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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 9, 2018 13:29:23 GMT -5
So, I've been burning through the old SS PPV's on the Network, going in order. Today I watched the 1992 edition, and what a stark change it was to what came before! Whereas from 1987-1991 it was all about Teams of Five Striving To Survive ( sometimes teams of 4 though) except for a WWF Championship singles match added in 91, when 1992 came around there were no traditional survivor tag matches except for one that barely qualified ( a Tag Team elimination match that only saw 2 teams on each side)....instead we got:
WWF Championship Match
Coffin Match
Nightstick on a Pole Match
2 regular Tag Team Matches
A regular Singles Match
...Now, I can see Vince wanting to shake things up, go a different route. But then in 1993 he went right back to the card being mostly Survivor Tag Matches again until 1998 !
So why change up a seemingly successful formula for one year? Anyone hear any stories about why this happened?
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 9, 2018 14:16:53 GMT -5
I chalk it up to Vince wanting to try something new and realized it wasn't a good idea and went back to the old format.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 9, 2018 15:24:51 GMT -5
I chalk it up to Vince wanting to try something new and realized it wasn't a good idea and went back to the old format. This plus how paper thin his roster was during that time period. It also had the lowest buyrate in the events history up to that point so it's no wonder why he went back to the elimination format a year later. |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 9, 2018 17:27:25 GMT -5
Sometimes it just does not call for a trad SS match. 02 is a prime example, you had the chamber which was enough
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Post by PJ on Nov 9, 2018 18:12:57 GMT -5
Sometimes it just does not call for a trad SS match. 02 is a prime example, you had the chamber which was enough No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 18:52:08 GMT -5
Wasn't there one traditional match at 92? I guess he didn't want to do all elimination matches because he figured people wanted title matches on ppvs? A ppv without a title match can be boring. I can't imagine it being done these days.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 9, 2018 19:57:04 GMT -5
I remember reading many years ago about this, and Vince actually hated the concept of the elimination style matches.
In 1991 he tried having the Undertaker vs. Hogan match for the title, and I think he thought then, "I can just cut back on these elimination matches" and that is what happened in 1992. I think fans hated it so Vince went back to the elimination style matches.
But after 1999, Vince went back to the 1992 format of having just one or two elimination style matches on the show, and then have the rest be actual matches.
Also for 1992, the talent pool at the time wasn't big either. Though the thought of Hart, Savage, Perfect and Tatanka vs. HBK, Flair, Ramon and Martel would have made for an entertaining elimination style match!
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Nov 9, 2018 20:27:13 GMT -5
This is how I Fantasy booked it a year ago.
There were way too many departures for this to have worked out using the traditional formula.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 9, 2018 20:57:50 GMT -5
Survivor Series 92, 98 and 02 were great PPV's but awful Survivor Series.
Why name a PPV after a match if you aren't even going to feature one on the show?
