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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 6:17:36 GMT -5
lol. They aren’t losing any money. They made it when WalMart ordered the line. And clearly the line sold well if nobody is finding even a Stone Cold left on the pegs. This is hard to believe but not every store will carry an item. It’s up to WalMart corporate what a store carries. And if they don’t allocate it to a store’s polygram that store won’t carry it no matter how many times a store manager or department manager try and order it. I have said this many times in the past after series 1 my local WalMart never carried Mattel’s DCUC line. Not even their exclusive. Many times both the store and department managers tried to order them for me and the warehouse would deny the filling the order. I would ask way and the manager would say it’s up to corporate what they can and can’t order. So I would either have to drive an hour north or drive down to NJ to get my DCUC figures at Walmart. So maybe your area store was never going to get the Flashback wave. Especially if they ordered less of this assortment. I thought Series 1 & 2 sold very well, but didn’t Bill say the line was cancelled? So if it was maybe WalMart didn’t order as many of this assortment? Lol nothing. If more people want it than what they made they’re losing money they could have made. Haha thats very different to what was initially said though and who says if Mattel made a million of the figures that Walmart would have ordered it?
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Post by PJ on Dec 13, 2018 6:39:09 GMT -5
lol. They aren’t losing any money. They made it when WalMart ordered the line. And clearly the line sold well if nobody is finding even a Stone Cold left on the pegs. This is hard to believe but not every store will carry an item. It’s up to WalMart corporate what a store carries. And if they don’t allocate it to a store’s polygram that store won’t carry it no matter how many times a store manager or department manager try and order it. I have said this many times in the past after series 1 my local WalMart never carried Mattel’s DCUC line. Not even their exclusive. Many times both the store and department managers tried to order them for me and the warehouse would deny the filling the order. I would ask way and the manager would say it’s up to corporate what they can and can’t order. So I would either have to drive an hour north or drive down to NJ to get my DCUC figures at Walmart. So maybe your area store was never going to get the Flashback wave. Especially if they ordered less of this assortment. I thought Series 1 & 2 sold very well, but didn’t Bill say the line was cancelled? So if it was maybe WalMart didn’t order as many of this assortment? Lol nothing. If more people want it than what they made they’re losing money they could have made. They only made what WalMart ordered. They don’t just make product and give it to the retailers the retailers are their customers. That is where Mattel makes their money. They don’t see any extra payment on each figure WalMart sell. So it doesn’t matter if we want more if the retailer doesn’t want to order greater numbers of it then Mattel’s not going to make it. They didn’t lose any money.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Dec 13, 2018 7:01:44 GMT -5
Theorising here
Over the festive period they're obviously gonna shift a lot more product. To do that they've got to order more cases. Now then, Christmas or not, The Fashion Police and guys of that variety can't touch Braun, Roman and Cena in terms of popularity. If they just ordered a bazillion regular cases, they'll shift Roman and Braun no problem, and Breezango will be sitting there 'til summer. To counter this, they (Mattel, pronouns pal) make up an assortment of 'more popular guys' available for stores to order in place of the regular cases
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 7:02:09 GMT -5
Lol nothing. If more people want it than what they made they’re losing money they could have made. They only made what WalMart ordered. They don’t just make product and give it to the retailers the retailers are their customers. That is where Mattel makes their money. They don’t see any extra payment on each figure WalMart sell. So it doesn’t matter if we want more if the retailer doesn’t want to order greater numbers of it then Mattel’s not going to make it. They didn’t lose any money. Finally, someone else gets it, I was beginning to think I was alone, when I said the exact same thing, I was virtually set upon by the pick wielding trolls
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 13, 2018 7:09:07 GMT -5
Lol nothing. If more people want it than what they made they’re losing money they could have made. They only made what WalMart ordered. They don’t just make product and give it to the retailers the retailers are their customers. That is where Mattel makes their money. They don’t see any extra payment on each figure WalMart sell. So it doesn’t matter if we want more if the retailer doesn’t want to order greater numbers of it then Mattel’s not going to make it. They didn’t lose any money. If a retailer orders one case and the worldwide collectors would buy 5 cases then they are losing out on selling 4. Simple economics. The fact they can’t find retailers to take them or a way to sell them to the rest of us doesn’t change that fact.
