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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 24, 2017 19:30:12 GMT -5
You know that those aren't real accomplishments, right? He didn't actually win anything. The Miz has headlined WrestleMania too, does that make him better than Kevin Owens too? In the context of the television show, yes...yes it does. It is funny how so many people take wrestling seriously, but as soon as someone has a different viewpoint with valid reasoning they are the first to bust out the "you know it is all fake right?" No, it doesn't. Being BOOKED to become world champion does not make one wrestler better than any other in and of itself. Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts were never WWE world champion. And if memory serves correct, Jake never headlined WM. So the Miz is better than them too? Nope.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 24, 2017 20:45:20 GMT -5
In the context of the television show, yes...yes it does. It is funny how so many people take wrestling seriously, but as soon as someone has a different viewpoint with valid reasoning they are the first to bust out the "you know it is all fake right?" No, it doesn't. Being BOOKED to become world champion does not make one wrestler better than any other in and of itself. Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts were never WWE world champion. And if memory serves correct, Jake never headlined WM. So the Miz is better than them too? Nope. It is two different eras. Original comparison was between two current stars. Wrestling business is completely different than it was back then.
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Post by Chip on Aug 24, 2017 21:04:47 GMT -5
Sid comes from a different era. Sid is also a guy who was pushed as World Champ because of his size. It all makes sense. He's not gonna look at a guy like Owens and gush. He's from the era of large bodied 'freaks of nature"....The wrestling business has evolved, mostly, except for a select few that are still stuck on the idea that you can only sell out arenas if you're putting big hulking muscle men out there.
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Post by Truth HuRts on Aug 25, 2017 7:11:28 GMT -5
Comes from the same guy that once said "I DON'T HAVE HALF THE BRAIN, THAT YOU DO!" His words lol
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Post by hbkfan on Aug 25, 2017 8:50:40 GMT -5
Sid comes from a different era. Sid is also a guy who was pushed as World Champ because of his size. It all makes sense. He's not gonna look at a guy like Owens and gush. He's from the era of large bodied 'freaks of nature"....The wrestling business has evolved, mostly, except for a select few that are still stuck on the idea that you can only sell out arenas if you're putting big hulking muscle men out there. The issue, as I see it is, the business as a whole was designed around the idea of these "larger-than-life" characters battle to get an ultimate prize in which this case wold be the world championship. During the Hogan era, Vince chose to put Hogan as his workhorse and I dont think a lot of people complained too much about that (unless you were a mid card talent who is looking for career advance). Since then, a lot of water has passed under that bridge (steroid scandals, attitude era, NWO, Monday Night Wars, PG, pipe bombs, a YES movement, etc.) which proved some people that stereotypes are not logic all the time. Now, the following comment comes from a 5,10" 200 pounds guy, but I dont buy a fat guy like Owens with all his mic (which I dont find entertained at all, as he ties hard, but he is not better than say the Miz at doing it) as a world champion. And dont find him entertained as a heel either. I would put the guy through some training program to make him look like a proper world champion, because as bad as you can see my comment I dont think the guy is a missed case. What Sid said, I see some logic very deep inside, Im not the biggest Roman supporter, but if you put me choose either one, I would put my money on Reigns.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Aug 25, 2017 12:22:31 GMT -5
Generally I'm of the opinion that the guys in the business generally know at least something of what they're talking about.
But Yakamora...
