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Post by TheSneakerBoki on Mar 2, 2018 11:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by dirtyrandy on Mar 2, 2018 12:47:09 GMT -5
I definitely get both sides on this issue. On the one hand, it does suck for someone that likes collecting highly accurate action figures, especially if Simmons was high on their list. We can all look at it and wonder why they used that particular torso. My only guess is that this particular torso is cost effective, which is what they want in a lower quantity figure.
On the other hand, I'm just happy to be getting a Ron Simmons. Is it a perfect figure? No. But, as a collector I can certainly say it's not even close to the most egregious production. In my eyes, the figure justifies the price tag. Maybe you'll call me part of the problem. Which, fine, I guess I am.
On the issue of set recipes? Of course there are. Every Cena is pretty much the same. That makes it easier to churn one out every few sets. If there wasn't a set recipe, maybe KO would have better arms. It does get annoying, but I just don't see what we can do. A boycott from the people on this forum isn't enough to affect Mattel's bottom line. And knowing Bill, I'm sure he'd want every figure to be absolutely perfect, but there's not much he can do about it since he has a boss, too.
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Post by East Coast on Mar 2, 2018 14:42:54 GMT -5
my number one complaint about these figures is, the bonehead mistakes. They make so many good figures, that when they screw up it sticks out like a sore thumb. One of the best parts of this figure line is scale. And scale doesn't just mean height.
*When ur giving Boogeyman & Faarooq the wrong skintone, why isn't there someone else on the design team thats going...."Hey, thats wrong"
*When ur giving Jinder Mahal who is jacked but only 240lbs and slim......a Bluetista torso made for someone who is nearly 300lbs and wide as a house. Where is the person to step in and say, "That doesn't look accurate. That torso is too big"
*You see that The Revival are thique....but instead they get torsos that a 2010 Cody Rhodes got? Sami Zayn is like a couple more poutines away from being fat, and he's getting the same torso used on Justin Gabriels elite?
*As a one off individual figure. The Kurt Angle elites look pretty good. But when u look at them in scale to the other figures...its puzzling. Who looked at Kurt Angle @ WM 19 and thought to themselves, "he looks jacked to the gills, lets make him huge". You have legs with molded singlet shorts on them you could've used. But nope, lets paint on the shorts onto these huge shredded legs that aren't appropriate for him.
*You look at a picture of Rocker Shawn Michaels...and you see he wears short open kneepads, but give his figure the long knee supports?. Why give him the wrong kneepads? Who does that help? Is it just that its cheaper to use those kneepads? Or did nobody notice? Because i think thats what bothers and concerns collerctors. The thought that the ppl making the figures didn't even notice an obvious detail like that.
*Why does a longsleeve Jeff Hardy have to get the same tanktop torso as the EG? Who decided that its better to paint a long sleeve shirt over a tanktop torso instead of giving him a different torso? Or just not doing the figure until u can do it correctly? Is it so costly to put a different torso on those jeff hardy pants? Or is it the keeping the same torso with the same legs makes it less likely that the ppl at the factory will screw it up?
*When choosing an attire for the new Matt hardy elite. Why choose an attire that you can't properly do? Ok i understand that attire done correctly would be more deco and costly, so why not choose a different Matt Hardy attire? Why is the decision to instead make him in the inaccurate kelly green pants? Why is that the decision? Where is the person that steps in and says, "hey guys why don't we choose one of his other looks that we can do accurately instead of giving him the wrong color green pants with no deco on them"
Like 80% of the elites Mattel makes are good to great. But that other 20 could be easily avoided. I think thats where the biggest frustration comes from. Is that these are common sense mistakes.
