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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Oct 31, 2017 5:15:09 GMT -5
Defining Moments basically became regular elites in a fancy box. 1st time ever figures like Hogan, Flair, Sting, Nakamura, and Razor were strong sells. Ultimate Maniacs Warrior was a big bust. Word Life Cena was flawed. When the box is the selling point, we got a problem. So no tears from me if the series goes into hiatus. Only real issue for Entrance Greats is that the 1st 2 chosen lack of accessories. But the choice of Angle and Jeff Hardy is a strong starting point due to their popularity and online demand.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Oct 31, 2017 6:18:12 GMT -5
Entrance greats isn't gonna do any better at $30 ...especially if (going by the Angle and Jeff figures) they have hardly any accessories... Personally, I would have preferred the continuation of the DM line... are people really that interested/bothered by a musical base that they'll pay $30 for figures that actually have fewer accessories than a standard Elite? Not to mention, the DM packaging was awesome... The only type of stand I would pay that money for would be one that shoots sparklers out for Goldberg. The decision for switching DM's to entrance greats minus the accessories and adding a music base for $5 more is just not gonna work.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 31, 2017 7:35:46 GMT -5
Entrance greats isn't gonna do any better at $30 I'd pay $30 if we got DMs like WM7 Savage and Warrior or Elite versions of EC Jericho, DiBiase, and Taker. I don't care about the music box. I want more accessories and soft clothing for my figures and I'd gladly pay more for them.
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Post by xtremebadass on Oct 31, 2017 8:34:28 GMT -5
The answer is yes.
So now, instead of getting a $25 elite figure with relatively nice accessories you are now going to get a $30 elite figure with little to no accessories, but with a magical music box.
Congrats.
Would have much rather kept Defining Moments opposed to Entrance Greats.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Oct 31, 2017 8:44:42 GMT -5
Yes, DM is dead, and it should be dead because it stopped being special.
The first few were AMAZING. DM's were supposed to be higher priced so that we could get accessories and paint deco that could not be affordable in the regular Elite line.
For example, regular line Elite Macho Man figures never get entrance jackets....the first ever DM, we got that amazing jacket. Same thing with HBK, he got a cloth entrance vest when his main line stuff is always rubber.
Bret Hart DM got a leather jacket. Flair got two with cloth robes. Crow Sting got the leather jacket. Undertaker got the cloth cape. Austin got a t-shirt and a cloth jacket. Warrior got an awesome duster. Steamboat got some cool stuff. Rock got cloth stuff.
Then, it went down hill. Hogan got all rubber accessories. Razor Ramon got all rubber accessories. Surfer Sting got a rubber jacket. Ultimate Maniacs Warrior got NOTHING but a tiny ass pair of glasses. Nakamura got rubber accessories. Jerchico just got the belts. Austin just got some belts. Cena, all rubber stuff.
It became a situation where you were getting just regular Elites, sometimes with even LESS accessories than regular Elites, for a higher price.
But Entrance Greats is going to be even worse. Really, nobody wants that ridiculous music box. So it's going to be a regular Elite with a music box for a higher price than a DM and we still aren't going to get the cloth shirts, jackets, and other accessories that we should be getting.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 31, 2017 8:52:51 GMT -5
It bothers the heck out of me when I see DM figures missing stuff. Case in point the recent Macho Man. On the box you see Macho with the IC title belt. The figure commemorates his WM3 appearance, an event in which he had the IC title but the title wasnt included with the figure because......... Chinese New Year? As a regular elite I would be a little more understanding but DM is a premium line so you expect premium effort. Instead tho you just got a robe, which is cool, but for an extra 10 bucks I expect more than what would come with a regular elite.
Macho was a passable figure, then you have horrible figures like Crow Stong, and Mega Maniacs Warrior that really make you not want to buy the line. 10 dollars for sunglasses? Why would I want to buy Crow Stong for 10 dollars more when they've made him multiple times already in the elite line? Same with Cena.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 31, 2017 8:55:05 GMT -5
The answer is yes. So now, instead of getting a $25 elite figure with relatively nice accessories you are now going to get a $30 elite figure with little to no accessories, but with a magical music box. Congrats. Would have much rather kept Defining Moments opposed to Entrance Greats. 25 dollars, if you're lucky. I've seen DMs go for 30 dollars regularly at retail. To me I consider it a 30 dollar figure because it is more likely that I'll find them for 30 dollars and rarely see them for 25.
