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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 13, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -5
A.K.A What if Vince decided to use Flair after ‘92.
But what would’ve happened if Vince had kept Flair in the WWF instead of letting him go? Would we see the Wrestlemania dream match with Hogan at Mania IX? Would Flair get another WWF title reign? Would he and HBK square off or join forces? How long do you think Flair’s extended time in the WWF would’ve lasted? How would this effect WCW?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 13, 2017 9:07:28 GMT -5
I imagine Flair and Luger would join forces. Bobby Heenan was close to both of them so it would make sense they would be a heel team and feud with Bret and Perfect.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Nov 14, 2017 14:42:32 GMT -5
Rematch At the Royal Rumble vs. Bret. Then a program with Mr. Perfect and a match at Wrestlemania 9. From there I’m not sure what they’d do with him. I just don’t see him on the roster in 1994.
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Post by JimRiga on Nov 14, 2017 20:35:47 GMT -5
Yea, a rematch loss to Bret at the Rumble should definitely happen. Bret would win decisively with the Sharpshooter. Razor should take his place in the Rumble match to be eliminated by Perfect instead. Flair stays for one more year.
Razor is the one who takes issue with Brutus Beefcake’s comeback and due to his continued association with Flair, they gang up on him, which brings Hogan back, prompting Flair to take issue with Hogan and set up the dream match at Wrestlemania 9. Obviously, Hogan wins clean. Afterall, it’s Vince’s company and Hogan’s ego.
Razor Ramon meanwhile, faces Beefcake instead of Bob Backlund and gets a roll up pin after Beefcake’s mask comes off. He still gets the boost of a win and Beefcake gets to chase him off with the mask after the match. So, no Mega Maniacs. Beefcake just wears purple and white with matching mask. No Wrestlemania appearance for Backlund
Money Inc end up losing the tag titles earlier to the Steiners at Wrestlemania itself, bumping the Headshrinkers off the card as a result.
Perfect and Luger still feud briefly and they have the same match and result, although it’s Ric Flair, who is getting ready for his match with Hogan, who attacks him backstage due to tensions stemming from Survivor Series ‘92, starting the feud properly and setting up their first one on one match at SummerSlam.
Bret retains and loses to Yoko at Mania 9. Hogan comes out and wins the title back. All that post match stuff still happens.
Wrestlemania 9 looks like this: Tatanka vs Michaels happens in the exact same way with the result and appearances from Sherri and Luna. Doink vs Crush is also unchanged. Razor vs Beefcake is third. Then the Steiners get their title win against Money Inc. Luger vs Mr Perfect goes down the same with Flair involed in the post match angle. Undertaker and Giant Gonzalez also pans out the same. Hogan then beats Ric Flair in their televised dream match. Then the main happens the same way too, leaving Hogan as champ and Flair out of contention.
Hogan still refuses to put over Bret Hart and leaves after losing the title to Yokozuna at King of the Ring in the same match. None of that changes.
Bret wins King of the Ring setting up the feud with Jerry Lawler although this time it’s Flair he beats in the final.
Flair cheats to win his semi-final against his rival Mr Perfect which carries on their feud.
Bret beats Bam Bam in the other semi.
The QF matches: Bret has his original match with Razor Ramon. Bigelow beats Jim Duggan with no change to their original match. Flair beats Bob Backlund with more dirty tricks. Perfect beats Doink in a match similar to their last qualifying match that actually happened.
In the qualifiers themselves: Bret was automatically through. Razor still beat El Matador. Bigelow still beat Typhoon. Duggan still beat Papa Shango. Flair beats Kamala by count out due to Kimchee drawing him away from ringside in basically the same result that Mr Hughes really had to qualify, but it would have been a much more fun match due to Flair’s sneaky veteran tactics turning things around whenever the naive Kamala got an advantage. Just imagine, Kamala probably wouldn’t have been intimidated by Flair and would have gone on the offensive with his side kicks, chops to the head and corner squashes, but Flair would have been defensive all the way and sold well, while getting in his eye pokes and low blows. He would have to drop the feet on the ropes pin attempt though, as it wouldn’t have been too believable that Kamala knows to kickout at two. If you think about it, nobody actually attempted to pin Kamala during the course of a match, only making an attempt at the end if that’s how they were booked to win. Anyway, in another similar result, Bob Backlund qualifies by beating Mr Hughes the same way Mr Perfect did in their real first round match, when Hughes got disqualified for using the stolen urn as a weapon. Doink beats Owen Hart to qualify in a good match. Luger and Tatanka have their time limit draw only it’s obviously just the qualifier, so they get bumped off the card. Shawn Michaels and Crush also have the same ‘qualifying’ match draw that they really had too, which leads to the IC title match that they had at the PPV. With one spot still left, Mr Perfect beats Giant Gonzalez by DQ just as Tatanka had done to qualify for the original show. There is no series of matches like Perfect’s real qualifier against Doink, it’s just one and done. (Incidentally, did anyone else notice how Perfect and Doink were given a few matches to qualify and yet Michaels and Crush only got one? Also, that the Michaels and Crush so-called qualifying match was televised AFTER all the quarter final spots were taken?)