obviously i don't understand the budget, the behind the scenes conversations, dealing with Chinese factories, deadlines, contracts, having to design like 50 figures at the same time or whatever. Just speaking from a collector point of view. From someone who spent thousands of dollars on these figures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 15:03:41 GMT -5
Ok so when did Mattel start saying their figures were 1/12 scale? Didn't check to see if this was answered already, but there's a lot of misconceptions about the line and it's scale. It's approximately 1:10, not 1:12. A Mattel Rey Mysterio is around six inches, maybe taller. It's comparable to Hasbro's Marvel Legends "Bucky Cap" body, which is a line that's also too big to be really 1:12. The scale is definitely not 1:10, the Brock Lesnar figure i had to hand is 7 inches, meaning he'd be a tad over 5ft using the 1:10 scale
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 2, 2018 17:09:11 GMT -5
This is a six page thread about a toy's body parts. It’s called a toy forum, not sure what you were expecting, are you lost?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 17:38:28 GMT -5
my number one complaint about these figures is, the bonehead mistakes. They make so many good figures, that when they screw up it sticks out like a sore thumb. One of the best parts of this figure line is scale. And scale doesn't just mean height. *When ur giving Boogeyman & Faarooq the wrong skintone, why isn't there someone else on the design team thats going...."Hey, thats wrong" *When ur giving Jinder Mahal who is jacked but only 240lbs and slim......a Bluetista torso made for someone who is nearly 300lbs and wide as a house. Where is the person to step in and say, "That doesn't look accurate. That torso is too big" *You see that The Revival are thique....but instead they get torsos that a 2010 Cody Rhodes got? Sami Zayn is like a couple more poutines away from being fat, and he's getting the same torso used on Justin Gabriels elite? *As a one off individual figure. The Kurt Angle elites look pretty good. But when u look at them in scale to the other figures...its puzzling. Who looked at Kurt Angle @ WM 19 and thought to themselves, "he looks jacked to the gills, lets make him huge". You have legs with molded singlet shorts on them you could've used. But nope, lets paint on the shorts onto these huge shredded legs that aren't appropriate for him. *You look at a picture of Rocker Shawn Michaels...and you see he wears short open kneepads, but give his figure the long knee supports?. Why give him the wrong kneepads? Who does that help? Is it just that its cheaper to use those kneepads? Or did nobody notice? Because i think thats what bothers and concerns collerctors. The thought that the ppl making the figures didn't even notice an obvious detail like that. *Why does a longsleeve Jeff Hardy have to get the same tanktop torso as the EG? Who decided that its better to paint a long sleeve shirt over a tanktop torso instead of giving him a different torso? Or just not doing the figure until u can do it correctly? Is it so costly to put a different torso on those jeff hardy pants? Or is it the keeping the same torso with the same legs makes it less likely that the ppl at the factory will screw it up? *When choosing an attire for the new Matt hardy elite. Why choose an attire that you can't properly do? Ok i understand that attire done correctly would be more deco and costly, so why not choose a different Matt Hardy attire? Why is the decision to instead make him in the inaccurate kelly green pants? Why is that the decision? Where is the person that steps in and says, "hey guys why don't we choose one of his other looks that we can do accurately instead of giving him the wrong color green pants with no deco on them" Like 80% of the elites Mattel makes are good to great. But that other 20 could be easily avoided. I think thats where the biggest frustration comes from. Is that these are common sense mistakes. obviously i don't understand the budget, the behind the scenes conversations, dealing with Chinese factories, deadlines, contracts, having to design like 50 figures at the same time or whatever. Just speaking from a collector point of view. From someone who spent thousands of dollars on these figures. Well said, and i gotta say, i really hope if they ever get the rights to hollywood hogan again that they scrap the idea of giving him this torso. I dont know how a man can go from the size of his d.m figure to the size of the h.o.f figure (the stupid sheamus torso) then his bones grow as he ages to the size of the e34 torso. If they ever revisit that figure i would hope they would use the e34 torso instead.
