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Post by tg11 on Apr 15, 2018 18:23:44 GMT -5
I was watching some really interesting videos on YouTube and one video was of WWF superstars who almost could have defected to WCW during the Monday Night Wars in the Attitude Era. The other video being of WCW superstars who could have defected to WWF especially during the Attitude Era. It was really interesting to say the least.
WCW- Hogan almost defected in the sense that he almost went back to the WWF during the Attitude Era. He almost returned and to think if he had that Hogan would have been a member of DX if he had and he would have been the one to pass the torch to Austin. Savage was another but apparently after the whole Stephanie debacle Vince put the kibosh on that. Ric Flair was another who could have jumped ship because apparently in 1988 it was strongly suggested that Flair would jump to the WWF. Imagine if he had. Flair could have had programs with Hogan, Savage, Piper, Taker, DiBiase, Andre, etc.
Nikita Koloff is another who could have jumped ship to WWE back in the 80s leaving WCW to come to WWE. Great Muta is another who could have jumped ship back in the 80s and hell could have competed in the 90s in the WWE during the Attitude Era.
WWF- As for the superstars who could have defected to WCW from WWF:
British Bulldog originally could have defected especially back in 96 when he was practically at his peak in the main event and that if he had defected he would have been in the nWo as their 4th guy which ultimately was Big Show.
Bret being another who could have defected especially because in 96 it was heavily rumored that Bret could have left but that if he had he would have been brought into the nWo to be their 3rd guy instead of Hogan. However, because of contracts and all Bret ended up staying in WWE. However, he ended up going to WCW anyway.
Shawn being another who could have defected to WCW especially because of the fact that his buddies Hall and Nash were in WCW. Imagine if Shawn had defected though? Shawn no doubt would have been brought in to be a member of the nWo instead of Hogan if that happened. Shawn would have been the leader of the nWo with Hall and Nash which would have definitely put WWE out of business if Michaels had gone to WCW.
Taker is another who could have defected to WCW
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 15, 2018 21:45:16 GMT -5
I have heard of some of these possible scenarios.
But i just don't get why ppl think 1996 HBK was A. professional, B. Keeping the WWF alive, as a matter of fact him being the champ in WWF at the time was one of the reasons WCW was gaining momentum.
Taker I also heard about on the STW Podcast, he was close to...
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 16, 2018 1:20:48 GMT -5
I remember hearing that Flair was almost set to go to ECW too to do 3 matches with Shane Douglas in 1994 and 1995. Instead they got Tully Blanchard instead. That's cool, but seeing Flair vs. Douglas during the whole 'throwing down the NWA Title' time frame would have been awesome to see.
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Post by drifter on Apr 16, 2018 22:47:42 GMT -5
I was watching some really interesting videos on YouTube and one video was of WWF superstars who almost could have defected to WCW during the Monday Night Wars in the Attitude Era. The other video being of WCW superstars who could have defected to WWF especially during the Attitude Era. It was really interesting to say the least. WCW- Hogan almost defected in the sense that he almost went back to the WWF during the Attitude Era. He almost returned and to think if he had that Hogan would have been a member of DX if he had and he would have been the one to pass the torch to Austin. Savage was another but apparently after the whole Stephanie debacle Vince put the kibosh on that. Ric Flair was another who could have jumped ship because apparently in 1988 it was strongly suggested that Flair would jump to the WWF. Imagine if he had. Flair could have had programs with Hogan, Savage, Piper, Taker, DiBiase, Andre, etc. Nikita Koloff is another who could have jumped ship to WWE back in the 80s leaving WCW to come to WWE. Great Muta is another who could have jumped ship back in the 80s and hell could have competed in the 90s in the WWE during the Attitude Era. WWF- As for the superstars who could have defected to WCW from WWF: British Bulldog originally could have defected especially back in 96 when he was practically at his peak in the main event and that if he had defected he would have been in the nWo as their 4th guy which ultimately was Big Show. Bret being another who could have defected especially because in 96 it was heavily rumored that Bret could have left but that if he had he would have been brought into the nWo to be their 3rd guy instead of Hogan. However, because of contracts and all Bret ended up staying in WWE. However, he ended up going to WCW anyway. Shawn being another who could have defected