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Post by PJ on Jun 1, 2018 10:23:04 GMT -5
Let’s keep the modern stuff (even if it is comparisons) off the classics board please. The modern stuff has it’s own board.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 1, 2018 14:20:44 GMT -5
I'm in the minority on this...I feel at the time in 2002, Triple H was the best heel on Raw and therefore should have been on top. For Smackdown from September 2 2002 - April 3, 2005 they had Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and John Cena. I would argue that 4 out of those 6 could be considered baby face champs. I know that they may have tried to portray some of them as heels at certain points but it's hard to boo a guy like Kurt Angle. When JBL took the belt on Smackdown, Benoit was already in the middle of his run on Raw, so the roles were reversed for the shows. On Raw they had to get the belt back to Triple H to get the Mania switch with Batista. As far as his feuds for this time, and I know I'm in the minority on this as well, I always hated Goldberg and Steiner so for me personally I found it hard to go against Triple H in these feuds. The booking for Jericho was terrible. The match they had should have been amazing at Mania but it wasn't. From April 3rd, 2005 - October 7 2007, Triple H wasn't the main champion. And on Oct. 7th, he held the title for less than a day, it was No Mercy 2007. He wouldn't win a major title again until April of 2008. So when you take out that single event title reign, Triple H didn't have a main title from April 2005-April 2008. The starting of the IWC war on John Cena starts at WrestleMania 22. When the IWC, who hates big man Hunter will rally behind him. One thing to note is Triple H and Cena were suppose to have a WM 22 rematch at 23. Would HHH have won? |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 1, 2018 16:28:36 GMT -5
I'm a huge HHH fan but by god I hated the Evolution faction as a kid. As annoying as HHH's reign of terror was you have to realise that he made the WHC mean something unlike Brock Lesnar who has done nothing with the Universal belt.
Also the only guys who I've had issues with Hunter going over were Booker and RVD. Goldberg only signed for a year so why bother giving him a huge title run if he was just going to get up and walk once his contract was done?
As for Steiner he was in an awful shape and shouldn't have been anywhere near the title. It's a shame because I was so looking forward to him coming to the WWE.
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Post by PJ on Jun 1, 2018 17:26:23 GMT -5
I didn’t have trouble with him going over anyone. People always talk about how he buried Booker T and I don’t buy it. If anything buried Booker it was the grocery store segment with Austin and he recovered from that. And losing to Triple H didn’t hurt him in the long run either. RVD I always had a problem with because felt the guy was careless in the ring and I didn’t think he could make the kind of commitment needed to carry the title. The only things he has done that I find questionable were his part behind the scenes in the screw job which was before his so called “reign of terror.” And the Katie Vick story whatever year that was. But as far as Triple H goes for those years he was my favorite part of the WWE and the reason I kept watching.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jun 1, 2018 17:47:46 GMT -5
Hunter's reign of death in 02 and 03 was quite simply just making up for lost time in terms of WCW/Alliance burials that he missed in the Invasion due to injury (joke).
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 1, 2018 19:14:12 GMT -5
I didn’t have trouble with him going over anyone. People always talk about how he buried Booker T and I don’t buy it. If anything buried Booker it was the grocery store segment with Austin and he recovered from that. And losing to Triple H didn’t hurt him in the long run either. RVD I always had a problem with because felt the guy was careless in the ring and I didn’t think he could make the kind of commitment needed to carry the title. The only things he has done that I find questionable were his part behind the scenes in the screw job which was before his so called “reign of terror.” And the Katie Vick story whatever year that was. But as far as Triple H goes for those years he was my favorite part of the WWE and the reason I kept watching. I always have been a fan of long term booking, and Triple H throughout 2002-2005 a very a long term story. I feel it was done so well. He aligns with Flair and 2 rookies. It appears hes ''building the future''. But, uses everyone at every turn to get him the title. The World title was viewed like it was his life. Then we see his greed slowly destroy all these relationships. Although, I still really hate Triple H going over Orton at Unforgiven 2004. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 1, 2018 19:16:12 GMT -5
I'm a huge HHH fan but by god I hated the Evolution faction as a kid. As annoying as HHH's reign of terror was you have to realise that he made the WHC mean something unlike Brock Lesnar who has done nothing with the Universal belt. Also the only guys who I've had issues with Hunter going over were Booker and RVD. Goldberg only signed for a year so why bother giving him a huge title run if he was just going to get up and walk once his contract was done? As for Steiner he was in an awful shape and shouldn't have been anywhere near the title. It's a shame because I was so looking forward to him coming to the WWE. The whole Booker thing was really distasteful only because Triple H won. All the slightly racially motivated stuff with Booker's past would of worked great if Booker went over. It would of told a feel good story. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 1, 2018 19:17:21 GMT -5
Hunter's reign of death in 02 and 03 was quite simply just making up for lost time in terms of WCW/Alliance burials that he missed in the Invasion due to injury (joke). HHH being part of this, would of just been plain bad. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 1, 2018 19:37:31 GMT -5
I didn’t have trouble with him going over anyone. People always talk about how he buried Booker T and I don’t buy it. If anything buried Booker it was the grocery store segment with Austin and he recovered from that. And losing to Triple H didn’t hurt him in the long run either. RVD I always had a problem with because felt the guy was careless in the ring and I didn’t think he could make the kind of commitment needed to carry the title. The only things he has done that I find questionable were his part behind the scenes in the screw job which was before his so called “reign of terror.” And the Katie Vick story whatever year that was. But as far as Triple H goes for those years he was my favorite part of the WWE and the reason I kept watching. I always have been a fan of long term booking, and Triple H throughout 2002-2005 a very a long term story. I feel it was done so well. He aligns with Flair and 2 rookies. It appears hes ''building the future''. But, uses everyone at every turn to get him the title. The World title was viewed like it was his life. Then we see his greed slowly destroy all these relationships. Although, I still really hate Triple H going over Orton at Unforgiven 2004. Exactly. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 1, 2018 20:40:30 GMT -5
