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Post by guster on Feb 19, 2021 13:21:02 GMT -5
GREAT post. A lot of people are going to be out a lot of money with not much on their hands...
They'll have exactly what they paid for - some fun 3 inch PVC figures. I've always been a big believe that you should collect assuming everything will be absolutely worthless. Which is to say put your money in 401k, IRAs, etc and save for the future. If you've got some fun money and want to speculate in collectibles, knock yourself out. But I've seen people burned way too many times thinking their collectibles were their retirement fund. Unfortunately I agree with you that from what I've seen, a lot of the Brawler crowd are probably going to end up on the wrong side of this. There are literally dozens of stories of people losing their life savings or kids' college funds from "investing" in Beanie Babies. You just have to be smart about it. It's like day-trading or gambling. Never spend or gamble what you aren't willing to lose. I'm not going to lie...I bought an extra Undertaker and Kane DOD figure to sit on for a year or two to flip. But my speculation is based on years of seeing one-off Kane figures triple and quadruple in value on the secondary market. But if they don't go up in value, I'm out $40 tops.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 19, 2021 14:58:29 GMT -5
They'll have exactly what they paid for - some fun 3 inch PVC figures. I've always been a big believe that you should collect assuming everything will be absolutely worthless. Which is to say put your money in 401k, IRAs, etc and save for the future. If you've got some fun money and want to speculate in collectibles, knock yourself out. But I've seen people burned way too many times thinking their collectibles were their retirement fund. Unfortunately I agree with you that from what I've seen, a lot of the Brawler crowd are probably going to end up on the wrong side of this. There are literally dozens of stories of people losing their life savings or kids' college funds from "investing" in Beanie Babies. You just have to be smart about it. It's like day-trading or gambling. Never spend or gamble what you aren't willing to lose. I'm not going to lie...I bought an extra Undertaker and Kane DOD figure to sit on for a year or two to flip. But my speculation is based on years of seeing one-off Kane figures triple and quadruple in value on the secondary market. But if they don't go up in value, I'm out $40 tops. I cant wait until this current action figure bubble to pop and they will be as worthless as Beanie Babies, 90s Toybiz Marvel or Jakks BCAs.
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Post by WOOOOOO on Feb 19, 2021 15:50:00 GMT -5
There are literally dozens of stories of people losing their life savings or kids' college funds from "investing" in Beanie Babies. You just have to be smart about it. It's like day-trading or gambling. Never spend or gamble what you aren't willing to lose. I'm not going to lie...I bought an extra Undertaker and Kane DOD figure to sit on for a year or two to flip. But my speculation is based on years of seeing one-off Kane figures triple and quadruple in value on the secondary market. But if they don't go up in value, I'm out $40 tops. I cant wait until this current action figure bubble to pop and they will be as worthless as Beanie Babies, 90s Toybiz Marvel or Jakks BCAs. Why would this ever slow down?? Beanie babies were always a joke. Made no sense even during the high point. Random stuffed creatures with no tie to anything. Your saying items with major links to huge pop culture elements are all of a sudden going to be worthless. It makes no sense because people relate to those properties and they hold a strong place within them. That's why the merch sells so well to begin with. Same argument as people that say Funkos are the new beanie babies. Not even close to comparison. Maybe a product here and there will die out but entire industries??? Think again. Just because the people on here cry about a figure being $2 more than they think it should be doesn't mean there are not thousands of other people ready and eager to pay for those items.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 19, 2021 16:02:33 GMT -5
They'll have exactly what they paid for - some fun 3 inch PVC figures. I've always been a big believe that you should collect assuming everything will be absolutely worthless. Which is to say put your money in 401k, IRAs, etc and save for the future. If you've got some fun money and want to speculate in collectibles, knock yourself out. But I've seen people burned way too many times thinking their collectibles were their retirement fund. Unfortunately I agree with you that from what I've seen, a lot of the Brawler crowd are probably going to end up on the wrong side of this. There are literally dozens of stories of people losing their life savings or kids' college funds from "investing" in Beanie Babies. You just have to be smart about it. It's like day-trading or gambling. Never spend or gamble what you aren't willing to lose. I'm not going to lie...I bought an extra Undertaker and Kane DOD figure to sit on for a year or two to flip. But my speculation is based on years of seeing one-off Kane figures triple and quadruple in value on the secondary market. But if they don't go up in value, I'm out $40 tops. Totally agreed. I've seen people lose their home, wife, kids - everything - blowing their paycheck on baseball cards. If you're in a financially secure position, have a balanced portfolio, etc - it can be fun to see how things appreciate. I actually did the same with DoD Kane, because like you said - his figures all seem to hold interest. But I also wouldn't lose any sleep if somehow the figure became worthless and I was out $20. Some of these Brawler collectors have a few grand into their collections and think the market will go up and up forever. Collectibles are like fashion - everything has an expiration date, but if you wait long enough, it'll become "vintage" and come right back around again.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 19, 2021 16:05:28 GMT -5
I cant wait until this current action figure bubble to pop and they will be as worthless as Beanie Babies, 90s Toybiz Marvel or Jakks BCAs. Why would this ever slow down?? Beanie babies were always a joke. Made no sense even during the high point. Random stuffed creatures with no tie to anything. Your saying items with major links to huge pop culture elements are all of a sudden going to be worthless. It makes no sense because people relate to those properties and they hold a strong place within them. That's why the merch sells so well to begin with. Same argument as people that say Funkos are the new beanie babies. Not even close to comparison. Maybe a product here and there will die out but entire industries??? Think again. Just because the people on here cry about a figure being $2 more than they think it should be doesn't mean there are not thousands of other people ready and eager to pay for those items. I just said I hope it will. I don't think it actually will anytime soon. But there seems to be a lot of bandwagon collectors and things will slow down when they decide to jump off the hobby.