to WCW especially because of the fact that his buddies Hall and Nash were in WCW. Imagine if Shawn had defected though? Shawn no doubt would have been brought in to be a member of the nWo instead of Hogan if that happened. Shawn would have been the leader of the nWo with Hall and Nash which would have definitely put WWE out of business if Michaels had gone to WCW. Taker is another who could have defected to WCW If Hogan had returned, and became part of DX, no way it would have taken off like it ended up being. While they had some similarities, the nWo and DX were different types of stables, and nothing of any of the Hogan characters would have fit in DX. And as for the Austin thing, you're talking about 90s Hogan, passing a torch, no way. If he came back during the Attitude Era, Austin would have never made it to the heights he did, with Hogan in his way, playing his favorite card. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 17, 2018 19:48:05 GMT -5
The 1988 jump Flair confirmed. If he did, Vince promised him a World Title shot against Savage in the main event of the first SummerSlam
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Post by JokerFC on May 5, 2018 12:09:45 GMT -5
Prichard says while the Flair jump was confirmed and he was scheduled to be at SSlam 88? It was just to be an interview. Unless he has said something new about this? He may have
It must have been difficult for some of these dudes to stay with WWF. 120 Days and over a million a year vs 320 days a year and around 800'000....."Sting Money" as it was known.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 5, 2018 15:29:04 GMT -5
Flair claimed Vince told him he's face Savage for the WWF Title at SummerSlam if he jumped ... Pritchard said Vince told him Flair would be the "Surprise Guest" on the Brother Love Show at SummerSlam if he jumped... Knowing Vince he probably would've done neither.
Bret in 1996 was 100% true. His contract was up,and Bischoff did make him an offer and send him a contract while Vince tried coming up with a counteroffer. Bret said when he returned in Fall 1996 and did an interview on Raw where he accepted Stone Cold's challenge for Survivor Series he had the WCW contract in his back pocket when he arrived at the arena and did the interview.
HBK wanted to leave in 1997,after the infamous Bret-Shawn hair pulling incident, which resulted in HBK "quitting" the WWF and leaving before Raw went on the air,while he attempted to make it to the arena where Nitro was at that same night so he could appear on air (it was only like 150 miles away or something). In addition to the legal headaches this would've caused, HBK was still under contract,and Vince refused to release him from it, finally cutting Shawn's weekly paychecks until he finally agreed to come back. This did lead directly to DX being formed,however. Shawn comlained to Vince the WWF was a hostile work environment and he wanted to be with his friends, Hall,Nash,andWaltman, and Vince refused to let him ride with his one remaining friend, Hunter. So Vince agreed to allow Shawn and hunter to work together to calm Shawn's frazzled nerves and temperment.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 5, 2018 16:48:17 GMT -5
Had Shawn jumped in 1997 he’d have been second fiddle to Hogan like his buddies Nash and Hall. Knowing how they viewed “small” guys as well, I could see Shawn basically feuding over the US Title for a few years (similar to Bret) while Nash was pushed in the main event. The only time he may have won a WCW Championship was in 2000 when Hogan was making less appearances before he eventually left for good.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 20:22:29 GMT -5
I always wondered back then if one Monday I'd turn on Nitro and see HBK. He'd have been nWo for sure,but I think there's a good chance he'd have od'd at some point.
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Post by The Brain on May 6, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if Flair did come in during SSlam 88 if we would've got Flair vs Hogan at WM 5 instead of Savage vs Hogan.
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 7, 2018 14:56:32 GMT -5
I was very excited when curt hennig turned up on wcw
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Post by K5 on May 12, 2018 21:18:40 GMT -5
rick rude’s were interesting. leaves wwf because he’s frustrated that he isn’t going to be used in the main event picture, goes to wcw where he once again becomes angry over his lack of momentum. injured his back, does the whole Lloyd of a London insurance scam. returns to ecw but not as an active talent, then takes the call to return to wwf...did he want to return to the ring at this point? gets used as DX’s lawyer, defects to wcw due to Bret Hart screwjob...and then basically just hangs out with his buddy Curt Hennig for the rest of his on air time.
one must think he was trying to repair the back and get size enough to wrestle again, but who knows? Does anyone have more info than that?