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Post by enigmafigs on Mar 2, 2018 19:09:12 GMT -5
Apollo’s torso would be to lean. From straight on it looks wide, but from the profile it is leaner than the Flair torso they used. And the Batista torso would be to ripped. Maybe I would have used the Austin torso? But maybe that torso with the legs they have to use would put his height out of scale? Austin torso is way too skinny. Hogan or Ezekiel Jackson torsos would fit best I would think.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Mar 2, 2018 19:17:06 GMT -5
my number one complaint about these figures is, the bonehead mistakes. They make so many good figures, that when they screw up it sticks out like a sore thumb. One of the best parts of this figure line is scale. And scale doesn't just mean height. *When ur giving Boogeyman & Faarooq the wrong skintone, why isn't there someone else on the design team thats going...."Hey, thats wrong" *When ur giving Jinder Mahal who is jacked but only 240lbs and slim......a Bluetista torso made for someone who is nearly 300lbs and wide as a house. Where is the person to step in and say, "That doesn't look accurate. That torso is too big" *You see that The Revival are thique....but instead they get torsos that a 2010 Cody Rhodes got? Sami Zayn is like a couple more poutines away from being fat, and he's getting the same torso used on Justin Gabriels elite? *As a one off individual figure. The Kurt Angle elites look pretty good. But when u look at them in scale to the other figures...its puzzling. Who looked at Kurt Angle @ WM 19 and thought to themselves, "he looks jacked to the gills, lets make him huge". You have legs with molded singlet shorts on them you could've used. But nope, lets paint on the shorts onto these huge shredded legs that aren't appropriate for him. *You look at a picture of Rocker Shawn Michaels...and you see he wears short open kneepads, but give his figure the long knee supports?. Why give him the wrong kneepads? Who does that help? Is it just that its cheaper to use those kneepads? Or did nobody notice? Because i think thats what bothers and concerns collerctors. The thought that the ppl making the figures didn't even notice an obvious detail like that. *Why does a longsleeve Jeff Hardy have to get the same tanktop torso as the EG? Who decided that its better to paint a long sleeve shirt over a tanktop torso instead of giving him a different torso? Or just not doing the figure until u can do it correctly? Is it so costly to put a different torso on those jeff hardy pants? Or is it the keeping the same torso with the same legs makes it less likely that the ppl at the factory will screw it up? *When choosing an attire for the new Matt hardy elite. Why choose an attire that you can't properly do? Ok i understand that attire done correctly would be more deco and costly, so why not choose a different Matt Hardy attire? Why is the decision to instead make him in the inaccurate kelly green pants? Why is that the decision? Where is the person that steps in and says, "hey guys why don't we choose one of his other looks that we can do accurately instead of giving him the wrong color green pants with no deco on them" Like 80% of the elites Mattel makes are good to great. But that other 20 could be easily avoided. I think thats where the biggest frustration comes from. Is that these are common sense mistakes. obviously i don't understand the budget, the behind the scenes conversations, dealing with Chinese factories, deadlines, contracts, having to design like 50 figures at the same time or whatever. Just speaking from a collector point of view. From someone who spent thousands of dollars on these figures. Well said, and i gotta say, i really hope if they ever get the rights to hollywood hogan again that they scrap the idea of giving him this torso. I dont know how a man can go from the size of his d.m figure to the size of the h.o.f figure (the stupid sheamus torso) then his bones grow as he ages to the size of the e34 torso. If they ever revisit that figure i would hope they would use the e34 torso instead. I can't possibly agree with the bolded more than I already do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 19:24:04 GMT -5
Didn't check to see if this was answered already, but there's a lot of misconceptions about the line and it's scale. It's approximately 1:10, not 1:12. A Mattel Rey Mysterio is around six inches, maybe taller. It's comparable to Hasbro's Marvel Legends "Bucky Cap" body, which is a line that's also too big to be really 1:12. The scale is definitely not 1:10, the Brock Lesnar figure i had to hand is 7 inches, meaning he'd be a tad over 5ft using the 1:10 scale At 7", a Lesnar figure is closer to 1:11 than 1:10, but the line is generally "7 inch scale" which typically refers to 1:10. It's far from perfect though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 19:30:28 GMT -5
Oh. And something I don't think anyone has mentioned: there definitely is weight to the spreadsheet theory just based on how toys are made and the nature of the molds. Anyone that's put together a plastic model has seen this: Now, it's possible that they just have a separate tool for each body part, and they probably do in some cases, but it's more likely that different parts share actual physical molds. That's how you end up with strange things like skintone arms or hands being painted completely black rather than having those pieces molded in the appropriate color.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 2, 2018 20:42:57 GMT -5
