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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 13, 2017 23:15:13 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of people feel this way. Edge's first title reign, 3 weeks? I mean Edge never was guy who held the title super long. And I mean in my opinion Edge never really needed super long reign. Although 4-5 month reign would of be nice. But, 3 weeks?
Triple H/Cena at WM 22 wasn't that great. And I really don't think it was that big of a draw. I also am shocked that HHH/Cena II was planned for WrestleMania 23 *vomits* As noted Edge was politically held down by others in the back. But I really feel like the Edge and Cena feud could of went to WrestleMania 22 and still spanned till Unforgiven. I mean hell we could of tied Triple H into the WrestleMania main event and did what Backlash did. Or even have Edge cash in at Survivor Series and have Cena fight till the Rumble to get it back. I just find it a complete waste that Cena took back the belt after 3 weeks.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 14, 2017 0:14:27 GMT -5
I'll start off by saying I enjoyed the H-Cena match at 22. I like Triple H matches.
But I think Edge deserved to be in the main event. People were booing Cena already. He was a red hot heel had just cashed in. Edge was a fantastic heel.
I look back at WWE essentially coronating Cena all the time and especially at consecutive Mania's beating legends. Basically what they have done with Reigns. But oh well.
Edge was awesome and definitely deserved a good 8 month reign. He was a great enough heel that whenever he got beat he could've got a face over big time.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 14, 2017 14:17:47 GMT -5
Edge did not deserve to be in the main event at Wrestlemania 22. That was definitely set for Cena vs. Triple H and I was fine with it. I thought we got more out of Edge vs. Foley for Edge's career during that time frame anyhow, than if Edge held the belt from New Years Revolution to Wrestlemania 22 that year.
I think Edge winning and losing the belt in a 3 week span was okay. It gave him the gimmick still of being hungry for the WWE Title. That is what made Edge become a main event wrestler through late 2004, all through 2005 and into early 2006.
Edge should have been in the main event at Wrestlemania 23 though. Or at least something better than just a filler in the MITB ladder match. Hell, they should have had him win it again, instead of Mr. Injury... Kennedy winning it.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 14, 2017 14:30:06 GMT -5
Edge is head and shoulders more charismatic than Triple H, i think he makes for much better television. HHH is a more dynamic Harley Race, HHH can be a funny baby face.
I'm not HHH hater but Edge from 2005-2009 blows the doors off of his best work on the Mic or in the ring. When people say that Edge is John Cena's greatest rival, that's a pretty great place to be.
Graham, Piper, Rock, Edge are the best foils to the company cash cow baby face. HHH was great, but he's a tier below in terms of charisma.
With that rant out of the way.... boy did exhilaration go to dismay when that reign ended so quickly. There was no higher level for Edge to perform to, he hit a home run with the Matt Hardy and Fix Flair feuds, he'll throw in the Benoit and Kane feuds for God sakes. He was AMAZING. I'm an 80s to early 90s guy, but man I'm not stupid. Edge topped all of the great heels of the past with not only his promo work which is subjective, but who was working the Mic and having matches like that simultaneously like that?
Edge took a "wrestling isn't what it used to be" cynic like me and had me racing to the TV again.
Him and Cena should have went on all year, throw a few other guys into their angle but it would have worked. The chemistry was special, so many ways to go with their matches. Edge, RVD, Cena should have been the Raw main event scene until September with the TLC finish. From there I go for the ill fated HHH match.
