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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 1:08:35 GMT -5
Loved AJ v Brock. AJ looked great in there and went toe to toe. He’s a made man, not that he wasn’t anyways.
And if you ever thought that Brock was gonna lose on the road to Romania, maybe you should probably take a look at your fandom.
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Post by ARUN on Nov 20, 2017 1:13:42 GMT -5
What I liked- Alexa/ Charlotte, new day/usos and seeing HHh and Nakamura face off.
What I didn't like- ending to the main event, KO on the pre show, and Alicia Fox's Hat.
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Post by A-Rob on Nov 20, 2017 3:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 20, 2017 4:05:14 GMT -5
AJ vs Brock was the best thing on the entire show.
The main event started hot, but it totally soured on me towards the end. Shane, Hunter, nor Angle should have had any business lasting that long. You could even see the crowd was dead until Braun kicked Triple H’s ass. Inflated egos killed that main event. Typical stuff.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Nov 20, 2017 7:00:05 GMT -5
With all the long drawn out confusing pauses in the main event it’s obvious the guys forgot several spots and had to be reminded by the ref. That stuff killed the match. Nothing feels special in wwe anymore, everyone is just going through the motions. When a crowd is that dead during a match with every top star in it you know you’re doing something wrong.
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 20, 2017 8:30:03 GMT -5
I caught the last few matches! This was the first live wwe event I've seen in years. I started watching at the end of the Flair/Bliss match. I'll share my thoughts here, if you disagree please don't take it personally.
Flair/Bliss thoughts
Both ladies have good bodies, Flair is not much in the looks department. I couldnt really care less about the actual wrestling here. Waiting to see what's next.
Brock/Styles
What a miss match. I miss the days where a guy with the size of styles would have jobbed immediately to Brock. Pretty boring match when it's just Brock smashing a much smaller man. Styles can flip around pretty good. And no surprise Brock wins. So who's title is more prestigious? Was this a unification match?
Team Raw/Team SD
Why is this the main event and not the previous match with the champions? Remember WM with Rock and Hogan? Remember how hot the crowd was for Hogan and Rock? And then after Jericho and HHH went on last because they were in the championship match, because the champ always goes on last? I guess HHH just goes on last when he's on the card?
I really hate that one brand has to trash talk the other, you're the same company! Why not just be the best vs the best? As a kid I never thought Hogan was far better than Flair, I just wondered who would win because they were both the best in their company.
As I watched the teams form I thought for sure Raw was winning because they had Kurt and HHH. Then SD came out and Shane plus Cena so I thought team SD would win for sure.
I hate that they're wrestling in tshirts, it makes it seem so backyard wrestling.
I finally get to see Finn and Nakamura wrestle..... and im not impressed, maybe because the spotlight wasnt really on them? Finn's finisher is jumping on your gut? Andre would stand on people and that never got a pin, and Andre was wrestling bigger dudes and weighed a lot more than Finn.
HHH looks old and out of place in there with Finn, Roode, Nakamura, and Braun. Shane looks like he really shouldnt be there but he's the bosses son........ so this ppv which is a job to those wrestlers has become a playground for shane to live out a fantasy of his.
With all the legit wrestlers in this match the end sees Shane trying to beat World Champions. It was sad seeing him trying to pin Kurt. Idk if it was sadder to see his weak attempts or to see Kurt have to put him over.
Then the finish...... what a cluster fudge. Why did they feel the need to put HHH over? Is he the companys hot new prospect? They had so many possibilities here and they went with the one that no one wanted. No one except HHH.
In conclusion, this was not an enjoyable PPV. This didnt make me want to keep watching. Also why was there 6 commentators?
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Post by JL24FPS on Nov 20, 2017 8:54:01 GMT -5
Garbage ending to a really great and exciting PPV.
The entire card was great, with the exception of the fumbles in the Women's 5-on-5 Match, and the main event. Whoever put those matches together must not watch the current product. Eliminating Becky first? What!? And then the first FOUR ELIMINATIONS were Nakamura, Bobby Roode, Finn Balor and Samoa Joe!? Ugh. Terrible.
