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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 23, 2017 22:23:10 GMT -5
The irony of Sid ing Viscous looking at someone and thinking that they aren't money is almost too much for me to handle.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 23, 2017 22:27:45 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is a Royal Rumble winner, a 3 time WWE Champion and main evented WrestleMania's 31, 32 and 33. So yes. Roman Reigns is light years ahead of Kevin Owens. You know that those aren't real accomplishments, right? He didn't actually win anything. The Miz has headlined WrestleMania too, does that make him better than Kevin Owens too?
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Post by Brad on Aug 23, 2017 22:42:40 GMT -5
Does anyone care what has been wwe superstars say anymore? like off. Nice respect there for guys who provided us entertainment in the past.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 23, 2017 23:07:16 GMT -5
Sid only appeared at two Wrestlemania events. He headlined both. The only title he ever held in the WWF was the World Title...twice. He is one of only four men to main event both Wrestlemania and Starrcade. He is very handy with squeegees, scissors, and microphones. The man knows something.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 23, 2017 23:30:39 GMT -5
I mean this with all due respect to Sid, but... okay. We all have our opinion. His is more educated than ours, but that doesn't make it fact. That's not a knock on Roman or Owens. Both are very talented IMO. But when it comes to wrestling, there is no definitive answers.
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Post by Angel Beast on Aug 23, 2017 23:37:22 GMT -5
He's not wrong the Reigns looks credible and looks good. But I'm sorry Reigns is not that good on the mic. He's slightly above Lance Storm but below Ellsworth in terms of personality and confidence on the mic.
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 24, 2017 0:01:31 GMT -5
While it's a respectable opinion, it's wrong. While Roman isn't bad at all in the ring, he can't touch Owens on the following: Mic work In-ring skills Charisma Character The only thing that Reigns has on Owens is "The look". Which is still a thing in 2017. But yeah while Reigns is coming around in the ring, he's still has the personality of a ham sandwich. What's the best promo he cut? When has he captivated the audience with his verbiage? The guy has 0% personality, charisma, and identity. The only thing saving him is his in in-ring skills. To be fair, that promo on Raw the night after Wrestlemania where he stood in the ring for like well over 10 minutes, maybe even 15 minutes, and let the fans boo him and chant horrible things to him that entire time, just to say, "It's my yard now!" and walk away was probably more character and charisma than Kevin Owens could ever pull off in a ring with the fans. And I am not a hater on Owens, just Owens comes off at times as just mouthy. All he does is yap in the ring, where has Reigns didn't have to say anything to get a reaction. Not really considered a promo, he said about 5 words and walked off. He didn't captivate or have the audience in his hands, it was just pure disdain for this guy on behalf of the audience. Nothing charismatic about it.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Aug 24, 2017 6:20:05 GMT -5
I'd say Roman is probably the best heel on the raw roster, the problem is he's supposed to be a face...
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Post by blissfan4life on Aug 24, 2017 6:43:59 GMT -5
Does anyone care what has been wwe superstars say anymore? like off. Nice respect there for guys who provided us entertainment in the past. keyword being past. Guy is stuck in Vince's 80's-90's mindset when the wrestling world has long surpassed that. Yeah Sure Owens may not have the typical "wrestler" look, but he's still better in all aspects than Reigns.
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Post by mutafan on Aug 24, 2017 6:46:18 GMT -5
why is anyone listening to this idiot a softball player who has missed wrestling events for softball games before and who has stabbed another wrestler in a argument because of alcohol and a temper. the man himself can not wrestle was another guy Vince had a hard on for big and muscular. big boot choke slam power bomb so 4 or five moves WOW sounds like roman reigns yup he would like him, Kevin Owen may be a fat guy in t-shirts but he has done more in matches than either Sid to Reigns will Ever go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 6:57:33 GMT -5
Comparisons.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 24, 2017 10:03:56 GMT -5
I mean this with all due respect to Sid, but... okay. We all have our opinion. His is more educated than ours Is it though? I think there's a very good chance that Sid has no idea what city he's currently in.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 24, 2017 10:59:40 GMT -5
I'm not really somebody who really listens to the old timers and takes there word as gospel, but he's right.
The essence of what he's talking about is mass appeal. The type of mass appeal that John Cena has, Hulk Hogan had, and The Rock transcended to Hollywood with.
Kevin Owens is very far removed from that. The issue with pro wrestling right now is that the louded majority of it's fans are the IWC, which do more harm than good if we're really being honest with ourselves. Forums like this become a big circle jerk where fans from across the world are telling each other that these guys who look like average joes ( no disrespect to their talent) are '' money''. Yea what type of money? SCSA money? This is the WWE, the goal is to create television superstars, household names, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn won't ever sniff that.
