VintageFigs1
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Feb 8, 2021 8:37:05 GMT -5
Broski, you guys are responsible for this false inflation of figs, making longtime collectors tap out early because we cannot afford a $200 CS we may have missed in 2007. When Micros are selling in triple digis when the cost on those cannot possibly be more than $2, it's highway rape my brother. PWT will never get a dime of my business. I have a handful of brawlers and shirts I will proudly pay a few dollars more on the secondary so it doesn't go in your coffers. You are basterdizing a hobby we all love, leaving some of us to throw our hands up. Your collection and information is amazing, but your Boiler Room acumen of economics is putting a few sheckles in your pocket, bravo. All the while killing the very thing we all love, ala '02 NWO... I’m sorry you feel that way. There are more companies making wrestling figures and wrestling figure accessories than ever before. Some big time companies...some much smaller. There are more collectors than ever before. That is an incredible thing. The hobby that we all love is booming and growing...the total opposite of killing the very thing we all love. I would love to take 100% credit for that. But I cannot. Does the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast have some influence? Yes. And I’m proud of that. I’m proud that we are helping break the stigma of adults collecting figures. I’m proud we got people to buy back what they had as a kid. I am proud we got people to buy what they never had as a kid. I am proud we got people who never collected a figure in their life to buy figures. I do not agree that that is a false inflation of figs. We are not in the wrestling figure business. We are in the nostalgia business. People can’t get in a time machine. But they can go on eBay and buy a certain figure they had or one they never had. As for some Brawlers going for triple digits but the cost being 2 dollars...please look into sports cards. Old and current. Some cards go for hundreds and some go for THOUSANDS of dollars. I promise you a sports card costs way less than 2 dollars to make. Based on the tone of your last message, I can tell that we just aren’t going to agree and that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 8, 2021 8:38:33 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I do think the print to order model is the best way forward in terms of profitability and collectability. I bought 3 of the 6 that I cared for, and was comfortable with the prices I paid even with shipping. It's absolutely a business, and it's worth remembering this with any company, be it PWT, Jazwares, or Mattel. But along those lines, I think most of the issues brought here are as much about optics as anything. And that's absolutely a business problem. Whether it's just a lack of communication skills or his natural personality, Ryan comes off as really gruff and at times hostile. Collectors are a fickle bunch, and you'll never please anybody. But that's also why I think he'd really benefit from having somebody else out front handling communication for this line.
But at the end of the day, this isn't an issue that's exclusive to Brawlers. There's a major collectibles boom happening right now across a lot of genres, and it's looking very 90's esque. Some people are going to do very well for themselves. But there are some really interesting economic factors at play right now. And I guess I'm just a bleeding heart, but I see a lot of people who don't really understand the "game" they walked into and are going to get burned. And from experience in other industries (cards, comics) in the long run that can do a lot more long term harm than short term good when that bubble pops.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 8, 2021 8:57:36 GMT -5
Broski, you guys are responsible for this false inflation of figs, making longtime collectors tap out early because we cannot afford a $200 CS we may have missed in 2007. When Micros are selling in triple digis when the cost on those cannot possibly be more than $2, it's highway rape my brother. PWT will never get a dime of my business. I have a handful of brawlers and shirts I will proudly pay a few dollars more on the secondary so it doesn't go in your coffers. You are basterdizing a hobby we all love, leaving some of us to throw our hands up. Your collection and information is amazing, but your Boiler Room acumen of economics is putting a few sheckles in your pocket, bravo. All the while killing the very thing we all love, ala '02 NWO... I’m sorry you feel that way. There are more companies making wrestling figures and wrestling figure accessories than ever before. Some big time companies...some much smaller. There are more collectors than ever before. That is an incredible thing. The hobby that we all love is booming and growing...the total opposite of killing the very thing we all love. I would love to take 100% credit for that. But I cannot. Does the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast have some influence? Yes. And I’m proud of that. I’m proud that we are helping break the stigma of adults collecting figures. I’m proud we got people to buy back what they had as a kid. I am proud we got people to buy what they never had as a kid. I am proud we got people who never collected a figure in their life to buy figures. I do not agree that that is a false inflation of figs. We are not in the wrestling figure business. We are in the nostalgia business. People can’t get in a time machine. But they can go on eBay and buy a certain figure they had or one they never had. As for some Brawlers going for triple digits but the cost being 2 dollars...please look into sports cards. Old and current. Some cards go for hundreds and some go for THOUSANDS of dollars. I promise you a sports card costs way less than 2 dollars to make. Based on the tone of your last message, I can that we just aren’t going to agree and that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours. I think timing is everything. Collectibles have been trending up for a few years now, even before your pod, and there has really been a huge boom in the past year due to some of the crazy factors around COVID. Which isn't to say that you don't deserve some credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) for interest in wrestling figures and you've done a really smart job of cultivating a fanbase and monetizing it. But these trends have definitely been there for some time, and COVID sort of threw things into an economic bizarro world. Cards are a really relevant comparison point, especially to Brawlers since Topps has been using a print to order model for years now. But having seen the way comics and cards cratered in the 90's in ways that took a long time to recover from and nearly killed the industry, I'm hoping some of those pitfalls can be avoided this time around. Ironically I think the issues that most of us are frustrated with (distribution, availability, etc) that are causing prices to spike in modern toys are also the same factors that I think will prevent it from being hit as hard as some collectibles when things inevitably correct.