MOTN is either Styles/Lesnar or Shield/New Day.
Those guys busted their asses.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 20, 2017 9:16:19 GMT -5
I miss the days where a guy with the size of styles would have jobbed immediately to Brock. Dude, really? AJ is the best wrestler of a generation, one of the best of all time imo and you're disappointed he wasn't squashed because of his size? |
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 20, 2017 9:23:52 GMT -5
I miss the days where a guy with the size of styles would have jobbed immediately to Brock. Dude, really? AJ is the best wrestler of a generation, one of the best of all time imo and you're disappointed he wasn't squashed because of his size? What are you talking about? He WAS squashed. I was disappointed that the match was made to begin with. AJ might be a great wrestler but it take two to dance. Aj and Brock's styles didnt seem to match to me. AJ was flipping and jumping around and Brock was slow and all power. Maybe Brock couldnt keep up? He looked very winded at the end. The point is guys can be great wrestlers but it doesnt mean they should be pushed to the top. Iron Mike Sharpe, Barry Horrowitz, Brooklyn Brawler, all great wrestlers. They did great jobs, but they werent pushed. Im not saying Aj should be jobbed out like the aforementioned but he also shouldnt be at the top. I see him in a Tito Santana Role. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 20, 2017 9:33:46 GMT -5
I’m really curious what they’ll do in 5-10 years from now when guys like HHH, Angle and Shane are nearing 60 and the only “legends” that they can rely on will be Cena and Orton who will both be at or near 50.
Who will they rely on then? They can’t rely on these stars from the 90s and early 00s forever. This is gonna eventually bite them in the a**.
Though knowing this company they probably think Roman will successfully lead them for the next 15-20 years after he - spoiler - kicks out of the F5 and dethrones Brock.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 20, 2017 10:01:25 GMT -5
Nakamura and Roode didn’t get that. They both were booked like geeks by posing in front of HHH and getting hit in the face (Roode looked like a bigger idiot by doing it after Nakamura made the mistake first). I asked last night and didn't get an answer, but don't Nakamura & Roode BOTH pose often during matches? I seem to recall it happening in every match they've both had recently. Or let me guess, if it had been anyone else from RAW hitting them, it have been okay? |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 20, 2017 10:03:40 GMT -5
There's also a video of Triple H getting to his feet, trying to pose, and passing out. Funny stuff. But it's a twitter thing that I can't post. Look for it.
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Post by @brit_figs on Nov 20, 2017 10:13:00 GMT -5
A great show ruined by an awful main event.
Kurt is dead weight, his limbs are so stiff.
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Nov 20, 2017 10:19:04 GMT -5
A lot of people were saying that this year's Survivor Series had a Wrestlemania-quality card. Well, nothing defines a Vince McMahon Mania quite like his full-time stars being overshadowed and pushed outta the way for any part-time talent and McMahon possible.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 20, 2017 10:33:23 GMT -5
Nakamura and Roode didn’t get that. They both were booked like geeks by posing in front of HHH and getting hit in the face (Roode looked like a bigger idiot by doing it after Nakamura made the mistake first). I asked last night and didn't get an answer, but don't Nakamura & Roode BOTH pose often during matches? I seem to recall it happening in every match they've both had recently. Or let me guess, if it had been anyone else from RAW hitting them, it have been okay? They do, but they’re in their against HHH. Plus Roode saw it fail when Nakamura did it just minutes earlier. Why book him like an idiot by doing the exact same thing? And I’d be saying the same damn thing if they pulled that crap against anyone from the Raw team (gotta lay off the HHH-defense thing cause he is a troll in the end). Nobody can claim that Naka and Roode look better after going through this match. Heck they look worse IMO with the way they were booked like they couldn’t hang with the rest of em. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 20, 2017 10:48:51 GMT -5
Did anybody else just want to shove glass in their eyes every time Michael Cole called Nakamura "Shin".