I gotta get out of here, I could praise the Edge vs Cena stuff all day.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 14, 2017 14:32:41 GMT -5
Edge did not deserve to be in the main event at Wrestlemania 22. That was definitely set for Cena vs. Triple H and I was fine with it. I thought we got more out of Edge vs. Foley for Edge's career during that time frame anyhow, than if Edge held the belt from New Years Revolution to Wrestlemania 22 that year. I think Edge winning and losing the belt in a 3 week span was okay. It gave him the gimmick still of being hungry for the WWE Title. That is what made Edge become a main event wrestler through late 2004, all through 2005 and into early 2006. Edge should have been in the main event at Wrestlemania 23 though. Or at least something better than just a filler in the MITB ladder match. Hell, they should have had him win it again, instead of Mr. Injury... Kennedy winning it. I see your point on it. It did add a element to the character. I would of atleast had him cash in at Survivor Series and drop it by the Rumble. 3 weeks is just a big idk. Although the WM 23 point I totally agree with. I feel Edge winning the MTIB that year naturally would of been so much better.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 14, 2017 14:39:48 GMT -5
Edge is head and shoulders more charismatic than Triple H, i think he makes for much better television. HHH is a more dynamic Harley Race, HHH can be a funny baby face. I'm not HHH hater but Edge from 2005-2009 blows the doors off of his best work on the Mic or in the ring. When people say that Edge is John Cena's greatest rival, that's a pretty great place to be. Graham, Piper, Rock, Edge are the best foils to the company cash cow baby face. HHH was great, but he's a tier below in terms of charisma. With that rant out of the way.... boy did exhilaration go to dismay when that reign ended so quickly. There was no higher level for Edge to perform to, he hit a home run with the Matt Hardy and Fix Flair feuds, he'll throw in the Benoit and Kane feuds for God sakes. He was AMAZING. I'm an 80s to early 90s guy, but man I'm not stupid. Edge topped all of the great heels of the past with not only his promo work which is subjective, but who was working the Mic and having matches like that simultaneously like that? Edge took a "wrestling isn't what it used to be" cynic like me and had me racing to the TV again. Him and Cena should have went on all year, throw a few other guys into their angle but it would have worked. The chemistry was special, so many ways to go with their matches. Edge, RVD, Cena should have been the Raw main event scene until September with the TLC finish. From there I go for the ill fated HHH match. I gotta get out of here, I could praise the Edge vs Cena stuff all day. The Edge and Cena stuff is nothing but brilliance. Although I do prefer Edge/Undertaker just a little more. We could of done Edge cashes in at Survivor Series, retains at NTYR in a match with Cena. We can have Edge go over with some bs tatic. Cena's screwed outta the title scene, Ric Flair and Edge can go at at the Rumble in TLC. So we don't overhaul Edge/Cena just yet. Then a Goldrush tournament is done for WM 22 to face Edge for the title. Ric Flair is entered but, Edge says attacks Flair. Cena gets entered in his place Cena's gets another shot, ''against all odds'' wins the Goldrush. Cena goes over Edge at WrestleMania. Then this drives Edge nuts. We can tie in Triple H for Backlash, Cena goes over. Then we do a Elimination Chamber at Vengeance where Edge steals the title and everything goes as planned up to Unforgiven.
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Post by PJ on Aug 14, 2017 14:46:09 GMT -5
I liked Edge and I do feel he certainly has his place in professional wrestling history and was worthy of the HoF, but I do think Triple H was superior on the mic and I did/do like Triple H wrestling style more than Edge's. But like I said he does deserve all the accolades he has gotten. But for me I enjoyed him (and Christian) the best when they were working with Angle.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 14, 2017 14:53:59 GMT -5
Edge is head and shoulders more charismatic than Triple H, i think he makes for much better television. HHH is a more dynamic Harley Race, HHH can be a funny baby face. I'm not HHH hater but Edge from 2005-2009 blows the doors off of his best work on the Mic or in the ring. When people say that Edge is John Cena's greatest rival, that's a pretty great place to be. Graham, Piper, Rock, Edge are the best foils to the company cash cow baby face. HHH was great, but he's a tier below in terms of charisma. With that rant out of the way.... boy did exhilaration go to dismay when that reign ended so quickly. There was no higher level for Edge to perform to, he hit a home run with the Matt Hardy and Fix Flair feuds, he'll throw in the Benoit and Kane feuds for God sakes. He was