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Post by ET had AIDS on Aug 12, 2007 9:35:02 GMT -5
mmmm
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 12, 2007 9:43:29 GMT -5
Ever since the Vitamin Water ads came out, Ortiz lost all his power and got hurt.
Maybe those were his roids
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Post by Codesters on Aug 12, 2007 9:44:19 GMT -5
I dont really know what to believe but I honestly never liked Bonds, but you have to look at it like this. Ok BOnds has the HR record right? Well Look at his amount of games played and amount of times at bat, and look at Hank Aarons, I GUARUNTEE YOU that HAnk played a lot less than Bonds and had alot less times at Bat, when he broke the HR record. SO they should probably have players attempt to beat Aarons recor under the times he was at bat and played. Bonds played alot more than Aaron, and thats why I think his HR record is false.
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Post by GP™ on Aug 12, 2007 9:45:54 GMT -5
Ever since the Vitamin Water ads came out, Ortiz lost all his power and got hurt. Maybe those were his roids Could be, eh? And with a slogan like "Papi Power," I wouldn't doubt it.
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Post by GP™ on Aug 12, 2007 9:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by T R W on Aug 12, 2007 9:52:53 GMT -5
I've never tried any of this vitamin water stuff. Is it like that nerve tonic Ken Griffey Jr. took?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 12, 2007 9:56:04 GMT -5
My head hasnt gotten bigger yet, but I do not feel healthier or lost any weight.
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 12, 2007 12:48:16 GMT -5
Like I said, ill wait until its revealed by credible sources. Not disgruntled average pitchers and ex players who are doing and saying anything to stay on radar....
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Post by drippy on Aug 12, 2007 18:39:23 GMT -5
I dont really know what to believe but I honestly never liked Bonds, but you have to look at it like this. Ok BOnds has the HR record right? Well Look at his amount of games played and amount of times at bat, and look at Hank Aarons, I GUARUNTEE YOU that HAnk played a lot less than Bonds and had alot less times at Bat, when he broke the HR record. SO they should probably have players attempt to beat Aarons recor under the times he was at bat and played. Bonds played alot more than Aaron, and thats why I think his HR record is false. Hahahahaha. Of all the oddball things to pull out of your ass, this is the most hilarious. Aaron took longer to hit his home runs than Bonds did. It took Aaron 3200+ games to hit 755, whereas Bonds is sitting at 2960 or so and has 758. If you had watched ESPN at all over the past week, you would've seen that. And the whole "he had more time to do it, so it's not a real record" crap is awful logic. Simply awful. Well, look at the time when Babe Ruth played in. Pitchers went complete every single outing, win or lose, so it'd be easier to take advantage of a guy who's thrown 50 pitches too many. They didn't have the relief specialists they have today. They couldn't just bring in a lefty arm to play the percentages. The game was simpler, and had a lot less strategy than it does now. But who cares, blah blah, steroids, etc.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 12, 2007 19:15:55 GMT -5
I dont really know what to believe but I honestly never liked Bonds, but you have to look at it like this. Ok BOnds has the HR record right? Well Look at his amount of games played and amount of times at bat, and look at Hank Aarons, I GUARUNTEE YOU that HAnk played a lot less than Bonds and had alot less times at Bat, when he broke the HR record. SO they should probably have players attempt to beat Aarons recor under the times he was at bat and played. Bonds played alot more than Aaron, and thats why I think his HR record is false. Hahahahaha. Of all the oddball things to pull out of your ass, this is the most hilarious. Aaron took longer to hit his home runs than Bonds did. It took Aaron 3200+ games to hit 755, whereas Bonds is sitting at 2960 or so and has 758. If you had watched ESPN at all over the past week, you would've seen that. And the whole "he had more time to do it, so it's not a real record" crap is awful logic. Simply awful. Well, look at the time when Babe Ruth played in. Pitchers went complete every single outing, win or lose, so it'd be easier to take advantage of a guy who's thrown 50 pitches too many. They didn't have the relief specialists they have today. They couldn't just bring in a lefty arm to play the percentages. The game was simpler, and had a lot less strategy than it does now. But who cares, blah blah, steroids, etc. WHy so cruel?
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Post by drippy on Aug 12, 2007 19:24:20 GMT -5
Because I speak the truth. Seriously, son, I sleep with Karl Ravech, so I have to know about this kind of stuff.
But no one really makes a stink about Ichiro breaking George Sizzler's hits record, despite the fact that he had more chances to get it. The thing about that is, ballparks are so different now, and it's much harder for a slap hitter like Ichiro to get singles, doubles, and especially triples. Sizzler played in an era where racking up hits wasn't at all hard to do. The dimensions back then led to a lot more extra base hits, and there was a lot more ground for fielders to cover. So in a way, Ichiro's record is worthy, if not more impressive.
Same with Roger Maris and that whole 61* crap. I don't know why they'd give one Yankee crap for breaking another Yankee's record. It's stupid, but that's New York for ya. Different eras.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Aug 13, 2007 0:41:09 GMT -5
Barry Bonds still sucks.
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Post by slappy on Aug 13, 2007 0:52:40 GMT -5
I don't believe "my guy," Jeff Bagwell, ever took steroids. I'm like 99.99999% positive that he never did.