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Post by marino13 on Nov 20, 2017 10:49:39 GMT -5
I asked last night and didn't get an answer, but don't Nakamura & Roode BOTH pose often during matches? I seem to recall it happening in every match they've both had recently. Or let me guess, if it had been anyone else from RAW hitting them, it have been okay? They do, but they’re in their against HHH. Plus Roode saw it fail when Nakamura did it just minutes earlier. Why book him like an idiot by doing the exact same thing? And I’d be saying the same damn thing if they pulled that crap against anyone from the Raw team (gotta lay off the HHH-defense thing cause he is a troll in the end). Nobody can claim that Naka and Roode look better after going through this match. Heck they look worse IMO with the way they were booked like they couldn’t hang with the rest of em. I can't argue that Roode & Nakamura looked bad last night. But neither were beat up by Triple H (gotta lay off the HHH-bashing thing cause he had lil to no offense in that match). And the lil he did, you complained anyhow. Triple H screwing over Angle & Shane was done so Braun can get a bigger pop after destroying him. And also to set up future storylines. The show ended with Triple H flat on his back. I asked last night and didn't get an answer, but don't Nakamura & Roode BOTH pose often during matches? I seem to recall it happening in every match they've both had recently. Or let me guess, if it had been anyone else from RAW hitting them, it have been okay? They do, but they’re in their against HHH. That pretty much proves my point. Thanks. |
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Post by Chip on Nov 20, 2017 10:58:54 GMT -5
yeah it wasn't actually HHH that made anyone look bad last night. it was the entire point/booking of the match
the storyline here is Angle vs the McMahons. and then we need to make Braun look strong.
which leaves everyone else in the match looking like complete geeks. you build a match with what's supposed to be the best 7 active wrestlers in the company and 6 of them are completely forgettable after the match, where the only thing you're talking about is HHH screwing Angle, and Braun. So that match achieved it's goal.
the PROBLEM is the goal to begin with. everyone's all excited about Braun, sure...but nobody is realizing that he's also going to become the new Reigns where everyone else is going to get completely passed over for the sake of keeping Braun looking like a monster. So we're gonna have our #1 and #2 guys be Reigns & Braun and everyone else is just there and does things.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Nov 20, 2017 11:13:34 GMT -5
best matches were shockingly the divas 5-5 match, aj vs brock, and the bar vs the usos. main event sucked, however the ending wasnt that bad.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 20, 2017 11:25:04 GMT -5
WWE Survivor Series
November 19th, 2017 | Toyota Center in Houston, Texas | Attendance: 14,478
Elias vs. Matt Hardy
One positive thing came out of this match. We got to hear Elias sing about Houston. He’s great. Anyway, since the WWE insists on making their “big four” shows about six hours long, they threw two extra matches on the Kickoff show. Instead of opening the doors for fans earlier, they allowed this match to take place in front of near half empty arena. The match itself was basically exactly what you’d see on an episode of Raw. Elias won with the Drift Away in 9:12. Completely forgettable. [**]
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Enzo Amore [c] vs. Kalisto
This rivalry has gone on way too long. Nothing against either guy, but they’ve only had one solid match against each other, and that was on Raw. In the highlight, Kalisto botched his entrance and got stuck on the top rope. It was hilarious. The match started fine, with Kalisto hitting a sweet Code Red. Then, the commercial break came and it kind of halted the momentum. The rest of the match was dull and the crowd didn’t care at all. Enzo won with a craplooking Eat Defeat in 8:24. Move on from this. Kalisto already beat him and dropped the title right back, so why should we care at this point? Low point of the night. [*½]
Breezango vs. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn