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 10, 2018 0:35:08 GMT -5
The roster was to thin to do the traditional matches. Warrior and Bulldog were fired right before the event and The Mountie quit. Bulldog was supposed to defend the IC title against The Mountie at Survivor Series. Hogan wasn't with the company at the time, working his final match that year at Mania against Sid.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 10, 2018 4:43:20 GMT -5
Sometimes it just does not call for a trad SS match. 02 is a prime example, you had the chamber which was enough No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. Well I believe the times SS matches have been absent the replacements have made the PPV feel special, in 02 instead of the 5 on 5s you had a elimination tables match and the first ever EC. Definitely worthy substitutions if you ask me. It plays into the old wrestling ideology of when you have to make a replacement or change of what was advertised you give the fans better. |
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Post by PJ on Nov 10, 2018 5:44:10 GMT -5
No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. Well I believe the times SS matches have been absent the replacements have made the PPV feel special, in 02 instead of the 5 on 5s you had a elimination tables match and the first ever EC. Definitely worthy substitutions if you ask me. It plays into the old wrestling ideology of when you have to make a replacement or change of what was advertised you give the fans better. ‘02 was a letdown to me. The PPV is called Survivor Series...it needs to have at least two of the matches the PPV is named after on the card. That would be like the Elimination Chamber PPV not having an Elimination Chamber Match. Or the Royal Rumble not having a Royal Rumble. WCW having a War Games PPV without a War Games Match. Those PPV’s NEED to have the matches the PPV’s are named after. |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 10, 2018 7:33:42 GMT -5
Well I believe the times SS matches have been absent the replacements have made the PPV feel special, in 02 instead of the 5 on 5s you had a elimination tables match and the first ever EC. Definitely worthy substitutions if you ask me. It plays into the old wrestling ideology of when you have to make a replacement or change of what was advertised you give the fans better. ‘02 was a letdown to me. The PPV is called Survivor Series...it needs to have at least two of the matches the PPV is named after on the card. That would be like the Elimination Chamber PPV not having an Elimination Chamber Match. Or the Royal Rumble not having a Royal Rumble. WCW having a War Games PPV without a War Games Match. Those PPV’s NEED to have the matches the PPV’s are named after. I believe the name Survivor Series grew greater than the match. By the late 90s it was just a bunch of mid and lowercard guys thrown together against eachother in these matches, this is even true up until a decade ago and sometime before and after |
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Post by PJ on Nov 10, 2018 9:01:42 GMT -5
‘02 was a letdown to me. The PPV is called Survivor Series...it needs to have at least two of the matches the PPV is named after on the card. That would be like the Elimination Chamber PPV not having an Elimination Chamber Match. Or the Royal Rumble not having a Royal Rumble. WCW having a War Games PPV without a War Games Match. Those PPV’s NEED to have the matches the PPV’s are named after. I believe the name Survivor Series grew greater than the match. By the late 90s it was just a bunch of mid and lowercard guys thrown together against eachother in these matches, this is even true up until a decade ago and sometime before and after That may be, but it doesn’t matter they still need the matches that the PPV is named after on the card or change the PPV name. If I am watching a PPV that has matches named after that PPV I expect to see it on the card. |
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 12, 2018 4:43:12 GMT -5
Vince's depleted roster HAD to have been a factor in the 1992 decision. On a side note? I adore Survivor Series 2002. One of my all time favourite events..
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 12, 2018 12:36:37 GMT -5
Sometimes it just does not call for a trad SS match. 02 is a prime example, you had the chamber which was enough No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. Having Survivor Series without any elimination matches is like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 12, 2018 14:44:00 GMT -5
No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. Having Survivor Series without any elimination matches is like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad. Or like having a wrestling show without wrestling |
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Post by The Brain on Nov 12, 2018 17:36:27 GMT -5
Having Survivor Series without any elimination matches is like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad. Or like having a wrestling show without wrestling Or Gorilla calling a PPV without this man... 
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Post by LA Times on Nov 12, 2018 18:31:15 GMT -5
No you always need the traditional survivor series matches at Survivor Series...they are what make the PPV special. Having Survivor Series without any elimination matches is like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad. Survivor Series has strayed so far off from its original concept that when there was talk of getting rid of the PPV a few years ago, I was all for it. Survivor Series 2007 and 2008 were 2 of the worst PPV of the 2000s. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 12, 2018 19:26:29 GMT -5
Having Survivor Series without any elimination matches is like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad. Survivor Series has strayed so far off from its original concept that when there was talk of getting rid of the PPV a few years ago, I was all for it. Survivor Series 2007 and 2008 were 2 of the worst PPV of the 2000s. Oh no doubt. The only concept I was ever open to replacing the Survivor Series format was War Games just because its essentially a series of entrants and you have to survive a grueling cage match...so there's still some concept to it. I guess Elimination Chamber could work but I was never a fan of it and now its too gimmicky for me. |
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