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Post by WOOOOOO on Feb 8, 2021 8:58:22 GMT -5
Guys this is getting a bit crazy in here. Was the Macho release kinda crappy yes due to the multiple shipping charges. Was it also awesome because we got all those versions of Macho? I'd say yes. I grabbed them all yeah it sucked with the shipping but guess what I like Macho so I got them. If u want something go get it. If $5 keeps you from getting it then maybe reassess buying it in the first place. People forget the people that make and sell these items are doing it to male money not just cater to our wants. It's a business like anything else. I complained about the shipping sure but some of the stuff in here is just entitled crazy whining. Don't hate on Ryder for building a business I'd do the same thing in a second if I had that pull and connections with fans.
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VintageFigs1
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Feb 8, 2021 9:03:43 GMT -5
I’m sorry you feel that way. There are more companies making wrestling figures and wrestling figure accessories than ever before. Some big time companies...some much smaller. There are more collectors than ever before. That is an incredible thing. The hobby that we all love is booming and growing...the total opposite of killing the very thing we all love. I would love to take 100% credit for that. But I cannot. Does the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast have some influence? Yes. And I’m proud of that. I’m proud that we are helping break the stigma of adults collecting figures. I’m proud we got people to buy back what they had as a kid. I am proud we got people to buy what they never had as a kid. I am proud we got people who never collected a figure in their life to buy figures. I do not agree that that is a false inflation of figs. We are not in the wrestling figure business. We are in the nostalgia business. People can’t get in a time machine. But they can go on eBay and buy a certain figure they had or one they never had. As for some Brawlers going for triple digits but the cost being 2 dollars...please look into sports cards. Old and current. Some cards go for hundreds and some go for THOUSANDS of dollars. I promise you a sports card costs way less than 2 dollars to make. Based on the tone of your last message, I can that we just aren’t going to agree and that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours. I think timing is everything. Collectibles have been trending up for a few years now, even before your pod, and there has really been a huge boom in the past year due to some of the crazy factors around COVID. Which isn't to say that you don't deserve some credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) for interest in wrestling figures and you've done a really smart job of cultivating a fanbase and monetizing it. But these trends have definitely been there for some time, and COVID sort of threw things into an economic bizarro world. Cards are a really relevant comparison point, especially to Brawlers since Topps has been using a print to order model for years now. But having seen the way comics and cards cratered in the 90's in ways that took a long time to recover from and nearly killed the industry, I'm hoping some of those pitfalls can be avoided this time around. Ironically I think the issues that most of us are frustrated with (distribution, availability, etc) that are causing prices to spike in modern toys are also the same factors that I think will prevent it from being hit as hard as some collectibles when things inevitably correct. 100% agree with this entire post.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 8, 2021 9:04:50 GMT -5
Broski, you guys are responsible for this false inflation of figs, making longtime collectors tap out early because we cannot afford a $200 CS we may have missed in 2007. When Micros are selling in triple digis when the cost on those cannot possibly be more than $2, it's highway rape my brother. PWT will never get a dime of my business. I have a handful of brawlers and shirts I will proudly pay a few dollars more on the secondary so it doesn't go in your coffers. You are basterdizing a hobby we all love, leaving some of us to throw our hands up. Your collection and information is amazing, but your Boiler Room acumen of economics is putting a few sheckles in your pocket, bravo. All the while killing the very thing we all love, ala '02 NWO... I can understand old Jakks CS figures being expensive now, but when figures that just came out like Royal Rumble Elite Ultimate Warrior or E82 Davey Boy Smith go for $70-150 on ebay right off the bat with store employees getting harassed and then accused of stealing them when people cant find the figures, that is also poisoning the hobby.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 8, 2021 9:31:01 GMT -5