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Post by PJ on Dec 13, 2018 7:46:58 GMT -5
They only made what WalMart ordered. They don’t just make product and give it to the retailers the retailers are their customers. That is where Mattel makes their money. They don’t see any extra payment on each figure WalMart sell. So it doesn’t matter if we want more if the retailer doesn’t want to order greater numbers of it then Mattel’s not going to make it. They didn’t lose any money. If a retailer orders one case and the worldwide collectors would buy 5 cases then they are losing out on selling 4. Simple economics. The fact they can’t find retailers to take them or a way to sell them to the rest of us doesn’t change that fact. No if they make product that they can’t sell because retailers don’t order it then they are losing money. They make the product the retailer ordered then they made their money.
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 13, 2018 8:16:09 GMT -5
If a retailer orders one case and the worldwide collectors would buy 5 cases then they are losing out on selling 4. Simple economics. The fact they can’t find retailers to take them or a way to sell them to the rest of us doesn’t change that fact. No if they make product that they can’t sell because retailers don’t order it then they are losing money. They make the product the retailer ordered then they made their money. Are you being dense on purpose? I quite clearly stated if they cannot find a way to sell them to us they lose out on that money. Forget the retailers, if people want your product and wall mart won’t buy it, find another way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 8:35:17 GMT -5
No if they make product that they can’t sell because retailers don’t order it then they are losing money. They make the product the retailer ordered then they made their money. Are you being dense on purpose? I quite clearly stated if they cannot find a way to sell them to us they lose out on that money. Forget the retailers, if people want your product and wall mart won’t buy it, find another way. Are you? They only make product they have orders for, thats what PJ was saying, i think lol
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Post by PJ on Dec 13, 2018 9:05:20 GMT -5
No if they make product that they can’t sell because retailers don’t order it then they are losing money. They make the product the retailer ordered then they made their money. Are you being dense on purpose? I quite clearly stated if they cannot find a way to sell them to us they lose out on that money. Forget the retailers, if people want your product and wall mart won’t buy it, find another way. If they cannot find a way to sell them to us then they aren’t going to make them because that would cost them money. Just because you want something you missed out on they aren’t losing money. Clearly they felt offering these figures to WalMart as an exclusive line was the only way to release them without them becoming pegwarmers and stopping new inventory from coming out. If people here are saying guys like Roman & Braun are pegwarming at mass retail what do you think Jake the Snake, Harley Race and Ricky Steamboat would do if they were mass released once us old school collectors got ours? These figures need to appeal to children first and foremost as that is who Mattel targets their product to. Everyday there’s a new kid and collector who will be getting their first Roman Reigns or Braun Strowman. That is not going the case with a guy like Harley Race. Once the collectors get theirs there’s no more market for them and if every retailer received them as part of the core line he’s sitting there forever. Hell, every WalMart (4) and Target (6) that has put out E62 I have seen Dude Love lasting longer than I thought he would. Sting, 1 Roman and 1 Braun are usually the ones missing. I think cases are still packed 8 per case. And I think Roman and Braun are 2 per case each. So Mattel offered them as an exclusive (again I thought the FB line sold great around here) but it seems Walmart didn’t so they didn’t order as much of this last assortment and cancelled it. So for now Mattel has made all they can on it. I am sure just like other figures in the past if Bill feels there’s still a great enough demand to justify rereleasing them again he will. But just because there’s people out there who missed out on it doesn’t mean Mattel is losing money. If the demand isn’t great enough then it’s not cost productive to make more. And yes I am upset that I couldn’t pick up another Race and Steamboat, but that’s life.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 13, 2018 9:26:26 GMT -5
Case assortments are really bad lately.