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Post by drippy on Aug 13, 2007 1:55:57 GMT -5
Sosa still sucks. I was always more of a Pisshands Alou and Glenallen Hill-head, anyway.
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Post by layzie on Aug 13, 2007 2:15:28 GMT -5
Because I speak the truth. Seriously, son, I sleep with Karl Ravech, so I have to know about this kind of stuff. But no one really makes a stink about Ichiro breaking George Sizzler's hits record, despite the fact that he had more chances to get it. The thing about that is, ballparks are so different now, and it's much harder for a slap hitter like Ichiro to get singles, doubles, and especially triples. Sizzler played in an era where racking up hits wasn't at all hard to do. The dimensions back then led to a lot more extra base hits, and there was a lot more ground for fielders to cover. So in a way, Ichiro's record is worthy, if not more impressive. Same with Roger Maris and that whole 61* crap. I don't know why they'd give one Yankee crap for breaking another Yankee's record. It's stupid, but that's New York for ya. Different eras. sisler?
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Post by ET had AIDS on Aug 13, 2007 2:39:12 GMT -5
I don't really care if people think Sosa sucks. I'm not going to get all over them for it. Hell, Sosa has it coming. The guy's made a lot of stupid decisions and probably did steroids. Basically, defending Sosa is about as pointless as defending Barry Bonds at this point in their careers. Their popularity is at all time lows. It's expected that people are going to talk **** about all of them.
The only difference is, Bonds is pretty much the poster child for steroids and controversy, where as Sosa, along with a lot of others (Giambi, Sheffield, Clemens, Bagwell, Canseco, etc.) don't get nearly as much heat anymore for various reasons. Which is why I'm still pretty baffled as to why you're adamant about defending Barry to the ground.
Then again, I have no problem with people being Bonds fans, and even backing him up, but I guess I just have to disagree with almost all of the arguments being used here in the initial post.
The media is to blame, sure, but if you've read any of Game of Shadows, you'd know that there's more to it than just media. From the snippets I read before my dad's books got boxed up, from his steroid regimen, the threats towards his wife, and all of the women he had in other states, the detail was too good to be fabricated in my eyes.
I'm sure the media doesn't help the issue, but people didn't want Bonds to break Aaron's record because he truely is an ass hole, and anyone who actually follows the game can see that. You talk about a whole different era with Ruth and Aaron and the type of baseball that was played. Well, there was a whole different era in america back then. Aaron compared to Bonds and why people didn't want Aaron to break the record opposed to Bonds is completely different, 100%...
One last thing... I'm not someone who's going to sit here and say it's Ruth's or Aaron's record or some bull ****... it's Bonds' record, but he probably took some steps that shouldn't have been taken to get there. Period.
Just needed to state my full opinion on this whole post.
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Post by drippy on Aug 13, 2007 16:55:10 GMT -5
Half the fun of this topic was to see how long I could keep people believing I actually believe Tony Gwynn did steroids. Good to see that we're 4 pages in, and no one's at all the wiser.
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Post by T R W on Aug 13, 2007 17:05:52 GMT -5
I said you didn't actually think that early on. well, i think he wasn't saying that gwynn took them, but was using them as examples of players who didn't take steroids, but got bigger as they got older. Though I do agree that it's not exactly evidence. Everyone know's he did, there's really no argument. But, they should be mad baseball, more than him, because they refused to instill testing, even though all the other major sports had, and hell, they practically encouraged it.
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Post by drippy on Aug 14, 2007 0:23:53 GMT -5
Well, yeah. The entire topic was just a poke at those who believe it is impossible for people to gain weight and produce later in their careers. Toss in an outrageous example here and there, and here we are.
Ralpho's pretty gullible, though, so it was a lot of fun tooling around with him.
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Post by bjd on Aug 14, 2007 2:16:02 GMT -5
Because I speak the truth. Seriously, son, I sleep with Karl Ravech, so I have to know about this kind of stuff. But no one really makes a stink about Ichiro breaking George Sizzler's hits record, despite the fact that he had more chances to get it. The thing about that is, ballparks are so different now, and it's much harder for a slap hitter like Ichiro to get singles, doubles, and especially triples. Sizzler played in an era where racking up hits wasn't at all hard to do. The dimensions back then led to a lot more extra base hits, and there was a lot more ground for fielders to cover. So in a way, Ichiro's record is worthy, if not more impressive. Same with Roger Maris and that whole 61* crap. I don't know why they'd give one Yankee crap for breaking another Yankee's record. It's stupid, but that's New York for ya. Different eras. Maris was a whole different story. The controversy was because of two things: 1.) The schedule was expanded. Maris had more games to break the record in. This is a legitimate complaint. If the NHL was to shrink their schedule to 50 games or so, should records be held to the same standard as before? Of course not... scoring 20 goals in 50 games is a lot more impressive than scoring 20 goals in 82 games, just as hitting 60 home runs in 154 games is a bit more impressive than hitting 61 in 162. If Ruth had those additional 8 games, what would he have stopped at? Perhaps still 60... but it could have been 64+ 2.) Roger Maris was not well liked by baseball fans. He was kind of a quiet, surly persona. He kept to himself, and didn't bask in the glory of the record. Truth be told, no one cared if the record fell... they just wanted Mickey Mantle to do it. Ruth has a mystery and aura to him that very few athletes(past or present) have. He was a rare figure who was bigger than the game he played.
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