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Post by Showstopper on Oct 31, 2017 9:51:46 GMT -5
Entrance Greats at $30 is insane, IMO. I don't see that line doing great at that price. Whoever thought up that price for that line is in for quite a surprise.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Oct 31, 2017 10:08:10 GMT -5
Entrance greats isn't gonna do any better at $30 I'd pay $30 if we got DMs like WM7 Savage and Warrior or Elite versions of EC Jericho, DiBiase, and Taker. I don't care about the music box. I want more accessories and soft clothing for my figures and I'd gladly pay more for them. This is what Bill needs to see on his computer screen every time he makes DM figures. The music box is a trash accessory; MORE accessories and SOFT clothes for the DM figures. Matelldesignteam (I don't know how to link them to this)
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Post by Mongo Bears on Oct 31, 2017 10:19:23 GMT -5
Entrance greats isn't gonna do any better at $30 I'd pay $30 if we got DMs like WM7 Savage and Warrior or Elite versions of EC Jericho, DiBiase, and Taker. I don't care about the music box. I want more accessories and soft clothing for my figures and I'd gladly pay more for them. Same I would also gladly pay $30 for the dm wm7 savage, elite eg jericho and dibiase. The robes/jacket on both dm flairs and savages and dm Bret make me want those figures so bad I'll pay. A musical display stand with no accessories for that price is assinine.
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Post by Old School Collector on Oct 31, 2017 15:33:22 GMT -5
...especially if (going by the Angle and Jeff figures) they have hardly any accessories... Personally, I would have preferred the continuation of the DM line... are people really that interested/bothered by a musical base that they'll pay $30 for figures that actually have fewer accessories than a standard Elite? Not to mention, the DM packaging was awesome... And like, how many people have songs that make it worth buying? Angle obviously, but who else really needs a stand with only half a minute of their theme? Bobby Roode 👌🏻
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Post by A-Rob on Oct 31, 2017 15:53:32 GMT -5
If they alternate Entrance Greats and Defining Moments it would make sense.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Oct 31, 2017 17:32:29 GMT -5
Like others have said a lot rather have more accessories then a music box.
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Post by TheLastDude on Oct 31, 2017 17:56:43 GMT -5
It's crazy how much the hype for this line died down after Mattel put out 2 re-releases, an extremely botched Surfer Sting, Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and John Cena. They started off so strong with Flair, Hogan, Razor and Sting. The Undertaker was a last minute replacement and is one of their best figures, so I don't blame them for that one or even the Austin that came after it since it's a really cool release with all the belts. But the Surfer Sting was a major disappointment after the long wait. Getting Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and word life Cena after this completely killed the hype. Putting out another Flair instead of an exciting release was also questionable although the robe and head sculpt were really nice. Nakamura, Mach and Jericho have all been fantastic so it's sad to see them taking a break on the line but I hopefully they'll be back eventually like Bill claimed. I can completely see why. $25 isn't a LOT of money...but think about it this way: If you bought Flair, Hogan, Razor, and Sting, you just spent $100. $100 on four figures. Four! Yeah, now comes the part where a couple of bucks adds up in a big way. Flair 1, Crow Sting, Macho, and Taker were all worth it based on what we got. USA Sting is somewhere in the middle. I feel like if the figure had been executed a little better it would have been worth a DM price tag. I think Flair 2 is also in the middle here. Yes, the robe is great and the modern head looks nice...but putting all that around the wrong body makes the figure feel like a fail. Hogan, Razor, Stone Cold, Cena, Warrior, Nakamura, and Jericho could have easily all been Elites. Methinks the rebooted EG line is going to go the same way if the first two offerings are an iffy Angle with cheap medal accessories and E1 Heff Jardy with music boxes for $30 a piece.