AMAZING. I'm an 80s to early 90s guy, but man I'm not stupid. Edge topped all of the great heels of the past with not only his promo work which is subjective, but who was working the Mic and having matches like that simultaneously like that? Edge took a "wrestling isn't what it used to be" cynic like me and had me racing to the TV again. Him and Cena should have went on all year, throw a few other guys into their angle but it would have worked. The chemistry was special, so many ways to go with their matches. Edge, RVD, Cena should have been the Raw main event scene until September with the TLC finish. From there I go for the ill fated HHH match. I gotta get out of here, I could praise the Edge vs Cena stuff all day. The Edge and Cena stuff is nothing but brilliance. Although I do prefer Edge/Undertaker just a little more. We could of done Edge cashes in at Survivor Series, retains at NTYR in a match with Cena. We can have Edge go over with some bs tatic. Cena's screwed outta the title scene, Ric Flair and Edge can go at at the Rumble in TLC. So we don't overhaul Edge/Cena just yet. Then a Goldrush tournament is done for WM 22 to face Edge for the title. Ric Flair is entered but, Edge says attacks Flair. Cena gets entered in his place Cena's gets another shot, ''against all odds'' wins the Goldrush. Cena goes over Edge at WrestleMania. Then this drives Edge nuts. We can tie in Triple H for Backlash, Cena goes over. Then we do a Elimination Chamber at Vengeance where Edge steals the title and everything goes as planned up to Unforgiven. I would have Edge win the same night he did but beat Flair at the Rumble, Cena loses the Royal Rumble because of a Lita run in distraction. I like Cena winning the Gold Rush tournament and at Mania. I'd want a screwy finish at Mania though, something for Edge to whine about with some justification. Backlash is where I seemingly end the angle with a 2 out of 3 three falls match with Mick Foley as referee to keep it honest. Cena wins and Edge blames Foley. One Night Stand is Edge vs Cactus Jack in their Mania match and Cena vs RVD. Same matches and finished. Summer goes the same but with RVD involved until he loses the title. Summerslam and TLC happen the same way they did.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 14, 2017 14:57:57 GMT -5
I liked Edge and I do feel he certainly has his place in professional wrestling history and was worthy of the HoF, but I do think Triple H was superior on the mic and I did/do like Triple H wrestling style more than Edge's. But like I said he does deserve all the accolades he has gotten. But for me I enjoyed him (and Christian) the best when they were working with Angle. I think HHH is as articulate as anybody, but his slow monotone delivery as a heel was not as exciting as the Rated R Superstar character. Edge definitely played better to the 18-35 demo better imo. Edge to me is Roddy Piper with HHH being Harley Race. If you say Race is better I get it, don't agree, but I get it.
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Post by PJ on Aug 14, 2017 15:10:17 GMT -5
No I loved Piper. He is tied with Sting as my all-time favorite. But as far as Triple H and Edge go I feel Triple H's monotoned promos actually fit perfectly with his character's ring style. When he talked there was a barbaric edge to it that just fit him perfectly.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 14, 2017 16:26:44 GMT -5
Edge did not deserve to be in the main event at Wrestlemania 22. That was definitely set for Cena vs. Triple H and I was fine with it. I thought we got more out of Edge vs. Foley for Edge's career during that time frame anyhow, than if Edge held the belt from New Years Revolution to Wrestlemania 22 that year. I think Edge winning and losing the belt in a 3 week span was okay. It gave him the gimmick still of being hungry for the WWE Title. That is what made Edge become a main event wrestler through late 2004, all through 2005 and into early 2006. Edge should have been in the main event at Wrestlemania 23 though. Or at least something better than just a filler in the MITB ladder match. Hell, they should have had him win it again, instead of Mr. Injury... Kennedy winning it. I see your point on it. It did add a element to the character. I would of atleast had him cash in at Survivor Series and drop it by the Rumble. 3 weeks is just a big idk. Although the WM 23 point I totally agree with. I feel Edge winning the MTIB that year naturally would of been so much better. Edge was injured at Survivor Series 2005. I think he did a Cutting Edge interview show, but he was definitely injured. There was talk about it being something that would end his career perhaps at the time. Something about his chest trying to cave in and such. At least that's what I remember hearing. This may be why Edge never lifted weights really after that. He kind of let himself go and became just a dude with no muscle mass from 2006 until he retired.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 14, 2017 18:48:08 GMT -5