On Amazon, Elite 62 Roman Reigns, Sting, and Braun were available over a month before AOP and Dude Love came in stock.
With Basic 90, I've had Miz and Aiden English for over 2 weeks, my Ronda is still in the pre-order stage and was originally set to arrive on January 24, but has now been moved up to December 17.
So not all characters in whatever series are actually in each case, based on how the characters are trickling out, which makes it even harder because distribution is so bad. This is like way back in Elite 16 where most places either got cases with Diesel OR Kevin Nash. My area never got any Kevin Nsah. Every case was Diesel. So if you get a case that doesn't have Ronda or doesn't have AOP, you may never be able to get these figures, unless you go online.
It just makes it harder.
It will likely be that way with the chases, where certain stores/areas will only get ONE version of Shelton, Hawkins, Aiden, etc.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Dec 13, 2018 13:55:26 GMT -5
And yes I am upset that I couldn’t pick up another Race and Steamboat, but that’s life. The irony. Most people never found this set at all despite scavenging various Wal-Mart locations. And I know you express your position in a very straightforward and reasonable manner (unlike others), but I'm not sure how you can claim Mattel is not losing out on sales when there is unmet demand. I understand your point that Mattel's customer is Wal-Mart, but there are two issues with that. #1.) It ignores that Wal-Mart is a conduit; the true customer is the consumer. Arguing otherwise really makes you lose credibility. And #2.) If we don't buy from Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart won't buy from Mattel, and then Mattel loses that way as well. It is in everyone's interest for Wal-Mart to properly distribute and stock their shelves with Mattel's product (except for scalpers XD). I'm not sure why you are so arguing so blindly except to troll or make others feel bad - and given the fact that you already apparently have this set, it's very convenient for to take that position.
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 13, 2018 14:06:17 GMT -5
Just when you think mattel can't get any worse... I thoight he said it was in a Walmart not the Mattel store?!? Mattel wouldnt randomly ship stuff without being asked for it, no matter how much people want to believe Walmarts distribution is Mattels fault, its just not, they probably had a load of overstock in a warehouse somewhere, and offered it to retailers, Walmart bought it, how can it be Mattels fault? It's mattels fault because they are the ones putting the figures in the cases, which then get sent to the stores. In no uncertain terms this should not be happening. The fact that it is and happening all over the place just shows how inept mattel is. Does this happen with hasbro, neca, etc ?? No it does not, the www mattel line is going down the drain. Could you imagine if your a small mom and pop shop and you order some wwe figures and this happens ? I would be furious and refuse to order from them again if they did not make it right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:14:34 GMT -5
I thoight he said it was in a Walmart not the Mattel store?!? Mattel wouldnt randomly ship stuff without being asked for it, no matter how much people want to believe Walmarts distribution is Mattels fault, its just not, they probably had a load of overstock in a warehouse somewhere, and offered it to retailers, Walmart bought it, how can it be Mattels fault? It's mattels fault because they are the ones putting the figures in the cases, which then get sent to the stores. In no uncertain terms this should not be happening. The fact that it is and happening all over the place just shows how inept mattel is. Does this happen with hasbro, neca, etc ?? No it does not, the www mattel line is going down the drain. Could you imagine if your a small mom and pop shop and you order some wwe figures and this happens ? I would be furious and refuse to order from them again if they did not make it right. Well the mom and pop shop would pi55ed if it wasnt what they ordered, but not if it was, who says they arent ordering these cases? They might be overstock cases Mattel do not randomly send companies stock, they only send what the companies ask for, its a fact