I'm more disappointed that they use the tank top mold on most Jeff Hardy's. It ruins the figures for me.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Mar 2, 2018 21:01:39 GMT -5
my number one complaint about these figures is, the bonehead mistakes. They make so many good figures, that when they screw up it sticks out like a sore thumb. One of the best parts of this figure line is scale. And scale doesn't just mean height. *When ur giving Boogeyman & Faarooq the wrong skintone, why isn't there someone else on the design team thats going...."Hey, thats wrong" *When ur giving Jinder Mahal who is jacked but only 240lbs and slim......a Bluetista torso made for someone who is nearly 300lbs and wide as a house. Where is the person to step in and say, "That doesn't look accurate. That torso is too big" *You see that The Revival are thique....but instead they get torsos that a 2010 Cody Rhodes got? Sami Zayn is like a couple more poutines away from being fat, and he's getting the same torso used on Justin Gabriels elite? *As a one off individual figure. The Kurt Angle elites look pretty good. But when u look at them in scale to the other figures...its puzzling. Who looked at Kurt Angle @ WM 19 and thought to themselves, "he looks jacked to the gills, lets make him huge". You have legs with molded singlet shorts on them you could've used. But nope, lets paint on the shorts onto these huge shredded legs that aren't appropriate for him. *You look at a picture of Rocker Shawn Michaels...and you see he wears short open kneepads, but give his figure the long knee supports?. Why give him the wrong kneepads? Who does that help? Is it just that its cheaper to use those kneepads? Or did nobody notice? Because i think thats what bothers and concerns collerctors. The thought that the ppl making the figures didn't even notice an obvious detail like that. *Why does a longsleeve Jeff Hardy have to get the same tanktop torso as the EG? Who decided that its better to paint a long sleeve shirt over a tanktop torso instead of giving him a different torso? Or just not doing the figure until u can do it correctly? Is it so costly to put a different torso on those jeff hardy pants? Or is it the keeping the same torso with the same legs makes it less likely that the ppl at the factory will screw it up? *When choosing an attire for the new Matt hardy elite. Why choose an attire that you can't properly do? Ok i understand that attire done correctly would be more deco and costly, so why not choose a different Matt Hardy attire? Why is the decision to instead make him in the inaccurate kelly green pants? Why is that the decision? Where is the person that steps in and says, "hey guys why don't we choose one of his other looks that we can do accurately instead of giving him the wrong color green pants with no deco on them" Like 80% of the elites Mattel makes are good to great. But that other 20 could be easily avoided. I think thats where the biggest frustration comes from. Is that these are common sense mistakes. obviously i don't understand the budget, the behind the scenes conversations, dealing with Chinese factories, deadlines, contracts, having to design like 50 figures at the same time or whatever. Just speaking from a collector point of view. From someone who spent thousands of dollars on these figures. What green Matt Hardy is inaccurate?
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Post by disorder on Mar 3, 2018 7:18:26 GMT -5
You people and this spreadsheet thing already. I don’t know why this is all of a sudden such a huge deal, when you should know that every toy line probably does something like it. Figures like savage that are essentially the same, just need different paint apps to make a new attire. There’s so many different elite lines out now, that they would be dumb to not you time cutting measures.
Do you guys think it’s like a Mazda commercial and bill his carving each figure out of a big block of clay?
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 3, 2018 7:38:51 GMT -5
You people and this spreadsheet thing already. I don’t know why this is all of a sudden such a huge deal, when you should know that every toy line probably does something like it. Figures like savage that are essentially the same, just need different paint apps to make a new attire. There’s so many different elite lines out now, that they would be dumb to not you time cutting measures. Do you guys think it’s like a Mazda commercial and bill his carving each figure out of a big block of clay? Your missing the point. Some of these questionable parts choices imply that the artist/toy designer isn’t exercising their better judgement when creating, but simply referencing a database/spreadsheet in the design phase. If Bill doesn’t use spreadsheets, the Chinese factories are then the next likely suspect, to keep track of molds being used on the production line - maybe that’s where things get lost in translation. Why else would Rhyno get boulder shoulders or Rockers Shawn get white leg sleeves as opposed to small open knee pads? East Coast is right, there has to be someone on Bill’s team (if not Bill himself) saying “y’know this part really looks wrong here”, but I also agree with another poster, kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., that there is a cost-benefit analysis going on somewhere for them to go with the ridiculous choices.