I see your point on it. It did add a element to the character. I would of atleast had him cash in at Survivor Series and drop it by the Rumble. 3 weeks is just a big idk. Although the WM 23 point I totally agree with. I feel Edge winning the MTIB that year naturally would of been so much better. Edge was injured at Survivor Series 2005. I think he did a Cutting Edge interview show, but he was definitely injured. There was talk about it being something that would end his career perhaps at the time. Something about his chest trying to cave in and such. At least that's what I remember hearing. This may be why Edge never lifted weights really after that. He kind of let himself go and became just a dude with no muscle mass from 2006 until he retired. I mean Edge putting on some tights and spearing Cena wouldn't be to harmful? Then just do slow burn, keep Edge out of action but keep him heavily into segments? I do know he was hurt to the end of 05. But I didn't know that. But that makes sense. Edge in like 2001 was super shredded, then in 04 he looked really bulky but still built. But honestly I never found Edge's build bad. You can tell hes in shape and hes big guy but he's not like once of Vince's super built guys. Even look at Triple H's build in 2006, that guy did let himself slip.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 14, 2017 18:50:58 GMT -5
The Edge and Cena stuff is nothing but brilliance. Although I do prefer Edge/Undertaker just a little more. We could of done Edge cashes in at Survivor Series, retains at NTYR in a match with Cena. We can have Edge go over with some bs tatic. Cena's screwed outta the title scene, Ric Flair and Edge can go at at the Rumble in TLC. So we don't overhaul Edge/Cena just yet. Then a Goldrush tournament is done for WM 22 to face Edge for the title. Ric Flair is entered but, Edge says attacks Flair. Cena gets entered in his place Cena's gets another shot, ''against all odds'' wins the Goldrush. Cena goes over Edge at WrestleMania. Then this drives Edge nuts. We can tie in Triple H for Backlash, Cena goes over. Then we do a Elimination Chamber at Vengeance where Edge steals the title and everything goes as planned up to Unforgiven. I would have Edge win the same night he did but beat Flair at the Rumble, Cena loses the Royal Rumble because of a Lita run in distraction. I like Cena winning the Gold Rush tournament and at Mania. I'd want a screwy finish at Mania though, something for Edge to whine about with some justification. Backlash is where I seemingly end the angle with a 2 out of 3 three falls match with Mick Foley as referee to keep it honest. Cena wins and Edge blames Foley. One Night Stand is Edge vs Cactus Jack in their Mania match and Cena vs RVD. Same matches and finished. Summer goes the same but with RVD involved until he loses the title. Summerslam and TLC happen the same way they did. I actually really like that idea. That sounds pretty damn good.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 19, 2017 1:17:16 GMT -5
Edge did not deserve to be in the main event at Wrestlemania 22. That was definitely set for Cena vs. Triple H and I was fine with it. I thought we got more out of Edge vs. Foley for Edge's career during that time frame anyhow, than if Edge held the belt from New Years Revolution to Wrestlemania 22 that year. I think Edge winning and losing the belt in a 3 week span was okay. It gave him the gimmick still of being hungry for the WWE Title. That is what made Edge become a main event wrestler through late 2004, all through 2005 and into early 2006. Edge should have been in the main event at Wrestlemania 23 though. Or at least something better than just a filler in the MITB ladder match. Hell, they should have had him win it again, instead of Mr. Injury... Kennedy winning it. I see your point on it. It did add a element to the character. I would of atleast had him cash in at Survivor Series and drop it by the Rumble. 3 weeks is just a big idk. Although the WM 23 point I totally agree with. I feel Edge winning the MTIB that year naturally would of been so much better. I have to disagree with this only because I think cashing in after the Elimination Chamber after New Years Revolution sparked the unpredictability factor that the Money In The Bank contract could be cashed ANYTIME at all. On topic though, at the time I was irritated that his first reign was so short because Edge was one of my favourites (and we share the same nickname lol) but I think everything went the way it was supposed to be because Edge/Foley at WrestleMania 22 was amazing and so was Triple H/John Cena but mainly because of the fans. I'll never forget when Jeff Jarrett said to Christian on TNA Impact that he'd make him a transitional champion like his "brother" around that time too, that was pretty cool.
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