KotR 1993 looks like this: Round 1; Bret beats Razor Ramon in the same match. Bam Bam Bigelow beats Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the same match. Ric Flair beats Bob Backlund with a small package similar to Backlund’s real world loss to Razor Ramon at Wrestlemania 9. Mr Perfect pins Doink the Clown in a short match with the perfect-plex. Exhibition match; The Steiners and the Smokin’ Gunns have an unchanged match and result vs the Headshrinkers and Money Inc. Round 2; Bret has a shorter match with Bigelow than in the actual real final. IC title match; Again, same match/result as the original event. Shawn beats Crush due to two Doinks appearing. Round 2; Flair pins Mr Perfect with his feet on the ropes and a handful of tights. World Title match; Hogan and Yoko have the same bout and finish. King of the Ring final; Bret Hart beats Ric Flair in match similar to all their previous ones, with Bret winning with an O’Connor roll. At the coronation, all the Jerry Lawler action still occurs.
After that, all other events still take place, except Michaels never has his title match on Raw with Jannetty. Jannetty simply surprise attacks Michaels with no involvement from Mr Perfect, although Mr Perfect and Jannetty vs Michaels and Flair or Diesel happens on TV and at houseshows. It’s only after avoiding Jannetty for so long that makes the title match for SummerSlam.
SummerSlam 1993 then looks like this: Razor and the Kid actually team up to beat Money Inc with the Razor’s Edge finishing off DiBiase as in the real opening match. Mr Perfect then pins Ric Flair with the Perfect Plex in a match similar to their career vs career match. Tatanka and the Smokin’ Gunns beat BBB & the Headshrinkers in the same match. Marty Jannetty pins Shawn Michaels with a small package to win the IC title. The Steiners have their same match with the Heavenly Bodies. Bret has the same matches with Doink and Jerry Lawler. Ludvig Borga beats Owen Hart. Then Taker vs Gonzalez and Luger vs Yokozuna are replicated.
Shawn Michaels wins his IC title back from Jannetty a few days later on Raw, clean.
Whatever caused Mr Perfect to leave, his low match placing on the SummerSlam card also added to his discontent.
All other events then pan out and the only change at Survivor Series is Flair being the one to replace Jerry Lawler against the Harts as he is deemed more appropriate than Michaels, who has just returned from his suspension.
However, same as Perfect, Flair also sees his low placing in the card and opts to go back to WCW.
His last appearance is the Royal Rumble match, where he replaces Owen Hart and gets fed to Diesel. Owen replaces Bastion Booger later in the match and is eliminated by Luger after becoming distracted when Bret makes his way down for the match. They have a brief brawl at ringside that is quickly broken up by the officials. Owen is dragged away and Bret joins the match, which has the same result.
There is nobody Flair feels like putting over specifically before he leaves, so there is no career vs career match.
That’s what I think would be the likely scenarios.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 15, 2017 8:02:12 GMT -5
I think they would’ve had him and Flair face for the belt at Summerslam if Flair had stayed so no need for the match with Yoko. Hogan would retain against Flair at Summerslam and drop the belt at Mania X to Bret.
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Post by JimRiga on Nov 15, 2017 9:32:57 GMT -5
I think they would’ve had him and Flair face for the belt at Summerslam if Flair had stayed so no need for the match with Yoko. Hogan would retain against Flair at Summerslam and drop the belt at Mania X to Bret. You think Hogan would stay just because Flair was still there? He might - after all there would have been money in it and Hogan likes money! But no, I don’t think he would. He had a great chance the year before and still choose to leave.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 15, 2017 14:09:10 GMT -5
I think for WCW it changes little for the first few months because he had the no compete part from WWF, so Flair didn't have an actual match in WCW in 1993 until June. But some stuff it would alter:
- Paul Roma doesn't get in the Horsemen. When Flair came back to WCW, Dusty was in charge of the booking along with input from Jim Ross and Ole. Flair would take over the books in 1994. So if Flair stays put in WWF for most or all of 93 then it's hard to say that Roma would get into the Horsemen since it was, to my understanding, Anderson's decision. Roma was a Horsemen from May to December of 93.
- The Shockmaster would probably still happen, but perhaps history is changed and he doesn't botch the entrance.
- Flair would not get the title victories from his 1993 year which included the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, WCW International Heavyweight Championship, and the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Who knows if we even see the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship.
- The Arn Anderson-Sid stabbing doesn't take place. Without Flair, Sid would not have made the comments that set off the incident. But knowing Sid he probably would have said something else or put an animal down his pants.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 19, 2017 11:23:51 GMT -5
Bash and I rebooked a ton of 1993. I remember we kept Flair around until at least WrestleMania. Here are some of the stuff I remember
- Randy Savage wins the Royal Rumble - Savage puts Bret over in the main event of WrestleMania IX. - Perfect beats Flair in their big blowoff match at Mania IX. - Yokozuna works Hogan in a special attraction match at Mania. - Luger remains heel and wins KOTR. Hart retains against Perfect at the same PPV, setting up Hart/Luger at SummerSlam.
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Post by warriorlynx on Dec 4, 2017 9:42:49 GMT -5
It was that damn match that Savage and Flair had at a show when Vince forced them to go out to do the match a second time and it still sucked. Vince probably decided he had enough of "older" guys because of it. Flair wanted to leave after losing the title a second time, and Vince let him go under the condition that he puts Mr. Perfect over as a babyface. IF the match didn't happen, maybe just maybe Vince and Flair could've worked something out. The way I see it is Mr. Perfect feuds with Flair at Wrestlemania IX, BUT Flair cannot be pushed down the card because his creative control Vince gave him wouldn't have let him so Flair would've had to been the top heel going forward. Would've been interesting to see Flair around, maybe feud with Lex Luger and leave to WCW by the end of 93.
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