These Brawlers are fun... they are fun at $5 and fun at $50. Also you don’t have to own everything instantly. Im still finishing my LJN collection and they have almost been out 40 years. Buy what you can afford now and circle back later. They will still be on eBay 6 months from now and 6 years from now. I have seen Taz go for $250 loose and one sold in the bag for $90 the other day. I got my Taz in a lot for about $20. Just hunt and enjoy the process. As for all the MWFP hate, I have a feeling everyone is going to be crying when that Crate comes out because it is going to have some sick brawlers in there. You can just say you’re a cult member. We don’t need to hear your life story.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 8, 2021 9:53:10 GMT -5
Broski, you guys are responsible for this false inflation of figs, making longtime collectors tap out early because we cannot afford a $200 CS we may have missed in 2007. When Micros are selling in triple digis when the cost on those cannot possibly be more than $2, it's highway rape my brother. PWT will never get a dime of my business. I have a handful of brawlers and shirts I will proudly pay a few dollars more on the secondary so it doesn't go in your coffers. You are basterdizing a hobby we all love, leaving some of us to throw our hands up. Your collection and information is amazing, but your Boiler Room acumen of economics is putting a few sheckles in your pocket, bravo. All the while killing the very thing we all love, ala '02 NWO... I can understand old Jakks CS figures being expensive now, but when figures that just came out like Royal Rumble Elite Ultimate Warrior or E82 Davey Boy Smith go for $70-150 on ebay right off the bat with store employees getting harassed and then accused of stealing them when people cant find the figures, that is also poisoning the hobby. It's a supply/demand issue. Look at how many new posters we've had here recently, or folks saying they're just getting back into collecting. The problem is that Mattel's production is directly tied to retail, and Walmart and Target don't know or care if there's a collecting boom. They're still ordering the same quantities of product. From what I understand, Mattel makes it nearly impossible for smaller retailers to get their product without buying tens of thousands of dollars of product. So quantity doesn't rise to meet demand unless the big boxes order. The flip side is print to order products like Brawlers or trading cards (shipping issue aside for PWT). Production on 2021 Topps cards looks to be up by 2-3X higher than it was just a year or two ago. But they sell directly to small mom and pop shops or online retailers, so when demand spikes, the market responds quickly. Not to say that won't have its own share of issues when values flatten out.
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Post by candymanwew on Feb 8, 2021 10:11:41 GMT -5
These Brawlers are fun... they are fun at $5 and fun at $50. Also you don’t have to own everything instantly. Im still finishing my LJN collection and they have almost been out 40 years. Buy what you can afford now and circle back later. They will still be on eBay 6 months from now and 6 years from now. I have seen Taz go for $250 loose and one sold in the bag for $90 the other day. I got my Taz in a lot for about $20. Just hunt and enjoy the process. As for all the MWFP hate, I have a feeling everyone is going to be crying when that Crate comes out because it is going to have some sick brawlers in there. You can just say you’re a cult member. We don’t need to hear your life story. LOL definitely not my life story but since you asked so nicely. I am the same age as Cardona / Myers and never can understand the hate for them. I wish when I was a kid (as many of you are) that I could have interacted with a active Wrestler on television to talk about pro wrestling collecting. Also, as business owner myself, they are easy to register for. Your local county will usually do it for like $10 so like a 1/4 of a Micro Brawler. Go start a figure company like Zombie did, put in all the work and time, pay for all the likeness fees, then sell your figs at cost. I will support that model too! And then you can come back on here to read everyone complain about you.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 8, 2021 10:12:36 GMT -5
LOL
I like how, out one side of his mouth, Broski will be like "C'mon, guys! We're a community! Everyone's collection is special! That's what makes this hobby so magical, am I right?", while out the other, there's a whole lot of "Need some S A L T?! Don't you know who I am?! How dare you question me?! Blocked!"
It's next to impossible to take the "community" crap at face value when he's so outwardly hostile to people 90% of the time.
I bought the lime Savage one because FACK paying more than $8 to $10 (tops!) for these things pre-shipping.