I saw a lot of people upset that this was a poor use of Owens and Zayn. Admittedly, I’d rather see them doing something more important. However, with Raw vs. Smackdown as the top angle right now, they’re kind of just killing time until the Shane feud reignites. Anyway, Breezango were a good choice here, because they remain very over. Tyler Breeze got isolated for most of the match. He made the hot tag to Fandango, which was solid, though probably not Fandango’s strongest trait. Owens planted him with a Popup Powerbomb for the finish at 8:31. Good tag team wrestling, with two over teams. Nothing special though, and about what you’d expect from a Kickoff Show. [**¾]
The New Day vs. The Shield
Finally, onto the main card. I came with high hopes for this. It’s the two best stables in recent memory and New Day were coming off some insane matches against the Usos. The early portions were typical multi-man tag stuff. We got the guys pairing off, with the most interesting being Big E against Roman Reigns. It was great seeing Big E shrug off Roman’s power offense. New Day showed off stronger cohesive work, while Shield won a lot of the individual battles, which made sense given the strengths of the teams. There was an odd feel to parts of the match. At times, each team would kind of stand around awkwardly for a moment or so before setting up their next move. Other than that, the closing stretch was a lot of fun and led to some quality near falls. New Day’s double Midnight Hour was particularly cool. The Shield won with a super triple powerbomb at 21:30. A very good way to start the show, but I was hoping for something better. Maybe my expectations were too high. [***½]
Team Raw (Alicia Fox, Asuka, Bayley, Nia Jax and Sasha Banks) vs. Team Smackdown (Becky Lynch, Carmella, Naomi, Natalya and Tamina) w/ Lana
Last year’s women’s match was one of the better ones. This went back in the opposite direction. First, they had Becky Lynch get eliminated first. Why? She’s the best female the company has. It would’ve been awesome if they teased or gave us a small taste of what Asuka vs. Becky would be like. Instead, they saved the big “showdown” moment for Nia Jax and Tamina. Yes, that Tamina. The one who has been awful since the day she was signed. This came after Bayley was eliminated by a Tamina splash. Losing to Tamina is a career-low for anyone. Nia got eliminated after a barrage of offense on the outside. Alicia got sent home with a craprollup by Naomi, who then immediately tapped out to Sasha Banks. Asuka came to the rescue, beating Carmella. Sasha tapped to a Sharpshooter and Asuka’s alone. The problem, is that you’ve now got Asuka working someone the fans don’t care about. She made both Tamina and Nattie tap, winning for her team in a strange 18:25. The action wasn’t terrible, but the structure was confusing. There were so many better ways to do this. At least Asuka got to shine a bit. [**¼]
WWE United States Champion Baron Corbin vs. WWE Intercontinental Champion The Miz w/ The Miztourage
Maryse was in the front row. Though Miz and Corbin never interacted on TV, the build was good thanks to Twitter. Anyway, this match suffered from some of the same stuff the last match did. It was strangely laid out. Thanks to Miz being more popular and Corbin’s remarks about Miz’s wife, the IC Champ was positioned as the babyface. That would’ve been fine, but Miz had two goons at ringside who continually cheated on his behalf. The near falls down the stretch were solid, before Corbin won with End of Days in 9:32. This happened. It had good points, though nothing made it stand out from your average TV match. [**½]
WWE Raw Tag Team Champions The Bar vs. WWE Smackdown Tag Team Champions The Usos
With the Revival on the shelf, the Bar and the Usos (along with New Day and the Shield) have kept tag team wrestling as a highlight of WWE this year. The Usos’ pre-match promo was great and they’ve excelled there for most of 2017. Like the Shield/New Day match, this didn’t get off to a fast start, but once it picked up, it was great down the stretch. Sounds like an NJPW match. Unfortunately, the odd Houston crowd who popped for Nia/Tamina, was kind of quiet for this. I get that both teams are heel, but so are Nia and Tamina, and the Usos have kind of worked tweener the past month. The crowd did wake up for the false finishes, though. In the end, the Usos did a cool spot where they tagged out during a plancha and the legal man hit the big splash for the win in 15:54. Great stuff that would’ve been helped by a stronger opening sequence. Lots of fun. [***¾]
WWE Raw Women’s Champion Alexa Bliss vs. WWE Smackdown Women’s Champion Charlotte