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 13, 2018 14:27:44 GMT -5
It's mattels fault because they are the ones putting the figures in the cases, which then get sent to the stores. In no uncertain terms this should not be happening. The fact that it is and happening all over the place just shows how inept mattel is. Does this happen with hasbro, neca, etc ?? No it does not, the www mattel line is going down the drain. Could you imagine if your a small mom and pop shop and you order some wwe figures and this happens ? I would be furious and refuse to order from them again if they did not make it right. Well the mom and pop shop would pi55ed if it wasnt what they ordered, but not if it was, who says they arent ordering these cases? They might be overstock cases Mattel do not randomly send companies stock, they only send what the companies ask for, its a fact I don't know of any independent stores that are saying yes we need of case of wwe figures with "5 or 6 roman's" in it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:35:32 GMT -5
Well the mom and pop shop would pi55ed if it wasnt what they ordered, but not if it was, who says they arent ordering these cases? They might be overstock cases Mattel do not randomly send companies stock, they only send what the companies ask for, its a fact I don't know of any independent stores that are saying yes we need of case of wwe figures with "5 or 6 roman's" in it. But why would they tell you? There are stores that take overstock, tk maxx or tj i think its called in the US, home bargains, b&m all take overstock, the cases arent how they appeared in Smyths, they are cases without the short packed figure or the popular figure, so Mattel obviously sell overstock cases to retailers, so if Mattel asked Walmart if they want cases of Roman Reigns, the second most popular superstar on the roster, at a refuced rate, chances are stores would say yes, particularly when he sells so well
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Dec 13, 2018 14:41:19 GMT -5
I thoight he said it was in a Walmart not the Mattel store?!? Mattel wouldnt randomly ship stuff without being asked for it, no matter how much people want to believe Walmarts distribution is Mattels fault, its just not, they probably had a load of overstock in a warehouse somewhere, and offered it to retailers, Walmart bought it, how can it be Mattels fault? It's mattels fault because they are the ones putting the figures in the cases, which then get sent to the stores. In no uncertain terms this should not be happening. The fact that it is and happening all over the place just shows how inept mattel is. Does this happen with hasbro, neca, etc ?? No it does not, the www mattel line is going down the drain.Could you imagine if your a small mom and pop shop and you order some wwe figures and this happens ? I would be furious and refuse to order from them again if they did not make it right. yes it does. theres short packed figures in just about every single action figure line.
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 13, 2018 14:50:12 GMT -5
I don't know of any independent stores that are saying yes we need of case of wwe figures with "5 or 6 roman's" in it. But why would they tell you? There are stores that take overstock, tk maxx or tj i think its called in the US, home bargains, b&m all take overstock, the cases arent how they appeared in Smyths, they are cases without the short packed figure or the popular figure, so Mattel obviously sell overstock cases to retailers, so if Mattel asked Walmart if they want cases of Roman Reigns, the second most popular superstar on the roster, at a refuced rate, chances are stores would say yes, particularly when he sells so well Your making the assumption that mattel communicates with walmart and target which I highly suspect. I think giving mattel's track record they probably don't say anything and just send out whatever they have. Also why would you have overstock/repacked cases sent to major retail stores ? Maybe you can do that with big lots, tj maxx, ollies, etc that buy in bulk. This Assortment Nonsense is just hot garbage. It is bad for the stores because they will not sell and bad for wrestling fans that want to buy certain figures but got "5-6 roman figures" instead.