I'm also gonna tear it right out of the package because FACK what the fake-ass "market" around these things has become.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 8, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5
You can just say you’re a cult member. We don’t need to hear your life story. LOL definitely not my life story but since you asked so nicely. I am the same age as Cardona / Myers and never can understand the hate for them. I wish when I was a kid (as many of you are) that I could have interacted with a active Wrestler on television to talk about pro wrestling collecting. Also, as business owner myself, they are easy to register for. Your local county will usually do it for like $10 so like a 1/4 of a Micro Brawler. Go start a figure company like Zombie did, put in all the work and time, pay for all the likeness fees, then sell your figs at cost. I will support that model too! And then you can come back on here to read everyone complain about you. Defending the cult. Never saw that coming...
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Post by candymanwew on Feb 8, 2021 10:30:05 GMT -5
LOL definitely not my life story but since you asked so nicely. I am the same age as Cardona / Myers and never can understand the hate for them. I wish when I was a kid (as many of you are) that I could have interacted with a active Wrestler on television to talk about pro wrestling collecting. Also, as business owner myself, they are easy to register for. Your local county will usually do it for like $10 so like a 1/4 of a Micro Brawler. Go start a figure company like Zombie did, put in all the work and time, pay for all the likeness fees, then sell your figs at cost. I will support that model too! And then you can come back on here to read everyone complain about you. Defending the cult. Never saw that coming... 😂
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Feb 8, 2021 10:42:31 GMT -5
LOL I like how, out one side of his mouth, Broski will be like "C'mon, guys! We're a community! Everyone's collection is special! That's what makes this hobby so magical, am I right?", while out the other, there's a whole lot of "Need some S A L T?! Don't you know who I am?! How dare you question me?! Blocked!" It's next to impossible to take the "community" crap at face value when he's so outwardly hostile to people 90% of the time. I bought the lime Savage one because FACK paying more than $8 to $10 (tops!) for these things pre-shipping. I'm also gonna tear it right out of the package because FACK what the fake-ass "market" around these things has become. “Don’t you know who I am?” or anything similar has never came out of my mouth or typed by my fingers. My interaction with wrestling fans/figure fans on the internet is extremely positive. I am beyond grateful for my fans and the connection I’ve build with them. Your 90% hostility accusation is a bit of a head scratcher to me. Are there haters out there? Trust me...ABSOLUTELY. Do I get hateful/negative posts towards me every single day? Haha oh yeah...absolutely. It comes with the territory. Do I sometimes responded negatively to those negative post towards me? (Like your example of me posting AEW Chase figures next to a container of Salt) Guilty as charged...Yes I have. Two wrongs don’t make a right though. I’m glad you’re opening your Macho. I’m doing the same with mine. I also bought a set to keep them all MOC together. But I have absolutely no problem with anybody buying them looking to flip them. There are no rules to collecting. Everybody can do what they want with their money and their figures.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 8, 2021 10:43:11 GMT -5
LOL I like how, out one side of his mouth, Broski will be like "C'mon, guys! We're a community! Everyone's collection is special! That's what makes this hobby so magical, am I right?", while out the other, there's a whole lot of "Need some S A L T?! Don't you know who I am?! How dare you question me?! Blocked!" It's next to impossible to take the "community" crap at face value when he's so outwardly hostile to people 90% of the time. I bought the lime Savage one because FACK paying more than $8 to $10 (tops!) for these things pre-shipping. I'm also gonna tear it right out of the package because FACK what the fake-ass "market" around these things has become. I tore open my 1/150 Sheiky baby....its a hobby not an investment.
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Post by kiphouse on Feb 8, 2021 12:03:47 GMT -5
Didn't TK say he was the biggest man-baby he's ever met
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Post by stc13 on Feb 8, 2021 12:24:32 GMT -5
Just to try to steer this back on topic a bit...I think a good chunk of the market around Brawlers is coming from "non-collectors." A lot of us here (myself included) look at it as a value proposition between a 6in, highly articulated, painted figure at $20 or a hunk of colored PVC. But if you're coming into Brawlers as somebody either doesn't collect or hasn't collected since childhood, the price point might not be as big of a deal.