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Post by Chicago on Oct 31, 2017 18:36:12 GMT -5
It's crazy how much the hype for this line died down after Mattel put out 2 re-releases, an extremely botched Surfer Sting, Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and John Cena. They started off so strong with Flair, Hogan, Razor and Sting. The Undertaker was a last minute replacement and is one of their best figures, so I don't blame them for that one or even the Austin that came after it since it's a really cool release with all the belts. But the Surfer Sting was a major disappointment after the long wait. Getting Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and word life Cena after this completely killed the hype. Putting out another Flair instead of an exciting release was also questionable although the robe and head sculpt were really nice. Nakamura, Mach and Jericho have all been fantastic so it's sad to see them taking a break on the line but I hopefully they'll be back eventually like Bill claimed. I can completely see why. $25 isn't a LOT of money...but think about it this way: If you bought Flair, Hogan, Razor, and Sting, you just spent $100. $100 on four figures. Four! Yeah, now comes the part where a couple of bucks adds up in a big way. Flair 1, Crow Sting, Macho, and Taker were all worth it based on what we got. USA Sting is somewhere in the middle. I feel like if the figure had been executed a little better it would have been worth a DM price tag. I think Flair 2 is also in the middle here. Yes, the robe is great and the modern head looks nice...but putting all that around the wrong body makes the figure feel like a fail. Hogan, Razor, Stone Cold, Cena, Warrior, Nakamura, and Jericho could have easily all been Elites. Methinks the rebooted EG line is going to go the same way if the first two offerings are an iffy Angle with cheap medal accessories and E1 Heff Jardy with music boxes for $30 a piece.I don't know how much has changed about the MSRP for the Entrance Greats, but at one time they were priced at $29.99 by Amazon. Ringside has Angle on pre-order for just $25.99. A much better value, especially considering some of those third-tiered DMs you mention weren't packaged with too many more accessories than Angle or Hardy. It's a fair trade off, I think.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 31, 2017 19:21:27 GMT -5
Flair 1, Crow Sting, Macho, and Taker were all worth it based on what we got. USA Sting is somewhere in the middle. I feel like if the figure had been executed a little better it would have been worth a DM price tag. I was a bit disappointed in the USA Sting... I know the facial look they were going for, but it doesn't really work. I think the new (Basic) Network Spotlight head would have been better - and also give him the WHC belt. As it was, it seemed the figure could easily have been a regular Elite.
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Post by TheLastDude on Oct 31, 2017 20:35:01 GMT -5
I can completely see why. $25 isn't a LOT of money...but think about it this way: If you bought Flair, Hogan, Razor, and Sting, you just spent $100. $100 on four figures. Four! Yeah, now comes the part where a couple of bucks adds up in a big way. Flair 1, Crow Sting, Macho, and Taker were all worth it based on what we got. USA Sting is somewhere in the middle. I feel like if the figure had been executed a little better it would have been worth a DM price tag. I think Flair 2 is also in the middle here. Yes, the robe is great and the modern head looks nice...but putting all that around the wrong body makes the figure feel like a fail. Hogan, Razor, Stone Cold, Cena, Warrior, Nakamura, and Jericho could have easily all been Elites. Methinks the rebooted EG line is going to go the same way if the first two offerings are an iffy Angle with cheap medal accessories and E1 Heff Jardy with music boxes for $30 a piece.I don't know how much has changed about the MSRP for the Entrance Greats, but at one time they were priced at $29.99 by Amazon. Ringside has Angle on pre-order for just $25.99. A much better value, especially considering some of those third-tiered DMs you mention weren't packaged with too many more accessories than Angle or Hardy. It's a fair trade off, I think. I was a huge fan of EG, and have them all. They were $19.99 at retail. I don't remember every buying any at Walmart, but I got them at TRU and Target and didn't pay more than that for any of them. I was stoked for the return of the line. But I won't pay $30 for what they're offering. It's absolutely not worth it. The Ringside price is good, but after shipping it would just be cheaper to buy it at retail.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Nov 1, 2017 0:04:02 GMT -5
I can completely see why. $25 isn't a LOT of money...but think about it this way: If you bought Flair, Hogan, Razor, and Sting, you just spent $100. $100 on four figures. Four! Yeah, now comes the part where a couple of bucks adds up in a big way. Flair 1, Crow Sting, Macho, and Taker were all worth it based on what we got. USA Sting is somewhere in the middle. I feel like if the figure had been executed a little better it would have been worth a DM price tag. I think Flair 2 is also in the middle here. Yes, the robe is great and the modern head looks nice...but putting all that around the wrong body makes the figure feel like a fail. Hogan, Razor, Stone Cold, Cena, Warrior, Nakamura, and Jericho could have easily all been Elites. Methinks the rebooted EG line is going to go the same way if the first two offerings are an iffy Angle with cheap medal accessories and E1 Heff Jardy with music boxes for $30 a piece.I don't know how much has changed about the MSRP for the Entrance Greats, but at one time they were priced at $29.99 by Amazon. Ringside has Angle on pre-order for just $25.99. A much better value, especially considering some of those third-tiered DMs you mention weren't packaged with too many more accessories than Angle or Hardy. It's a fair trade off, I think. Voice of reason
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Post by hierosis on Nov 1, 2017 0:22:03 GMT -5
Well, if this run of the Entrance Greats line is similar to the first, they'll be showing up at places like Big Lots within a few months.
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Post by WFTCUK on Nov 1, 2017 6:45:34 GMT -5
Hopefully.
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