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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:12:53 GMT -5
I wish he had. He might have gotten enough homers to get in the HOF. Unfortunately, he never will.
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Post by bjd on Aug 12, 2007 2:26:45 GMT -5
Its a tough situation with Bonds, and its actually nice to see someone argue for Bonds for a change, eventhough I will have to respectfully disagree.
With the steroid situation, its in the hands of the fans. Believe what you want to believe. Testing has just been put in place very recently, so those who were juicing before that were pretty much beating a non-existant system. Do I agree with them doing it? Of course not, but they technically weren't breaking any rules.
Bonds catches more grief than most about steroids for one reason, and one reason alone- Barry Bonds is a colossal prick, and has been for years. Not many people, players, fans, and media alike actually like Barry Bonds. McGwire was a different story. Yes, I'm sure Barry will be the first one to play the race card when comparing himself to McGwire, but it wasn't like that. Mark McGwire was a likable guy. Jason Giambi is a likable guy. Barry Bonds is not.
Bonds was a top 10 all time talent before the speculation of juicing began around 2000-01. He was a great average hitter, solid home run hitter, a gold glove outfielder, the prototypical "five tool player." Why he chose to take any performance enhancing substances is beyond me. His ticket to Coooperstown was punched before 73* and long before 756*. Of course as you get older your body breaks down, you gain weight, and you're not as mobile as you once were.
You're entitled to defend Barry Bonds all you want, and I respect anyone elses opinion. But if you can't at least understand why people dislike him, and why the legitimacy of these records are being questioned, then that becomes a problem. Sure, we don't know for sure who juiced in the past, and probably will never have a comprehensive list, unless Jose Canseco decides to write one in the back of his coloring book one night.
As a fan, believe what you want to believe, and cheer who you want to cheer.
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:28:42 GMT -5
All I know is, that when the MLB starts testing for bacon grease, Bob Wickman is screwed.
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 12, 2007 2:29:19 GMT -5
Roger Clemens has never done steroids, I don't care what bungholes who hate him "claim". Look, even if the guy was my hero, I'd have to admit that the odds are good that he has. I don't consider Jason Grimsley and Jose Canseco the fountain of knowlege on Clemens supposed steroid abuse....
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Post by bjd on Aug 12, 2007 2:30:04 GMT -5
All I know is, that when the MLB starts testing for bacon grease, Bob Wickman is screwed. Bob, you tested positive for Funyuns!
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:32:47 GMT -5
All I know is, that when the MLB starts testing for bacon grease, Bob Wickman is screwed. Bob, you tested positive for Funyuns! NOOOOOoooOOOOOOooooOOOOO!!!!!! Wait, was that it? Well, no, we also found a Milk Dud lodged in your heart.
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:33:37 GMT -5
Look, even if the guy was my hero, I'd have to admit that the odds are good that he has. I don't consider Jason Grimsley and Jose Canseco the fountain of knowlege on Clemens supposed steroid abuse.... Well, even though Canseco is a fruitcake, a lot of things he has said have turned out to be pretty true.
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Post by bjd on Aug 12, 2007 2:39:20 GMT -5
I read Canseco's book cover to cover, and as stupid as he comes off, I refuse to believe 100% of what he wrote is bullcrap. Here is a guy who played 17 seasons in the Major Leagues on seven different teams. He probably saw a lot, and while he was probably right in the middle of it, and has no business naming names, I'm sure some of the stuff he has been saying is true.
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:44:35 GMT -5
I am willing to be that the majority of the stuff he said is true aside from him constantly talking about how awesome he is.
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Post by bjd on Aug 12, 2007 2:51:42 GMT -5
I am willing to be that the majority of the stuff he said is true aside from him constantly talking about how awesome he is. The funniest part was how he called himself "The Chemist." As far as he said, he never made steroids... he just used them. So I ate a tasty ing steak tonight for dinner.... I think I'll call myself "The Chef"
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 2:54:23 GMT -5
I am willing to be that the majority of the stuff he said is true aside from him constantly talking about how awesome he is. The funniest part was how he called himself "The Chemist." As far as he said, he never made steroids... he just used them. So I ate a tasty ing steak tonight for dinner.... I think I'll call myself "The Chef" lol I thought that was funny. My wife grew up in love with that greasy bastard, so she really wanted to read the book, and loved it. I saw Rush Hour 3 tonight, so I guess that makes me "The Director."
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Post by drippy on Aug 12, 2007 3:35:06 GMT -5
The funniest part was how he called himself "The Chemist." As far as he said, he never made steroids... he just used them. So I ate a tasty ing steak tonight for dinner.... I think I'll call myself "The Chef" lol I thought that was funny. My wife grew up in love with that greasy bastard, so she really wanted to read the book, and loved it. I saw Rush Hour 3 tonight, so I guess that makes me "The Director." I still can't believe you paid $10 to see that. I saw the first two in theaters and regret every minute of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2007 7:52:11 GMT -5
bonds is grateee
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 12, 2007 8:05:17 GMT -5
He said he accidentally took the clear though, him and Sheffield. Thats what people are thinking about Oh come on, I've accidentally taken things tons of times. Does taking an extra handful of Flintstones vitamins make me a cheater at life? Think about it. No it makes you a pill head.... I think the point most people are trying to get across is that Bonds was and is a HOF player when he was a skinny lil snot at 175lbs. Nobody can deny that. But Bonds, Sosa, Palmerio, McGwire, Sheffield, Giambi and more are all products of Muscle enhancing drugs. Everyone of those men have either admited it in some form or have tested positive for it in some form and for the most part the country has forgave them for their mistakes. Bonds is still living the lie. If he just fesses up and say "yea back in the days when i hit 73 i took HGH, hell just say back when it was legal like McGwire did. Then a lot of people would get off his ass. The case it kinda pointless anyway as Bonds wont have this record long.
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 9:00:43 GMT -5
lol I thought that was funny. My wife grew up in love with that greasy bastard, so she really wanted to read the book, and loved it. I saw Rush Hour 3 tonight, so I guess that makes me "The Director." I still can't believe you paid $10 to see that. I saw the first two in theaters and regret every minute of it. Actually, I didn't. I really enjoyed the first two movies. But I have only paid for about 1 or 2 movies in the last year, because a good friend of mine is a manager at a Regal Cinemas, so I can pretty much go to any location for free as long as he calls in the tickets.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Aug 12, 2007 9:11:19 GMT -5
Roger Clemens has never done steroids, I don't care what bungholes who hate him "claim". Look, even if the guy was my hero, I'd have to admit that the odds are good that he has. yeah exactly. Sosa's my hero, doesn't take away from the fact that it's pretty obvious he at some point did steroids
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 9:12:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry nick. I know that was painful to admit, but I am proud of you. Would you like a Kleenax, or a Fruit Newton?
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Post by ET had AIDS on Aug 12, 2007 9:14:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry nick. I know that was painful to admit, but I am proud of you. Would you like a Kleenax, or a Fruit Newton? yes please. eeets so reeeeeeal
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 12, 2007 9:18:45 GMT -5
If it comes out that Ortiz took steroids, than it will suck but I won't deny it with photos and vitamin jokes.
I mean, he is fat and Latino, theres def chicken and burritos involved with the steroids, if there are steroids
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Post by GP™ on Aug 12, 2007 9:33:07 GMT -5
If it comes out that Ortiz took steroids, than it will suck but I won't deny it with photos and vitamin jokes. I mean, he is fat and Latino, theres def chicken and burritos involved with the steroids, if there are steroids + Vitamin water.
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