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Feb 19, 2021 16:51:12 GMT -5
I've mentioned before that most of what I collect for Micro Brawlers is wrestlers who've been in AEW, plus All In (which I personally consider the unofficial start of AEW). So I thought I'd put together a checklist of everything you could consider an AEW Micro Brawler or close enough. Let me know if I missed anything!
Official AEW Micro Brawlers Brodie Lee Chris Jericho Darby Allin Dr. Britt Baker, DMD Hikaru Shida Jon Moxley MJF Orange Cassidy
Non-AEW Micro Brawlers Billy Gunn Brandi Rhodes Brian Cage Christopher Daniels Cody Colt Cabana Dustin Rhodes Frankie Kazarian Hangman Adam Page Jim Ross Kenny Omega Matt Jackson Nick Jackson Penta El Zero M Rey Fenix Scorpio Sky
Sort-Of AEW (Had a single match, or a cameo, or whatever) Doc Gallows Jeff Cobb Matt Cardona Smart Mark Sterling Swoggle Tenille Dashwood Tommy Dreamer
Retro Micro Brawlers (Worked with AEW, maybe only as a cameo) Arn Anderson Bret Hart Jake The Snake Roberts Taz Vickie Guerrero
All In Micro Brawlers Bandido Cheeseburger Chelsea Green Flip Gordon Ian Riccaboni Jay Briscoe Jay Lethal Jordynne Grace Kota Ibushi Kazuchika Okada Madison Rayne Mark Briscoe Marty Scurll Moose Tessa Blanchard
All In Cameo Micro Brawlers (People who were on the show but only in a cameo role) Dalton Castle Joey Ryan Mandy Leon Road Warrior Animal
Being The Elite Micro Brawlers Burnard the Business Bear Fat Ass Masa
Sort-Of AEW Pint Size All Stars Brian Pillman Jr Robert Ego Anthony
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Post by crush on Feb 19, 2021 18:44:45 GMT -5
I must say, while not I design I felt I needed, this Vader is cool in person. Also, did every order come with the protective case? I specifically never check it off when it's an option.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 12:50:25 GMT -5
Mine came with protective case and in a nice bubble sleeve, fragile sticker on the box. Well done pwt! It’s Vader time!
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 20, 2021 13:03:45 GMT -5
Guess Im the only one that tears these bitches open no matter the production count? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 13:08:59 GMT -5
Guess Im the only one that tears these bitches open no matter the production count? LOL I will, a crate chase is probably one I’d keep moc
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Post by crush on Feb 20, 2021 14:00:26 GMT -5
Guess Im the only one that tears these bitches open no matter the production count? LOL Nah I open them. I might keep one of the Savages MOC just to add some spice to my display. A crate chase would probably be the only other thing I’d keep on card.