THE IRRESISTIBLE FORCE MEETS THE IMMOVABLE OBJECT! Two women who run roughshod over their competition. It figures that the one singles match with a heel/face dynamic features one of the worst faces in the company. Charlotte just doesn’t work in that fashion. Alexa was a great heel here, as always. She continues to nail all the needed mannerisms. Charlotte sold rather well in the early stages, but she’s way too inconsistent with it. She’d completely forget about it so she could hit her offense. Charlotte got her knees up on a Sparkle Splash and went right into the Figure Eight, because why sell your ribs? Alexa tapped at 15:43. There were good parts to this match, though it left a lot to be desired. Charlotte’s selling hurts so many of her matches for me. [**¾]
WWE Champion AJ Styles vs. WWE Universal Champion Brock Lesnar w/ Paul Heyman
Smackdown just took a 3-2 lead and there’s two matches left. Plus, Brock Lesnar’s in this one, so the outcome was clear. I came into this without too much excitement, because Brock singles matches usually underwhelm (see: Strowman, Ambrose, Rollins, etc.). However, Brock decided to put in effort tonight. In the early stages, Brock dominated AJ like he was John Cena at SummerSlam 2014. AJ bumped like a madman and made Brock’s already brutal offense like incredible. When AJ finally kicks into his comeback, it feels earned. And not just that, but it’s realistic. He didn’t just start going into his offense. He kept selling the damage and whatever he did came out of desperation. The crowd totally bit on a Phenomenal Forearm near fall. AJ went for a second, but was caught in the F5 for the finish in 15:19. When I first watched this, I thought the early portion was dull. Rewatching it the following morning, I liked it a lot more. It wasn’t exciting, but it built up a lot of sympathy for AJ and made his comeback better. They did horribly botch a tornado DDT spot. Other than that, this ruled. AJ’s most likely dropping the title this week, but the switch to him for this match was masterful [****]
Team Raw (Braun Strowman, Finn Balor, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe and Triple H) vs. Team Smackdown (Bobby Roode, John Cena, Randy Orton, Shane McMahon and Shinsuke Nakamura)
Last year’s Team Raw vs. Team Smackdown tag was unbelievably good. Top two or three ever. This didn’t live up to that. Looking at the people in the match, this looks like something only possible in a video game. Finn Balor looked incredibly small next to his team. Anyway, the start of this match was a lot of fun. We got some cool interactions, as you’d expect. Finn vs. Shin (seriously Cole, that’s a horrible nickname) was a blast, as was Triple H against his adopted Japanese son and HHH taking on his slightly younger self in Roode. Nakamura was the first man gone, at the hands of Braun, who then also got rid of Roode. With Team Raw winning, they decided to spend the next few minutes arguing. For no reason. Cena came in and treated Balor and Joe like cannon fodder. He eliminated Joe with an AA, before Angle pinned Cena with the Angle Slam. That left Orton and Shane against four guys. Why? Orton got tired of that new star Balor being around, so he ended him with an RKO. Then, Owens and Zayn showed up to attack Shane. Then, in one of the worst moments of the night, Super Shane fought them off BY HIMSELF and sent them scurrying to the back, with Orton also nailing an RKO on Owens. Braun then eliminated Orton. Shane was left alone and Braun wanted to kill him. Instead, HHH tagged himself in. Then Angle did the same, only for HHH to Pedigree him. He helped Shane pin him. BUT WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON? His own, as HHH dropped Shane with a Pedigree and took the win for himself at 33:19. What the hell happened to this match? It was fun at the start, but became kind of a disaster late. The only potential new star to do anything of real note was Braun. Every other elimination came from Cena, Orton, Angle and HHH. They crapon the closing stretch to further McMahon family drama. Not a good move. The more I think about this match, the less I like it, which is a shame because it started so well. [**½]
Post-match, Braun Strowman got in Triple H’s face and warned him to never do that again. Triple H sold the hell out of his fear. Then, he attacked Braun, only to get his ass handed to him. I can’t wait for Stephanie to emasculate Braun in retaliation.
Overall: 6/10. Like a lot of these long “big four” shows, this was a middle of the pack show. It was slightly above average thanks to how awesome AJ/Brock was and the high quality outings between Usos/Bar and Shield/New Day. The two Survivor Series tags were hampered by poor booking. The kickoff stuff was mostly fine and the two main card singles matches were average. |
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