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Post by blissfan4life on Aug 25, 2017 13:20:43 GMT -5
Sid comes from a different era. Sid is also a guy who was pushed as World Champ because of his size. It all makes sense. He's not gonna look at a guy like Owens and gush. He's from the era of large bodied 'freaks of nature"....The wrestling business has evolved, mostly, except for a select few that are still stuck on the idea that you can only sell out arenas if you're putting big hulking muscle men out there. The issue, as I see it is, the business as a whole was designed around the idea of these "larger-than-life" characters battle to get an ultimate prize in which this case wold be the world championship. During the Hogan era, Vince chose to put Hogan as his workhorse and I dont think a lot of people complained too much about that (unless you were a mid card talent who is looking for career advance). Since then, a lot of water has passed under that bridge (steroid scandals, attitude era, NWO, Monday Night Wars, PG, pipe bombs, a YES movement, etc.) which proved some people that stereotypes are not logic all the time. Now, the following comment comes from a 5,10" 200 pounds guy, but I dont buy a fat guy like Owens with all his mic (which I dont find entertained at all, as he ties hard, but he is not better than say the Miz at doing it) as a world champion. And dont find him entertained as a heel either. I would put the guy through some training program to make him look like a proper world champion, because as bad as you can see my comment I dont think the guy is a missed case. What Sid said, I see some logic very deep inside, Im not the biggest Roman supporter, but if you put me choose either one, I would put my money on Reigns. Owens doesn't need anything other than a chance to be the top guy.
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Post by J12 on Aug 25, 2017 14:50:36 GMT -5
I'm not really somebody who really listens to the old timers and takes there word as gospel, but he's right. The essence of what he's talking about is mass appeal. The type of mass appeal that John Cena has, Hulk Hogan had, and The Rock transcended to Hollywood with. Kevin Owens is very far removed from that. The issue with pro wrestling right now is that the louded majority of it's fans are the IWC, which do more harm than good if we're really being honest with ourselves. Forums like this become a big circle jerk where fans from across the world are telling each other that these guys who look like average joes ( no disrespect to their talent) are '' money''. Yea what type of money? SCSA money? This is the WWE, the goal is to create television superstars, household names, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn won't ever sniff that. You can't view success in a vacuum, it is what it is. You can pretend that wrestling has evolved and the little guys with high workrates are where it's at now, but look at the ratings etc., mass America isn't agreeing with you. These guys will never lead wrestling to a boom period. This is all perfectly fair, except that Roman Reigns doesn't have mass appeal either, at least not at the level they'd like their top star to have. That's sort of the problem here, Roman Reigns certainly isn't going to lead wrestling to another boom period. In fact, he's doing just the opposite. In the same way Kevin Owens is far removed from that category to Roman Reigns, Roman Reigns is far removed from Austin, Hogan, and, Rock, and Cena. We're in a weird time period where wrestling is more popular than its ever been with the core base of hardcore fans, but less popular with the general public than its been in decades. More culturally accepted, undoubtedly, but still less popular. I agree with your assessment of Sid's comments, but I think there's validity in questioning how much he really knows about where wrestling is at when he can't even get guy's names right.
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Post by hbkfan on Aug 25, 2017 16:37:34 GMT -5
The issue, as I see it is, the business as a whole was designed around the idea of these "larger-than-life" characters battle to get an ultimate prize in which this case wold be the world championship. During the Hogan era, Vince chose to put Hogan as his workhorse and I dont think a lot of people complained too much about that (unless you were a mid card talent who is looking for career advance). Since then, a lot of water has passed under that bridge (steroid scandals, attitude era, NWO, Monday Night Wars, PG, pipe bombs, a YES movement, etc.) which proved some people that stereotypes are not logic all the time. Now, the following comment comes from a 5,10" 200 pounds guy, but I dont buy a fat guy like Owens with all his mic (which I dont find entertained at all, as he ties hard, but he is not better than say the Miz at doing it) as a world champion. And dont find him entertained as a heel either. I would put the guy through some training program to make him look like a proper world champion, because as bad as you can see my comment I dont think the guy is a missed case. What Sid said, I see some logic very deep inside, Im not the biggest Roman supporter, but if you put me choose either one, I would put my money on Reigns. Owens doesn't need anything other than a chance to be the top guy. If he couldnt show something with 1 IC run, 1 USA run and 1 Universal Run, I dont see what kind of chance he needs.
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