I think things like the MWFP have brought in a lot of new collectors. Which is a great thing. But I think people also need to take the initiative to understand the hobby and the fact values don't always go up, up, up. I've seen a lot of people rage quit hobbies when prices dip and they realize that their collection isn't the goldmine they expected.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 8, 2021 12:55:46 GMT -5
LOL I like how, out one side of his mouth, Broski will be like "C'mon, guys! We're a community! Everyone's collection is special! That's what makes this hobby so magical, am I right?", while out the other, there's a whole lot of "Need some S A L T?! Don't you know who I am?! How dare you question me?! Blocked!" It's next to impossible to take the "community" crap at face value when he's so outwardly hostile to people 90% of the time. I bought the lime Savage one because FACK paying more than $8 to $10 (tops!) for these things pre-shipping. I'm also gonna tear it right out of the package because FACK what the fake-ass "market" around these things has become. “Don’t you know who I am?” or anything similar has never came out of my mouth or typed by my fingers. My interaction with wrestling fans/figure fans on the internet is extremely positive. I am beyond grateful for my fans and the connection I’ve build with them. Your 90% hostility accusation is a bit of a head scratcher to me. Are there haters out there? Trust me...ABSOLUTELY. Do I get hateful/negative posts towards me every single day? Haha oh yeah...absolutely. It comes with the territory. Do I sometimes responded negatively to those negative post towards me? (Like your example of me posting AEW Chase figures next to a container of Salt) Guilty as charged...Yes I have. Two wrongs don’t make a right though.I’m glad you’re opening your Macho. I’m doing the same with mine. I also bought a set to keep them all MOC together. But I have absolutely no problem with anybody buying them looking to flip them. There are no rules to collecting. Everybody can do what they want with their money and their figures. The "two wrongs" idiom is usually used to admonish the second transgressor in a dispute, not the first. Excusing your retorts by throwing out "two wrongs" makes no sense, and only furthers my perception of you as largely antagonistic toward anyone who dares question you. I completely tuned out after you spent a good bit of time on your show really laying into members of the "community" that were pissing you off. To speak so much about how collecting is a "community", it's weird to me that you'd want to be so openly exclusionary to folks who harbor a perfectly human bit of resentment for the opportunity to get current line releases that they might otherwise never get the chance to even lay eyes on. My phrasing was pretty obviously hyperbolic, but it's still weird to me that you struggle to understand how anybody could paint you in a mostly negative light, given how willing you are to go at people so hard over things that "come with the territory".
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Post by crush on Feb 8, 2021 13:21:29 GMT -5
I’m sorry you feel that way. There are more companies making wrestling figures and wrestling figure accessories than ever before. Some big time companies...some much smaller. There are more collectors than ever before. That is an incredible thing. The hobby that we all love is booming and growing...the total opposite of killing the very thing we all love. I would love to take 100% credit for that. But I cannot. Does the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast have some influence? Yes. And I’m proud of that. I’m proud that we are helping break the stigma of adults collecting figures. I’m proud we got people to buy back what they had as a kid. I am proud we got people to buy what they never had as a kid. I am proud we got people who never collected a figure in their life to buy figures. I do not agree that that is a false inflation of figs. We are not in the wrestling figure business. We are in the nostalgia business. People can’t get in a time machine. But they can go on eBay and buy a certain figure they had or one they never had. As for some Brawlers going for triple digits but the cost being 2 dollars...please look into sports cards. Old and current. Some cards go for hundreds and some go for THOUSANDS of dollars. I promise you a sports card costs way less than 2 dollars to make. Based on the tone of your last message, I can that we just aren’t going to agree and that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours. I think timing is everything. Collectibles have been trending up for a few years now, even before your pod, and there has really been a huge boom in the past year due to some of the crazy factors around COVID. Which isn't to say that you don't deserve some credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) for interest in wrestling figures and you've done a really smart job of cultivating a fanbase and monetizing it. But these trends have definitely been there for some time, and COVID sort of threw things into an economic bizarro world. Cards are a really relevant comparison point, especially to Brawlers since Topps has been using a print to order model for years now. But having seen the way comics and cards cratered in the 90's in ways that took a long time to recover from and nearly killed the industry, I'm hoping some of those pitfalls can be avoided this time around. Ironically I think the issues that most of us are frustrated with (distribution, availability, etc) that are causing prices to spike in modern toys are also the same factors that I think will prevent it from being hit as hard as some collectibles when things inevitably correct. I’ve been thinking about this a lot the last two days, and came into this thread to write a long list on my thoughts about it... that was basically going to be exactly the same as this LMFAO. My issue with the release had to do with the shipping, as I said here several times on the day of. I didn’t mind the one new Macho every two hours, but I feel like there could have been some kind of shipping bundle option tied with your account. I don’t know the technical feasibility, but IMO something could have been worked out. If for nothing else than optics. As for Brawlers and wrestling figures overall, I think one has to really be in a bubble to blame the Major Pod for the price explosion in the hobby. Have they brought in new collectors? Yes, of course. But things have been spiking this way way with collectibles for years now. Wrestling figures, other action figures, cards, comics, and of course Pops (who Micro Brawlers share their appeal with) have been popping for almost a decade now, since adult collecting really moved into the realm of “acceptable”. Anyone who’s attended a comic con or really watched the prices can see that. COVID has only quickened that.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Feb 8, 2021 13:22:27 GMT -5