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 13, 2018 3:58:07 GMT -5
Prichard says while the Flair jump was confirmed and he was scheduled to be at SSlam 88? It was just to be an interview. Unless he has said something new about this? He may have It must have been difficult for some of these dudes to stay with WWF. 120 Days and over a million a year vs 320 days a year and around 800'000....."Sting Money" as it was known. Prichard talked about it yesterday. Flair was supposed to be his "tidal wave " interview for the Brother Love show (it was originallysupposed to be some televangelist dudes secretary whom the televangelist got caught sleeping with, that was a big deal back then). Flair then kept dragging out signing. So the day before Vince scraped it. So the big reveal was..... Hacksaw Jim Duggan. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 13, 2018 3:59:33 GMT -5
rick rude’s were interesting. leaves wwf because he’s frustrated that he isn’t going to be used in the main event picture, goes to wcw where he once again becomes angry over his lack of momentum. injured his back, does the whole Lloyd of a London insurance scam. returns to ecw but not as an active talent, then takes the call to return to wwf...did he want to return to the ring at this point? gets used as DX’s lawyer, defects to wcw due to Bret Hart screwjob...and then basically just hangs out with his buddy Curt Hennig for the rest of his on air time. one must think he was trying to repair the back and get size enough to wrestle again, but who knows? Does anyone have more info than that? He was intending on making an in ring comeback. I believe he was training his ass off, and preparing for a WWF return, when he passed away. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 13, 2018 9:46:48 GMT -5
Isn’t the rumor that Taker adopted the ABA character because it was essentially him playing himself and he was considering going to WCW and knew he couldn’t take the Undertaker name or deadman gimmick with him so when he showed up on Nitro it would be as himself named Mark Callous or Calaway?
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Post by K5 on May 13, 2018 10:31:25 GMT -5
Isn’t the rumor that Taker adopted the ABA character because it was essentially him playing himself and he was considering going to WCW and knew he couldn’t take the Undertaker name or deadman gimmick with him so when he showed up on Nitro it would be as himself named Mark Callous or Calaway? eh i don’t think timewise that makes any sense, as by the time undertaker was doing his ABA gimmick wcw was already a shell of its former self. taker had been loyal throughout the Monday night war, would be a ludicrous career move to jump at the end when wcw’s ship was sinking. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 13, 2018 10:57:03 GMT -5
Isn’t the rumor that Taker adopted the ABA character because it was essentially him playing himself and he was considering going to WCW and knew he couldn’t take the Undertaker name or deadman gimmick with him so when he showed up on Nitro it would be as himself named Mark Callous or Calaway? eh i don’t think timewise that makes any sense, as by the time undertaker was doing his ABA gimmick wcw was already a shell of its former self. taker had been loyal throughout the Monday night war, would be a ludicrous career move to jump at the end when wcw’s ship was sinking. It never sounded right. Like why would Vince approve a change in character if Taker’s contract was about up? Looks like Nash started the rumor:“We had ‘Taker close,” said Nash. “All of a sudden he wasn’t the Deadman. He became the American Badass for a reason. That Deadman wasn’t going to f---in’ come to WCW. He would have been the biker character and gone by Mark Calaway. ”All along, I was trying to get guys money, I was trying to get guys paid. And what happened was Vince started giving huge guarantees to the Shawns and Undertakers and those guys and said, ‘I can’t lose my core guys.’” And Bischoff pretty much denied it:“See, that’s another one of those internet wrestling rumors that continues to survive, what is it now, 18, 19 years later? Nothing could be further from the truth” he said. ”There was never one syllable of conversation between anybody that mattered,” he illustrated. “Maybe some of the lower level guys on the production, maybe some freelancers said, ‘Wow, wouldn’t it be cool if the Undertaker came over? Or maybe there was some new assignees over at the Power Plant where some other people that really weren’t very significant who had some indirect association with the company that speculated about how cool it would be. There was never any meaningful conversation with anybody that mattered at any level,” |
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Post by The Brain on May 13, 2018 16:10:46 GMT -5
rick rude’s were interesting. leaves wwf because he’s frustrated that he isn’t going to be used in the main event picture, goes to wcw where he once again becomes angry over his lack of momentum. injured his back, does the whole Lloyd of a London insurance scam. returns to ecw but not as an active talent, then takes the call to return to wwf...did he want to return to the ring at this point? gets used as DX’s lawyer, defects to wcw due to Bret Hart screwjob...and then basically just hangs out with his buddy Curt Hennig for the rest of his on air time. one must think he was trying to repair the back and get size enough to wrestle again, but who knows? Does anyone have more info than that? He was intending on making an in ring comeback. I believe he was training his ass off, and preparing for a WWF return, when he passed away. Shame we never got the comeback. I always hated the way his career ended in 94. |
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Post by greenjack1992 on May 21, 2018 16:31:05 GMT -5
If Shawn Michaels had gone to WCW, he'd be dead.
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