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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 28, 2018 9:24:59 GMT -5
I agree with the “why” Braun is turning. It’s the same reason Seth has the IC Title. That being said, I loved the ending to Raw. I was really into it. To the point where I thought Braun might actually still attack Ziggler and McIntyre but instead we got just a fun attack scenario with guys I didn’t expect to see work together.
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Post by McBlake on Aug 28, 2018 9:29:50 GMT -5
Nah, turning Braun heel is seriously one of the most asinine things WWE has done in years... and that's saying something.
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Post by JTG on Aug 28, 2018 9:33:10 GMT -5
I was at the show last night. It's always more fun to be a part of the show, but I will say the crowd didn't really get into it until the Rollins vs. Kevin Owens match which was awesome. The biggest pop of the night was obviously for Trish. We really do love her here and it was a great surprise that she showed up. Overall it was a fun time, but I felt like there was really only the one great match in the IC title bout. Balor vs. Corbin was pretty good as well and served in furthering the feud. Otherwise I found that there's just a bunch of filler in the 3-hour format. Now that I think of it this was the first full Raw I've watched in years actually haha.
Braun turning was somewhat expected but I'm kind of worried he's just going to be used now to be fed to Roman. I find WWE logic baffling sometimes, and I really try not to complain, but here's a guy that the crowd is/was genuinely behind as a face and then they pull the trigger and turn him heel just to further Reigns' push. I know there's no use complaining because this is just how they operate going back to Cena's heyday. But it felt like they had something special with Braun and now they're just leaving it on the table. We'll just have to see how things play out.
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Post by alanpartridge on Aug 28, 2018 9:54:49 GMT -5
So has Owens left for real or is this kayfabe?
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Post by koreygunz on Aug 28, 2018 10:52:25 GMT -5
I thought Braun would attack Dolph and Drew too, which would have made more sense to me. Use them to get even with Roman for last week, then take them out too and keep his face status. Dont understand the idea to turn him full heel. I also think this is different than the discussion last week of if the Shield had "turned heel," since Braun raising the hands of Dolph and Drew solidified his actual turn in my opinion. Wouldnt surprise me, though, if they turn him right back after losing to Roman.
BTW, if they were looking for someone to turn heel against Roman, why not Bobby Lashley instead of Braun?
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 28, 2018 12:13:44 GMT -5
Sooo each time Braun attempts to cash in he lets everyone know in advance, typical babyface move. Then when Roman knows he’s about to cash in, Seth and Dean come to protect him and jump Braun.
Yet the next week when Braun evens out the odds and gets some help against the Shield, which any logical person would, we’re supposed to buy that he’s the bad guy?
GTFO!
It’s the same thing with the Becky/Charlotte thing. WWE’s booking is so ass, there’s no clear logical direction for anyone or anything. This is why NXT works. Almost everyone there has a clear direction and journey that the fans can get behind and understand. That is nearly non-existent on the main roster. It’s like everyone on the main roster is just floating around and they’re just taken and moved like chess pieces with no rhyme or reason. When that permeates in the main event picture, that’s when you have a problem.
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Post by ohernan6 on Aug 28, 2018 16:18:35 GMT -5
Can we just get Brawn, Ziggler, and McIntyre some matching outfits and call them the Dark Shield or something? It reminds me of a comic book!
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2018 18:27:40 GMT -5
I really hope they aren't completely changing Dean's in-ring style. I know he's only wrestled twice but he hasn't gone to the top rope once, done any suicide dives, etc. I'm hoping he's just working off the rust.
I also miss his old look. Not a fan of the buzz cut and no more wrist/hand tape. He looks too generic now.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 28, 2018 23:18:22 GMT -5
I really hope they aren't completely changing Dean's in-ring style. I know he's only wrestled twice but he hasn't gone to the top rope once, done any suicide dives, etc. He’s wrestling (and looking) like more of a heavyweight. He’s gotten rid of the stringy balding hair. His moves actually look like there’s some fire and intent behind them now. He’s coming off way better since he returned. |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 29, 2018 9:13:49 GMT -5
I really hope they aren't completely changing Dean's in-ring style. I know he's only wrestled twice but he hasn't gone to the top rope once, done any suicide dives, etc. He’s wrestling (and looking) like more of a heavyweight. He’s gotten rid of the stringy balding hair. His moves actually look like there’s some fire and intent behind them now. He’s coming off way better since he returned. I don't understand why they would feel the need to change his style, though. There's enough generic heavyweights who work a slow, methodical pace and have two real moves they use a hundred times every match before it's over after 10 minutes. Ambrose looks to be in great shape and should definitely change things up to an extent, but I don't think it's smart to completely get rid of his previous style considering how great of a worker he always has been. His matches with AJ Styles are still some of AJ's best with the company, IMO. Basically what I'm saying is, tweak his style and image, but don't completely revamp what got him over in the first place. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 29, 2018 15:25:08 GMT -5
He’s wrestling (and looking) like more of a heavyweight. He’s gotten rid of the stringy balding hair. His moves actually look like there’s some fire and intent behind them now. He’s coming off way better since he returned. I don't understand why they would feel the need to change his style, though. He likely spent his time off thinking about how to look and perform better upon returning. |
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Post by marino13 on Aug 29, 2018 18:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think any of Dean's changes were forced on him. They all seem like things he wanted to change. Maybe the story line will be that while he was away, something inside him changed. He's not the same man he was before, sorta thing.