“Don’t you know who I am?” or anything similar has never came out of my mouth or typed by my fingers. My interaction with wrestling fans/figure fans on the internet is extremely positive. I am beyond grateful for my fans and the connection I’ve build with them. Your 90% hostility accusation is a bit of a head scratcher to me. Are there haters out there? Trust me...ABSOLUTELY. Do I get hateful/negative posts towards me every single day? Haha oh yeah...absolutely. It comes with the territory. Do I sometimes responded negatively to those negative post towards me? (Like your example of me posting AEW Chase figures next to a container of Salt) Guilty as charged...Yes I have. Two wrongs don’t make a right though.I’m glad you’re opening your Macho. I’m doing the same with mine. I also bought a set to keep them all MOC together. But I have absolutely no problem with anybody buying them looking to flip them. There are no rules to collecting. Everybody can do what they want with their money and their figures. The "two wrongs" idiom is usually used to admonish the second transgressor in a dispute, not the first. Excusing your retorts by throwing out "two wrongs" makes no sense, and only furthers my perception of you as largely antagonistic toward anyone who dares question you. I completely tuned out after you spent a good bit of time on your show really laying into members of the "community" that were pissing you off. To speak so much about how collecting is a "community", it's weird to me that you'd want to be so openly exclusionary to folks who harbor a perfectly human bit of resentment for the opportunity to get current line releases that they might otherwise never get the chance to even lay eyes on. My phrasing was pretty obviously hyperbolic, but it's still weird to me that you struggle to understand how anybody could paint you in a mostly negative light, given how willing you are to go at people so hard over things that "come with the territory". You obviously missed the point of the entire post. Me responding to negative comments/people is not right. I am saying I am wrong.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 8, 2021 13:48:07 GMT -5
I think timing is everything. Collectibles have been trending up for a few years now, even before your pod, and there has really been a huge boom in the past year due to some of the crazy factors around COVID. Which isn't to say that you don't deserve some credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) for interest in wrestling figures and you've done a really smart job of cultivating a fanbase and monetizing it. But these trends have definitely been there for some time, and COVID sort of threw things into an economic bizarro world. Cards are a really relevant comparison point, especially to Brawlers since Topps has been using a print to order model for years now. But having seen the way comics and cards cratered in the 90's in ways that took a long time to recover from and nearly killed the industry, I'm hoping some of those pitfalls can be avoided this time around. Ironically I think the issues that most of us are frustrated with (distribution, availability, etc) that are causing prices to spike in modern toys are also the same factors that I think will prevent it from being hit as hard as some collectibles when things inevitably correct. I’ve been thinking about this a lot the last two days, and came into this thread to write a long list on my thoughts about it... that was basically going to be exactly the same as this LMFAO. My issue with the release had to do with the shipping, as I said here several times on the day of. I didn’t mind the one new Macho every two hours, but I feel like there could have been some kind of shipping bundle option tied with your account. I don’t know the technical feasibility, but IMO something could have been worked out. If for nothing else than optics. As for Brawlers and wrestling figures overall, I think one has to really be in a bubble to blame the Major Pod for the price explosion in the hobby. Have they brought in new collectors? Yes, of course. But things have been spiking this way way with collectibles for years now. Wrestling figures, other action figures, cards, comics, and of course Pops (who Micro Brawlers share their appeal with) have been popping for almost a decade now, since adult collecting really moved into the realm of “acceptable”. Anyone who’s attended a comic con or really watched the prices can see that. COVID has only quickened that. Maybe it makes sense to make an "economics of collecting" thread somewhere for a catch-all discussion. I think it's a topic that deserves its own discussion. There are just so many factors at play right now. But COVID really created this perfect storm where suddenly there are a lot of folks who are fortunate to be working, and cut off from basically any hobby or interest that involved leaving the house, with money burning a hole in their pocked, while obviously there are millions of people really struggling to make ends meet day to day. I'll gladly offer up the AEW board if anyone wants to continue a more macro level discussion so we don't clog up the Brawler thread.
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