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Post by disorder on Mar 3, 2018 11:07:55 GMT -5
You people and this spreadsheet thing already. I don’t know why this is all of a sudden such a huge deal, when you should know that every toy line probably does something like it. Figures like savage that are essentially the same, just need different paint apps to make a new attire. There’s so many different elite lines out now, that they would be dumb to not you time cutting measures. Do you guys think it’s like a Mazda commercial and bill his carving each figure out of a big block of clay? Your missing the point. Some of these questionable parts choices imply that the artist/toy designer isn’t exercising their better judgement when creating, but simply referencing a database/spreadsheet in the design phase. If Bill doesn’t use spreadsheets, the Chinese factories are then the next likely suspect, to keep track of molds being used on the production line - maybe that’s where things get lost in translation. Why else would Rhyno get boulder shoulders or Rockers Shawn get white leg sleeves as opposed to small open knee pads? East Coast is right, there has to be someone on Bill’s team (if not Bill himself) saying “y’know this part really looks wrong here”, but I also agree with another poster, kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., that there is a cost-benefit analysis going on somewhere for them to go with the ridiculous choices. It’s probably all orders from up top, as I mentioned a few pages back. It makes sense, because some figures even bill is upset by the outcome. My main point is, threads like these pop up with ten pages of nonsense blaming bill and second guessing his commitment and workmanship...yet the same people bitch that he doesn’t come on here anymore. Lorenzo made him leave, now he started this spreadsheet rumor. People just need to understand that there are things that happen behind the scenes that none of us know about, but the line is in good hands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 11:42:45 GMT -5
my number one complaint about these figures is, the bonehead mistakes. They make so many good figures, that when they screw up it sticks out like a sore thumb. One of the best parts of this figure line is scale. And scale doesn't just mean height. *When ur giving Boogeyman & Faarooq the wrong skintone, why isn't there someone else on the design team thats going...."Hey, thats wrong" *When ur giving Jinder Mahal who is jacked but only 240lbs and slim......a Bluetista torso made for someone who is nearly 300lbs and wide as a house. Where is the person to step in and say, "That doesn't look accurate. That torso is too big" *You see that The Revival are thique....but instead they get torsos that a 2010 Cody Rhodes got? Sami Zayn is like a couple more poutines away from being fat, and he's getting the same torso used on Justin Gabriels elite? *As a one off individual figure. The Kurt Angle elites look pretty good. But when u look at them in scale to the other figures...its puzzling. Who looked at Kurt Angle @ WM 19 and thought to themselves, "he looks jacked to the gills, lets make him huge". You have legs with molded singlet shorts on them you could've used. But nope, lets paint on the shorts onto these huge shredded legs that aren't appropriate for him. *You look at a picture of Rocker Shawn Michaels...and you see he wears short open kneepads, but give his figure the long knee supports?. Why give him the wrong kneepads? Who does that help? Is it just that its cheaper to use those kneepads? Or did nobody notice? Because i think thats what bothers and concerns collerctors. The thought that the ppl making the figures didn't even notice an obvious detail like that. *Why does a longsleeve Jeff Hardy have to get the same tanktop torso as the EG? Who decided that its better to paint a long sleeve shirt over a tanktop torso instead of giving him a different torso? Or just not doing the figure until u can do it correctly? Is it so costly to put a different torso on those jeff hardy pants? Or is it the keeping the same torso with the same legs makes it less likely that the ppl at the factory will screw it up? *When choosing an attire for the new Matt hardy elite. Why choose an attire that you can't properly do? Ok i understand that attire done correctly would be more deco and costly, so why not choose a different Matt Hardy attire? Why is the decision to instead make him in the inaccurate kelly green pants? Why is that the decision? Where is the person that steps in and says, "hey guys why don't we choose one of his other looks that we can do accurately instead of giving him the wrong color green pants with no deco on them" Like 80% of the elites Mattel makes are good to great. But that other 20 could be easily avoided. I think thats where the biggest frustration comes from. Is that these are common sense mistakes. obviously i don't understand the budget, the behind the scenes conversations, dealing with Chinese factories, deadlines, contracts, having to design like 50 figures at the same time or whatever. Just speaking from a collector point of view. From someone who spent thousands of dollars on these figures. Great post mate. Absolutely agree.
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Post by RV F'N D on Mar 3, 2018 11:51:31 GMT -5
East Coast nailed it pretty well. This line set a very high standard for itself and when bad decisions are made repeatedly it's very frustrating.
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Post by ineyeseekay on Mar 4, 2018 0:28:48 GMT -5
Can I make a suggestion? How about the Apollo Crews/Bobby Roode torso? I know the skintones might not match, but hey there is paint.
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Post by disorder on Mar 4, 2018 1:28:48 GMT -5
A huge thing everyone needs to understand is...
Not everyone is a collector or stickler, let alone a fan of wwe. Whether it’s people on bills team or the 15 year old stock boy at target, not everyone is familiar with the product. Bill is in charge of the elite line, if he has a team, who’s saying they are a fan as well?
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Mar 4, 2018 2:21:17 GMT -5
I like wwe Mattel figures
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