You can't view success in a vacuum, it is what it is. You can pretend that wrestling has evolved and the little guys with high workrates are where it's at now, but look at the ratings etc., mass America isn't agreeing with you. These guys will never lead wrestling to a boom period.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 24, 2017 11:13:16 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is a Royal Rumble winner, a 3 time WWE Champion and main evented WrestleMania's 31, 32 and 33. So yes. Roman Reigns is light years ahead of Kevin Owens. You know that those aren't real accomplishments, right? He didn't actually win anything. The Miz has headlined WrestleMania too, does that make him better than Kevin Owens too? In the context of the television show, yes...yes it does. It is funny how so many people take wrestling seriously, but as soon as someone has a different viewpoint with valid reasoning they are the first to bust out the "you know it is all fake right?"
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Post by blissfan4life on Aug 24, 2017 11:26:58 GMT -5
I'm not really somebody who really listens to the old timers and takes there word as gospel, but he's right. The essence of what he's talking about is mass appeal. The type of mass appeal that John Cena has, Hulk Hogan had, and The Rock transcended to Hollywood with. Kevin Owens is very far removed from that. The issue with pro wrestling right now is that the louded majority of it's fans are the IWC, which do more harm than good if we're really being honest with ourselves. Forums like this become a big circle jerk where fans from across the world are telling each other that these guys who look like average joes ( no disrespect to their talent) are '' money''. Yea what type of money? SCSA money? This is the WWE, the goal is to create television superstars, household names, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn won't ever sniff that. You can't view success in a vacuum, it is what it is. You can pretend that wrestling has evolved and the little guys with high workrates are where it's at now, but look at the ratings etc., mass America isn't agreeing with you. These guys will never lead wrestling to a boom period. I don't agree, I think Owens can become a household name and a money player. Hell he's got all the tools already, they just need to pull the trigger.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 24, 2017 11:33:21 GMT -5
I'm not really somebody who really listens to the old timers and takes there word as gospel, but he's right. The essence of what he's talking about is mass appeal. The type of mass appeal that John Cena has, Hulk Hogan had, and The Rock transcended to Hollywood with. Kevin Owens is very far removed from that. The issue with pro wrestling right now is that the louded majority of it's fans are the IWC, which do more harm than good if we're really being honest with ourselves. Forums like this become a big circle jerk where fans from across the world are telling each other that these guys who look like average joes ( no disrespect to their talent) are '' money''. Yea what type of money? SCSA money? This is the WWE, the goal is to create television superstars, household names, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn won't ever sniff that. You can't view success in a vacuum, it is what it is. You can pretend that wrestling has evolved and the little guys with high workrates are where it's at now, but look at the ratings etc., mass America isn't agreeing with you. These guys will never lead wrestling to a boom period. I don't agree, I think Owens can become a household name and a money player. Hell he's got all the tools already, they just need to pull the trigger. You are too open minded about how that works imo. Mass America always goes for the smoother- better looking package. Roman Reigns stands a much better chance at becoming a star with that audience. I'm not saying you have to have the body, CM Punk was built like Roddy Piper, but notice how he had the charisma too? That dude could have been a star in any era, Owens no way.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 24, 2017 11:44:51 GMT -5
I'm not really somebody who really listens to the old timers and takes there word as gospel, but he's right. The essence of what he's talking about is mass appeal. The type of mass appeal that John Cena has, Hulk Hogan had, and The Rock transcended to Hollywood with. Kevin Owens is very far removed from that. The issue with pro wrestling right now is that the louded majority of it's fans are the IWC, which do more harm than good if we're really being honest with ourselves. Forums like this become a big circle jerk where fans from across the world are telling each other that these guys who look like average joes ( no disrespect to their talent) are '' money''. Yea what type of money? SCSA money? This is the WWE, the goal is to create television superstars, household names, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn won't ever sniff that. You can't view success in a vacuum, it is what it is. You can pretend that wrestling has evolved and the little guys with high workrates are where it's at now, but look at the ratings etc., mass America isn't agreeing with you. These guys will never lead wrestling to a boom period. Well stated post.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 24, 2017 11:48:30 GMT -5
I will not take someone who did something as stupid as this seriously... Sid was actually vehemently against that spot. He even said that it could end very badly. It was whoever was in charge that thought it was a good idea and pushed for it.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 24, 2017 11:54:16 GMT -5
I mean this with all due respect to Sid, but... okay. We all have our opinion. His is more educated than ours Is it though? I think there's a very good chance that Sid has no idea what city he's currently in. Maybe? I just mean he's actually been in the business. He's actually main event a WM. So while his opinion doesn't mean much more than any of ours, it does hold SOME merit.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 24, 2017 12:14:45 GMT -5
Nice respect there for guys who provided us entertainment in the past. keyword being past. Guy is stuck in Vince's 80's-90's mindset when the wrestling world has long surpassed that. Yeah Sure Owens may not have the typical "wrestler" look, but he's still better in all aspects than Reigns. Do you know who else is stuck in Vince's 80's-90's mindset? Vince McMahon.
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