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Post by stc13 on Feb 20, 2021 14:31:57 GMT -5
Same here - I open everything. My Angle and Impact figures are still on card, but that's just because I need to order another stand to fit the rest of my collection.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:51:30 GMT -5
I can’t believe how many Vader’s are already up on eBay. Not fetching too much, after shipping and fees people really waited these few months just to make $5 smh
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 21, 2021 14:51:25 GMT -5
Guess Im the only one that tears these bitches open no matter the production count? LOL I've only ever purchased one of the "carded" ones (lime-colored Savage), but all of my old bagged ones are open, and he will be too. From what I've seen, PWT is so inconsistent in the packaging of these things being free of creases and sh*t, so I can't see any real sense in keeping them carded anyway.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 21, 2021 15:15:38 GMT -5
Guess Im the only one that tears these bitches open no matter the production count? LOL I've only ever purchased one of the "carded" ones (lime-colored Savage), but all of my old bagged ones are open, and he will be too. From what I've seen, PWT is so inconsistent in the packaging of these things being free of creases and sh*t, so I can't see any real sense in keeping them carded anyway. Both Vaders I bought (one for me & one for brother) were creased...the Sheik was creased..I just rip n go
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Post by mrh on Feb 22, 2021 3:51:42 GMT -5
I can’t believe how many Vader’s are already up on eBay. Not fetching too much, after shipping and fees people really waited these few months just to make $5 smh
Pathetic. Though I imagine people are making a killing by exploiting the Owen Hart microbrawler...
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Post by shanieomaniac on Feb 22, 2021 8:19:14 GMT -5
I can’t believe how many Vader’s are already up on eBay. Not fetching too much, after shipping and fees people really waited these few months just to make $5 smh
Pathetic. Though I imagine people are making a killing by exploiting the Owen Hart microbrawler...
Responding to this and the entire "Investing in collectibles" notion. Don't. Just DON'T. Investing in toys is not like coin collecting. It never will be like coin collecting. Coins are dated and, once that year ends, they will never be made again. History doesn't change, once it's written, it's permanent. Nothing that occurs in 2021 is going to alter the events of the Civil War, if you get my drift. If you buy a super rare historical coin as an investment, you're much more likely to see your investment returned with interest than, say, the rookie card of some guy who happens to be hot this year. People who think that they can fund their retirement with baseball cards, action figures, beanie babies, etc, they're all fools. The market for collectibles is far too volatile and unpredictable. On top of that, due to crazy people who have no concept of what stuff is worth, you get examples like how RIGHT NOW there is a seller from Japan on ebay selling a MOC Blue Blazer figure for 600 US dollars... but about a week ago, someone paid less than 50 dollars for the same figure shipped, won at an auction. And that's for an action figure that is a 100% guarantee that we are NEVER GETTING AGAIN.
These people love to think that paying 50 dollars for a chase figure now means you can sell it for 500 down the line. There's no promise of that and there never will be.
I have a darling mother who loves to bother me daily about how one day, when I die, she's not going to know how much to sell my figures for as I've never made a "Value Database". I've tried to tell her a hundred ways in a thousand different words that you literally CANNOT MAKE ONE. No figure's value is set in stone. You could have been someone who bought a ML Black panther figure in July 2020 for 20 dollars, and sold it for 200 in September. Or you could be someone like me who bought four TTL7 Stephanie figures that now go for about 15 dollars a piece, 20 years later. There's no guarantee whatsoever. It isn't an investment, you're dealing with a hyper-volatile market here. Anyone with a brain for money will tell you that you don't build a portfolio strictly made of high risk items. It's a fools errand and all you'll do is wind up broke.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 22, 2021 13:43:46 GMT -5
Pathetic. Though I imagine people are making a killing by exploiting the Owen Hart microbrawler...
Responding to this and the entire "Investing in collectibles" notion. Don't. Just DON'T. Investing in toys is not like coin collecting. It never will be like coin collecting. Coins are dated and, once that year ends, they will never be made again. History doesn't change, once it's written, it's permanent. Nothing that occurs in 2021 is going to alter the events of the Civil War, if you get my drift. If you buy a super rare historical coin as an investment, you're much more likely to see your investment returned with interest than, say, the rookie card of some guy who happens to be hot this year. People who think that they can fund their retirement with baseball cards, action figures, beanie babies, etc, they're all fools. The market for collectibles is far too volatile and unpredictable. On top of that, due to crazy people who have no concept of what stuff is worth, you get examples like how RIGHT NOW there is a seller from Japan on ebay selling a MOC Blue Blazer figure for 600 US dollars... but about a week ago, someone paid less than 50 dollars for the same figure shipped, won at an auction. And that's for an action figure that is a 100% guarantee that we are NEVER GETTING AGAIN.
These people love to think that paying 50 dollars for a chase figure now means you can sell it for 500 down the line. There's no promise of that and there never will be.
I have a darling mother who loves to bother me daily about how one day, when I die, she's not going to know how much to sell my figures for as I've never made a "Value Database". I've tried to tell her a hundred ways in a thousand different words that you literally CANNOT MAKE ONE. No figure's value is set in stone. You could have been someone who bought a ML Black panther figure in July 2020 for 20 dollars, and sold it for 200 in September. Or you could be someone like me who bought four TTL7 Stephanie figures that now go for about 15 dollars a piece, 20 years later. There's no guarantee whatsoever. It isn't an investment, you're dealing with a hyper-volatile market here. Anyone with a brain for money will tell you that you don't build a portfolio strictly made of high risk items. It's a fools errand and all you'll do is wind up broke.