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Post by PJ on Dec 13, 2018 14:50:24 GMT -5
And yes I am upset that I couldn’t pick up another Race and Steamboat, but that’s life. The irony. Most people never found this set at all despite scavenging various Wal-Mart locations. And I know you express your position in a very straightforward and reasonable manner (unlike others), but I'm not sure how you can claim Mattel is not losing out on sales when there is unmet demand. I understand your point that Mattel's customer is Wal-Mart, but there are two issues with that. #1.) It ignores that Wal-Mart is a conduit; the true customer is the consumer. Arguing otherwise really makes you lose credibility. And #2.) If we don't buy from Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart won't buy from Mattel, and then Mattel loses that way as well. It is in everyone's interest for Wal-Mart to properly distribute and stock their shelves with Mattel's product (except for scalpers XD). I'm not sure why you are so arguing so blindly except to troll or make others feel bad - and given the fact that you already apparently have this set, it's very convenient for to take that position. First the other Race was for an overseas friend I said I would help out so I was upset that I couldn’t get one for him. In all the years I have helped him out I think this was only the second time I could find the figure he wanted. (First was E16 Nash) I still need to find a Roberts, because I passed when I first saw it because I have the Legends and All-Stars Roberts already so he wasn’t a priority at the time. I agree 100% that every WalMart should carry the same product. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Mattel. They DO NOT ship to every individual store and they have zero input into which stores WalMart corporate decides carries which product or how much the stores are allocated. That’s all on the retailer. It would be different if the retailers ordered product and Mattel wasn’t able to fulfill the retailers orders thus not having product on the pegs. But that isn’t the case. Mattel did fulfill the order. And like I said above I have 5-6 WalMarts that I frequent pretty regularly and with the first two FB waves they all seemed to get 2-4 cases between two shipments which all seemed to sell out fairly quick. And I was surprised when Bill said the FB line was cancelled. So if Walmart canceled the line I wouldn’t be surprised if this last wave was released in lesser quantities. But again that has nothing to do with Mattel. Why produce more of this wave if they no longer have a retailer to sell it? That makes zero business sense. Again I am sure if Bill feels there’s a high enough demand to justify the production cost he’ll will find a way to rerelease them. And this new conspiracy theory of Mattel not shipping stores full assortments I highly doubt is true. It’s more than likely someone (possibly even a store employee) bought the other ones first. Or it could have been product from another store. How many times on this board do we read about members buying all the pegwarmers from their stores and return it to a store in another area? At the end of the day it’s the retailers who need to get the product on their shelves, but Mattel is only going to ship them what they order. That said Lorenzo was right about one thing and that is these waves with the new variants will be a pain in the butt because it seems the cases of chases alway go to the same area because they are always released in the same shipment. With the 1/1000 belts in 2010 it seemed my area only got Big Show, Austin and Edge. Every store I went to there was at least one of those three. E16 Nash/ Diesel I saw at least 25 Diesel figures between my stores and 1 Nash. What Mattel should do with these new variants is split the shipment . Make the first shipment all with the regular figure and then ship the second shipment with the chase figures this way when stores get their restock from theirwarehouse it will hopefully be shipment 2 with the variants.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 15:02:35 GMT -5
But why would they tell you? There are stores that take overstock, tk maxx or tj i think its called in the US, home bargains, b&m all take overstock, the cases arent how they appeared in Smyths, they are cases without the short packed figure or the popular figure, so Mattel obviously sell overstock cases to retailers, so if Mattel asked Walmart if they want cases of Roman Reigns, the second most popular superstar on the roster, at a refuced rate, chances are stores would say yes, particularly when he sells so well Your making the assumption that mattel communicates with walmart and target which I highly suspect. I think giving mattel's track record they probably don't say anything and just send out whatever they have. Also why would you have overstock/repacked cases sent to major retail stores ? Maybe you can do that with big lots, tj maxx, ollies, etc that buy in bulk. This Assortment Nonsense is just hot garbage. It is bad for the stores because they will not sell and bad for wrestling fans that want to buy certain figures but got "5-6 roman figures" instead. Surely you dont honestly believe Mattel send random cases of stuff out without it being ordered? Come on, really?
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 13, 2018 15:05:26 GMT -5
Your making the assumption that mattel communicates with walmart and target which I highly suspect. I think giving mattel's track record they probably don't say anything and just send out whatever they have. Also why would you have overstock/repacked cases sent to major retail stores ? Maybe you can do that with big lots, tj maxx, ollies, etc that buy in bulk. This Assortment Nonsense is just hot garbage. It is bad for the stores because they will not sell and bad for wrestling fans that want to buy certain figures but got "5-6 roman figures" instead. Surely you dont honestly believe Mattel send random cases of stuff out without it being ordered? Come on, really? I mean when walmart and target orders wwe figures mattel just sends out whatever they have.
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