I heard some people online mentioning how they were glad Braun turned heel, because he was dangerously close to becoming a lil too lovable. Sorta like Big Show's & Kane's goofier runs that make it hard to take them serious when they're supposed to be a monster heels. I never really thought about it, but they got a point. I'd rather they keep Braun a lil more serious and more of a monster than a big giant teddy-bear.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Aug 29, 2018 20:02:45 GMT -5
Sooo each time Braun attempts to cash in he lets everyone know in advance, typical babyface move. Then when Roman knows he’s about to cash in, Seth and Dean come to protect him and jump Braun. Yet the next week when Braun evens out the odds and gets some help against the Shield, which any logical person would, we’re supposed to buy that he’s the bad guy? GTFO! It’s the same thing with the Becky/Charlotte thing. WWE’s booking is so ass, there’s no clear logical direction for anyone or anything. This is why NXT works. Almost everyone there has a clear direction and journey that the fans can get behind and understand. That is nearly non-existent on the main roster. It’s like everyone on the main roster is just floating around and they’re just taken and moved like chess pieces with no rhyme or reason. When that permeates in the main event picture, that’s when you have a problem. It's ROMAN'S story /Road Dogg. |
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Post by Chip on Aug 30, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -5
its laughable this company is so blind and stupid they will just turn anyone who's getting bigger reactions than Reigns into a heel Braun was one of the most over guys on the roster, so turn him...now he can be fed to the real #1 guy but go ahead WWE, keep telling us "YOU THE WWE UNIVERSE! are in control! we listen to YOU! YOU"RE the ones that matter!" its a  ing joke. and i hope the ratings/attendance drop to their lowest points in the last few years because of this horseshit |
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 30, 2018 14:59:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think any of Dean's changes were forced on him. They all seem like things he wanted to change. Maybe the story line will be that while he was away, something inside him changed. He's not the same man he was before, sorta thing. I heard some people online mentioning how they were glad Braun turned heel, because he was dangerously close to becoming a lil too lovable. Sorta like Big Show's & Kane's goofier runs that make it hard to take them serious when they're supposed to be a monster heels. I never really thought about it, but they got a point. I'd rather they keep Braun a lil more serious and more of a monster than a big giant teddy-bear. That's not a bad point. They have never really been able to book huge guys properly since Andre. If Braun has to be edgier, or play a heel a bit more...that might not be a bad thing. |
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Post by King Richius on Aug 30, 2018 15:09:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think any of Dean's changes were forced on him. They all seem like things he wanted to change. Maybe the story line will be that while he was away, something inside him changed. He's not the same man he was before, sorta thing. I heard some people online mentioning how they were glad Braun turned heel, because he was dangerously close to becoming a lil too lovable. Sorta like Big Show's & Kane's goofier runs that make it hard to take them serious when they're supposed to be a monster heels. I never really thought about it, but they got a point. I'd rather they keep Braun a lil more serious and more of a monster than a big giant teddy-bear. That's not a bad point. They have never really been able to book huge guys properly since Andre. If Braun has to be edgier, or play a heel a bit more...that might not be a bad thing. The problem as I see it is they can't give every big guy the Andre treatment anymore because Big Show, Kane, Braun, etc. are full timers, not special attractions like Andre was for much of his career. They have to present them as legit monsters so they appear to be real threats to the babyface heroes like Cena and Roman but they can't do that all the time because realistically we all know these seven foot four hundred plus pounders would dominate the roster for as long as they wanted. That's why when they aren't being pushed as unstoppable monsters to give legitimacy to a Cena or Roman, they get treated as comedy acts. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 30, 2018 15:17:30 GMT -5
That's not a bad point. They have never really been able to book huge guys properly since Andre. If Braun has to be edgier, or play a heel a bit more...that might not be a bad thing. The problem as I see it is they can't give every big guy the Andre treatment anymore because Big Show, Kane, Braun, etc. are full timers, not special attractions like Andre was for much of his career. They have to present them as legit monsters so they appear to be real threats to the babyface heroes like Cena and Roman but they can't do that all the time because realistically we all know these seven foot four hundred plus pounders would dominate the roster for as long as they wanted. That's why when they aren't being pushed as unstoppable monsters to give legitimacy to a Cena or Roman, they get treated as comedy acts. Fair. I guess maybe lean more towards the booking that Taker got then. He was always a legit threat, but he was still able to be defeated. Having Braun do the occasional "get these hands" act while holding a double bass like a guitar is funny because it's outlandish, but once that's the norm, he's done. We don't ever need to see crybaby Braun. |
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Post by King Richius on Aug 30, 2018 15:20:03 GMT -5
The problem as I see it is they can't give every big guy the Andre treatment anymore because Big Show, Kane, Braun, etc. are full timers, not special attractions like Andre was for much of his career. They have to present them as legit monsters so they appear to be real threats to the babyface heroes like Cena and Roman but they can't do that all the time because realistically we all know these seven foot four hundred plus pounders would dominate the roster for as long as they wanted. That's why when they aren't being pushed as unstoppable monsters to give legitimacy to a Cena or Roman, they get treated as comedy acts. Fair. I guess maybe lean more towards the booking that Taker got then. He was always a legit threat, but he was still able to be defeated. Having Braun do the occasional "get these hands" act while holding a double bass like a guitar is funny because it's outlandish, but once that's the norm, he's done. We don't ever need to see crybaby Braun.I don't know which was more damaging to Big Show's career. All the crying or this:  |
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 30, 2018 15:24:06 GMT -5
Fair. I guess maybe lean more towards the booking that Taker got then. He was always a legit threat, but he was still able to be defeated. Having Braun do the occasional "get these hands" act while holding a double bass like a guitar is funny because it's outlandish, but once that's the norm, he's done. We don't ever need to see crybaby Braun.I don't know which was more damaging to Big Show's career. All the crying or this:  |
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Post by tg11 on Aug 30, 2018 15:25:08 GMT -5
Who cares I will still cheer for Braun regardless in this feud
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