothing to do with the match itself, but rather, Randy Orton nearly killing a Singh brother. Imagine how people would be viewing these matches if one, or both of the "little guys" (who aren't even in the match!) weren't taking potentially unsafe bumps. A big gimmick match that hasn't been around in ten years wasn't even enough to make Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton compelling. They still needed to go with a Singh spot. the fact that they haven't had Jinder win a title match without "help" says a LOT the fact they had to ing bring back The Great Khali says even more..........
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Post by J12 on Jul 24, 2017 14:06:45 GMT -5
That's the most amazing/sad part about these matches. You're hard pressed to find anyone who would call any of the three better than "adequate", and the single highlight has nothing to do with the match itself, but rather, Randy Orton nearly killing a Singh brother. Imagine how people would be viewing these matches if one, or both of the "little guys" (who aren't even in the match!) weren't taking potentially unsafe bumps. A big gimmick match that hasn't been around in ten years wasn't even enough to make Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton compelling. They still needed to go with a Singh spot. the fact that they haven't had Jinder win a title match without "help" says a LOT the fact they had to ing bring back The Great Khali says even more.......... I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. The dominant heel act on Smackdown is a jobber, who wins his matches with the help of the two dudes you forgot about in the Cruiserweight Classic, and the dancing giant who can barely walk. It's like a bad stable angle from an old Smackdown vs. Raw game is allowed to come to life because Vince wants to expand into India and thinks this is the logical way to do it. Of course, that entire premise is hugely flawed, but that's an entirely different conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:07:28 GMT -5
That's the most amazing/sad part about these matches. You're hard pressed to find anyone who would call any of the three better than "adequate", and the single highlight has nothing to do with the match itself, but rather, Randy Orton nearly killing a Singh brother. Imagine how people would be viewing these matches if one, or both of the "little guys" (who aren't even in the match!) weren't taking potentially unsafe bumps. A big gimmick match that hasn't been around in ten years wasn't even enough to make Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton compelling. They still needed to go with a Singh spot. the fact that they haven't had Jinder win a title match without "help" says a LOT the fact they had to ing bring back The Great Khali says even more.......... To play Devil's advocate on this, why is it OK and accepted that the Miz can do it? Some are even saying since he had that blow up on D Bry he's having a resurgence, which I don't see. My man Ellsworth interfered and he got suspended for 30 days, yet Jinder and Miz need help all. the. time. I totally agree with what you're saying, just adding some food for thought.
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Post by J12 on Jul 24, 2017 14:13:34 GMT -5
the fact that they haven't had Jinder win a title match without "help" says a LOT the fact they had to ing bring back The Great Khali says even more.......... To play Devil's advocate on this, why is it OK and accepted that the Miz can do it? Some are even saying since he had that blow up on D Bry he's having a resurgence, which I don't see. My man Ellsworth interfered and he got suspended for 30 days, yet Jinder and Miz need help all. the. time. I totally agree with what you're saying, just adding some food for thought. I think it's largely because of the position on the card, and their career trajectory prior to this point. Not only is Mahal getting help from the Singh Brothers in every match, he's doing so as WWE Champion and as a guy who was the roster's token jobber just a few months ago. Miz, on the other hand, has been an established act for years, and he's doing this in the mid-card. He was winning a lot of matches just recently before Axel & Dallas joined him, too. That should certainly count for something. I can only speak for myself, of course, but I have a much higher tolerance for constant heel shenanigans like this when they're occurring on the undercard, rather than the main event money matches.
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Post by DemonsWiLL on Jul 24, 2017 14:13:35 GMT -5
In no way, shape or form am I comparing Jinder's ability to Finn. What I was comparing was the the trajectory that both superstars took on their respective brands. Finn did it in a night, Jinder did it in a week - and it was the booking, not even the guys themselves that influenced that. We revere Finn because he's from the Bullet Club and is an international sensation, and we criticize Jinder because he was the goof in 3MB and that group with Rusev and ADR. We also hate Jinder because the week before he damn near killed Finn with a forearm. With all that said, there's nothing Jinder can really do to redeem himself in your eyes. He's definitely not phoning it in, he's worked hard on his body, and there is a ton of room for improvement on his promo and wrestling. He shouldn't be learning-on-the-job like this, but that's how it's been booked. But I don't think he's ungrateful for this opportunity; he's trying to make the most of it. It will all be over when Cena dethrones him in SS. Then he's got a great little thing to take with him to autograph conventions when he's sitting next to lonely Virgil. I wasn't insinuating you were, merely stating Finn's in-ring ability is one of the (many) things that makes him more popular with most audiences. The initial comparison was made between Finn's meteoric rise and Jinder's. Wrestling ability aside, the biggest difference is that Finn was never a jobber. He was presented as a star in NXT, and that carried over to his first night on the main roster. That makes the two fundamentally different, hence the apples to oranges comment. I think a lot of people would have felt differently about the idea of giving Jinder a push had he not been presented as a jobber for years. I would still argue that he doesn't check any of the boxes necessary to be a viable main eventer in 2017, but I certainly would've at least been willing to give him a shot. It really wouldn't have been that challenging, either. He could've been picking up wins on Raw, and gotten the Andre the Giant Battle Royal win over Mojo (and they still could've done the Gronk spots.) The 180 degree turn was too much for him to overcome, and it doomed him from the start. By all accounts, Jinder seems like a motivated, respected guy in the locker room. He's in the right place at the right time, and I'm sure he's doing his best to live up to expectations and prove himself worthy of the spot. Sadly, I just don't think its working at any level. Finn was already a made star outside of Wwe and was on top of NXT. That's why it was believable when he was pushed the first night he debuted on RAW. Jinder on the other hand was a jobber for; who knows how many years; and then right before he one the battle Royal. That's why everybody hated it. Him needing the Sihng brothers and now now Khali for the shock factor doesn't help him at all.
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Post by DemonsWiLL on Jul 24, 2017 14:16:38 GMT -5
To play Devil's advocate on this, why is it OK and accepted that the Miz can do it? Some are even saying since he had that blow up on D Bry he's having a resurgence, which I don't see. My man Ellsworth interfered and he got suspended for 30 days, yet Jinder and Miz need help all. the. time. I totally agree with what you're saying, just adding some food for thought. I think it's largely because of the position on the card, and their career trajectory prior to this point. Not only is Mahal getting help from the Singh Brothers in every match, he's doing so as WWE Champion and as a guy who was the roster's token jobber just a few months ago. Miz, on the other hand, has been an established act for years, and he's doing this in the mid-card. He was winning a lot of matches just recently before Axel & Dallas joined him, too. That should certainly count for something. I can only speak for myself, of course, but I have a much higher tolerance for constant heel shenanigans like this when they're occurring on the undercard, rather than the main event money matches. Yes. Just like how everybody was getting on Seth's case with authority interference and J&J
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