If there was ever a time to sell your action figure collection and get the most money for it, it is now. SELL SELL SELL!!!
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 22, 2021 15:11:08 GMT -5
Responding to this and the entire "Investing in collectibles" notion. Don't. Just DON'T. Investing in toys is not like coin collecting. It never will be like coin collecting. Coins are dated and, once that year ends, they will never be made again. History doesn't change, once it's written, it's permanent. Nothing that occurs in 2021 is going to alter the events of the Civil War, if you get my drift. If you buy a super rare historical coin as an investment, you're much more likely to see your investment returned with interest than, say, the rookie card of some guy who happens to be hot this year. People who think that they can fund their retirement with baseball cards, action figures, beanie babies, etc, they're all fools. The market for collectibles is far too volatile and unpredictable. On top of that, due to crazy people who have no concept of what stuff is worth, you get examples like how RIGHT NOW there is a seller from Japan on ebay selling a MOC Blue Blazer figure for 600 US dollars... but about a week ago, someone paid less than 50 dollars for the same figure shipped, won at an auction. And that's for an action figure that is a 100% guarantee that we are NEVER GETTING AGAIN.
These people love to think that paying 50 dollars for a chase figure now means you can sell it for 500 down the line. There's no promise of that and there never will be.
I have a darling mother who loves to bother me daily about how one day, when I die, she's not going to know how much to sell my figures for as I've never made a "Value Database". I've tried to tell her a hundred ways in a thousand different words that you literally CANNOT MAKE ONE. No figure's value is set in stone. You could have been someone who bought a ML Black panther figure in July 2020 for 20 dollars, and sold it for 200 in September. Or you could be someone like me who bought four TTL7 Stephanie figures that now go for about 15 dollars a piece, 20 years later. There's no guarantee whatsoever. It isn't an investment, you're dealing with a hyper-volatile market here. Anyone with a brain for money will tell you that you don't build a portfolio strictly made of high risk items. It's a fools errand and all you'll do is wind up broke.
If there was ever a time to sell your action figure collection and get the most money for it, it is now. SELL SELL SELL!!! Sure...if you've got hands made of paper. This is not fignancial advice. I just like the figs.
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Post by mrh on Feb 23, 2021 4:06:50 GMT -5
Responding to this and the entire "Investing in collectibles" notion. Don't. Just DON'T. Investing in toys is not like coin collecting. It never will be like coin collecting. Coins are dated and, once that year ends, they will never be made again. History doesn't change, once it's written, it's permanent. Nothing that occurs in 2021 is going to alter the events of the Civil War, if you get my drift. If you buy a super rare historical coin as an investment, you're much more likely to see your investment returned with interest than, say, the rookie card of some guy who happens to be hot this year. People who think that they can fund their retirement with baseball cards, action figures, beanie babies, etc, they're all fools. The market for collectibles is far too volatile and unpredictable. On top of that, due to crazy people who have no concept of what stuff is worth, you get examples like how RIGHT NOW there is a seller from Japan on ebay selling a MOC Blue Blazer figure for 600 US dollars... but about a week ago, someone paid less than 50 dollars for the same figure shipped, won at an auction. And that's for an action figure that is a 100% guarantee that we are NEVER GETTING AGAIN.
These people love to think that paying 50 dollars for a chase figure now means you can sell it for 500 down the line. There's no promise of that and there never will be.
I have a darling mother who loves to bother me daily about how one day, when I die, she's not going to know how much to sell my figures for as I've never made a "Value Database". I've tried to tell her a hundred ways in a thousand different words that you literally CANNOT MAKE ONE. No figure's value is set in stone. You could have been someone who bought a ML Black panther figure in July 2020 for 20 dollars, and sold it for 200 in September. Or you could be someone like me who bought four TTL7 Stephanie figures that now go for about 15 dollars a piece, 20 years later. There's no guarantee whatsoever. It isn't an investment, you're dealing with a hyper-volatile market here. Anyone with a brain for money will tell you that you don't build a portfolio strictly made of high risk items. It's a fools errand and all you'll do is wind up broke.
If there was ever a time to sell your action figure collection and get the most money for it, it is now. SELL SELL SELL!!!
I totally agree. I'm trying to get rid of a lot right now. Only thing I don't want to sell are my Hasbros though -- which are the biggest bank...
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