I always have been a fan of long term booking, and Triple H throughout 2002-2005 a very a long term story. I feel it was done so well. He aligns with Flair and 2 rookies. It appears hes ''building the future''. But, uses everyone at every turn to get him the title. The World title was viewed like it was his life. Then we see his greed slowly destroy all these relationships. Although, I still really hate Triple H going over Orton at Unforgiven 2004. Exactly. Which makes the Legacy angle perfect. Since Orton recreates what Triple H did. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 1, 2018 21:22:31 GMT -5
Ten years on, it's easy to see that a lot of it was just complaining about whoever is presented as the top guy on the flagship show.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 1, 2018 23:00:09 GMT -5
I didn’t have trouble with him going over anyone. People always talk about how he buried Booker T and I don’t buy it. If anything buried Booker it was the grocery store segment with Austin and he recovered from that. And losing to Triple H didn’t hurt him in the long run either. RVD I always had a problem with because felt the guy was careless in the ring and I didn’t think he could make the kind of commitment needed to carry the title. The only things he has done that I find questionable were his part behind the scenes in the screw job which was before his so called “reign of terror.” And the Katie Vick story whatever year that was. But as far as Triple H goes for those years he was my favorite part of the WWE and the reason I kept watching. Not to keep quoting Prichard (been watching him a lot lately) in here, but he actually went into some depth about the Katie Vick angle. Again I'm paraphrasing but... Vince wanted it to be super serious. Bruce & Hunter were adamant that it had to be completely goofy with it being an obvious joke. Vince disagreed, but compromised by telling them they'd film two versions. Then they'd watch both and decide which one to air. The day of the shoot Vince wanted to film his idea first. As soon as they were done filming it, Vince closed down production and had the crew pack everything up. Much to the dismay of both Bruce & Hunter. They even had Kevin Dunn watch it and he agreed it was too much. They all begged, but Vince wouldn't budge.
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Post by PJ on Jun 2, 2018 4:26:51 GMT -5
That sounds about right. I can totally see Vince doing that. But in case I wasn’t clear I just meant with the Vick angle it was something I didn’t enjoy not that I thought he was responsible for coming up with it.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 2, 2018 19:34:27 GMT -5
Jesus that Katie Vick angle was dreadful.....really & truly. That was a weird time for WWE & the Raw brand though. SD! was piping hot then and Raw was very "meh". But in the run in to Survivors Series 2002? It started to get good again.
Survivors Series 2002 remains one of my favourite events.....brilliant card lads.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 3, 2018 11:14:03 GMT -5
Jesus that Katie Vick angle was dreadful.....really & truly. That was a weird time for WWE & the Raw brand though. SD! was piping hot then and Raw was very "meh". But in the run in to Survivors Series 2002? It started to get good again. Survivors Series 2002 remains one of my favourite events.....brilliant card lads. Katie Vick I cannot just understand it. Like I heard some horrible angles but this tops the last. The closest one to do this was, was making Heindreich like a frozen Nazi soldier being managed by Paul Heyman. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 3, 2018 12:42:05 GMT -5
Jesus that Katie Vick angle was dreadful.....really & truly. That was a weird time for WWE & the Raw brand though. SD! was piping hot then and Raw was very "meh". But in the run in to Survivors Series 2002? It started to get good again. Survivors Series 2002 remains one of my favourite events.....brilliant card lads. Katie Vick I cannot just understand it. Like I heard some horrible angles but this tops the last. The closest one to do this was, was making Heindreich like a frozen Nazi soldier being managed by Paul Heyman. Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 3, 2018 12:47:10 GMT -5
Katie Vick I cannot just understand it. Like I heard some horrible angles but this tops the last. The closest one to do this was, was making Heindreich like a frozen Nazi soldier being managed by Paul Heyman. Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. I believe they mentioned it on the McMahon DVD didn't they? |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 3, 2018 14:26:35 GMT -5
Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. I believe they mentioned it on the McMahon DVD didn't they? Yep. When Steph was pregnant with her and trips first child, Vince pitched in a creative meeting that wouldn't it be great if they did a storyline where it was revealed the child was actually Vince's!! Fortunately, EVERYONE was opposed to this. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 4, 2018 11:49:28 GMT -5
Katie Vick I cannot just understand it. Like I heard some horrible angles but this tops the last. The closest one to do this was, was making Heindreich like a frozen Nazi soldier being managed by Paul Heyman. Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. Speaks volumes for Vinces "creative genius" when he isn't being challenged......his 2 most successful periods were when he was up against it if you will. when he isn't? anything goes......Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Xanta Klaus, Katie Vick & others too horrible to even mention. Although Fake Diesel & Razor came about under a time of pressure. Anyone who hasn't heard Cornettes thoughts on this angle when it was brought up at the creative meeting need to hunt that down. Hilarious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:32:36 GMT -5
Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. Speaks volumes for Vinces "creative genius" when he isn't being challenged......his 2 most successful periods were when he was up against it if you will. when he isn't? anything goes......Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Xanta Klaus, Katie Vick & others too horrible to even mention. Although Fake Diesel & Razor came about under a time of pressure. Anyone who hasn't heard Cornettes thoughts on this angle when it was brought up at the creative meeting need to hunt that down. Hilarious. You left out the horrible feud between he and Stephanie that was poorly acted and intelligence insulting. |
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