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Post by Gorilla on Dec 24, 2018 11:44:24 GMT -5
They are not used in the same way. "Macho Man" Randy Savage can be called by his "name" Randy Savage or by his nickname Macho Man. Look at his figure packaging. Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Bret Hart etc are all the same. Now take a look at a Dean Ambrose Mattel figure... where does it say "Lunatic Fringe" on the package? That's right it doesn't. The writing has been terrible for awhile now. Ever since they purchased WCW. They still get a huge pop from the Undertaker,a character created back in 1990 by Bruce Prichard. The only success in the mid to late 2000's had come from returning legends, HBK, Undertaker, Kane, Rock, Triple H, Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. No one wants to see these flip flop unmasked luchadors do highly choreographed moves week after week. Yep people can deny it all they want. but the fact that Raw has set record low ratings five times this year proves it. Braun Strowman is basically One Man Gang |
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Post by IRS on Dec 24, 2018 11:44:48 GMT -5
They are not used in the same way. "Macho Man" Randy Savage can be called by his "name" Randy Savage or by his nickname Macho Man. Look at his figure packaging. Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Bret Hart etc are all the same. Now take a look at a Dean Ambrose Mattel figure... where does it say "Lunatic Fringe" on the package? That's right it doesn't. The writing has been terrible for awhile now. Ever since they purchased WCW. They still get a huge pop from the Undertaker,a character created back in 1990 by Bruce Prichard. The only success in the mid to late 2000's had come from returning legends, HBK, Undertaker, Kane, Rock, Triple H, Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. No one wants to see these flip flop unmasked luchadors do highly choreographed moves week after week. Yep people can deny it all they want. but the fact that Raw has set record low ratings five times this year proves it. That surely has nothing to do with RAW featuring such breathtaking storylines as a man pissing himself. Nope. It's definitely the vanilla midgets' fault. |
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Post by blissfan4life on Dec 24, 2018 12:21:05 GMT -5
They are not used in the same way. "Macho Man" Randy Savage can be called by his "name" Randy Savage or by his nickname Macho Man. Look at his figure packaging. Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Bret Hart etc are all the same. Now take a look at a Dean Ambrose Mattel figure... where does it say "Lunatic Fringe" on the package? That's right it doesn't. The writing has been terrible for awhile now. Ever since they purchased WCW. They still get a huge pop from the Undertaker,a character created back in 1990 by Bruce Prichard. The only success in the mid to late 2000's had come from returning legends, HBK, Undertaker, Kane, Rock, Triple H, Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. No one wants to see these flip flop unmasked luchadors do highly choreographed moves week after week. Yep people can deny it all they want. but the fact that Raw has set record low ratings five times this year proves it. Yet they're still low even if the higher profile guys main event. |
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Dec 24, 2018 13:35:52 GMT -5
SD is way Better and I think ratings are better ...they have AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan
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Post by FLUX on Dec 24, 2018 15:36:40 GMT -5
You are kidding right? They have more taglines and nicknames than ever. “The architect, the lunatic fringe, the monster among men, broken/woken Matt Hardy, the charismatic enigma, the king of strong style, the artist known as Shinsuke Nakamura, the Phenomenal AJ Styles, Andrade ‘Cien’ Almas, Rowdy Ronda Rousey, the Goddess Alexa Bliss, the modern day Maharaja. ... I could go on and on. You seem like you’d be better off watching old tapes instead of the current product, which is completely fine, but don’t hate on it just for the sake of it... They are not used in the same way. "Macho Man" Randy Savage can be called by his "name" Randy Savage or by his nickname Macho Man. Look at his figure packaging. Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Bret Hart etc are all the same. Now take a look at a Dean Ambrose Mattel figure... where does it say "Lunatic Fringe" on the package? That's right it doesn't. The writing has been terrible for awhile now. Ever since they purchased WCW. They still get a huge pop from the Undertaker,a character created back in 1990 by Bruce Prichard. The only success in the mid to late 2000's had come from returning legends, HBK, Undertaker, Kane, Rock, Triple H, Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. No one wants to see these flip flop unmasked luchadors do highly choreographed moves week after week.And yet when they brought these old farts out of the retirement home, the ratings were still down. Maybe it just has to do with the fact that more people are cutting their cable and that DVR and streaming are both prevalent...just a guess. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 25, 2018 2:45:47 GMT -5
You... you can't be serious. NJPW is literally the second biggest wrestling promotion in the world. They sold out 50,000 seats at the Tokyo Dome this year. Lucha Underground is a niche promotion that is scraping by on the skin of its teeth. LU isn't even bigger than PWG. They sold out 50k seats with an undercard that is absolute trash and storylines straight out of Vince Russo’s playbook. We should be counting our stars that Minoru Suzuki hasn’t tried to chop off someone’s penis...not yet, anyway. Can somebody get johnny trollface over here some decaf? Seriously dude, breathe. Slowly in through your nose. Hold it for a sec. Now exhale, slowly, out of your mouth. Trust me it will make you feel better. |
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Dec 25, 2018 5:53:06 GMT -5
They want you to tune in so you don't hear about AEW on Twitter Nobody in WWE corporate gives two  s about Cody Rhodes’ money mark promotion. they gave more than two about TNA and look how bad that place is. They're watching these guys. Same reason they offered them 7 figure contracts EACH while being just "indie darlings" to them. They may not be worried about them whatsoever as competition, but giving a shit? I bet they do. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 25, 2018 10:42:23 GMT -5
- wrestlers seem to switch from heel to face too often and without a decent storyline. Remember Jake Roberts' heel turn on Savage? Jake never turned heel on Randy Savage. He turned heel on Ultimate Warrior when he was “training” Warrior to face Undertaker. I take your point in general though. But I’m not sure to what extent any of those problems can be fixed anymore. |
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 25, 2018 14:06:20 GMT -5
- wrestlers seem to switch from heel to face too often and without a decent storyline. Remember Jake Roberts' heel turn on Savage? Jake never turned heel on Randy Savage. He turned heel on Ultimate Warrior when he was “training” Warrior to face Undertaker. I take your point in general though. But I’m not sure to what extent any of those problems can be fixed anymore. Thanks for the correction! I forgot about the Warrior storyline. It's a shame it didn't really go anywhere. It would have been cool to see Jake and Taker vs Savage and Warrior at a PPV |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 25, 2018 16:11:56 GMT -5
Jake never turned heel on Randy Savage. He turned heel on Ultimate Warrior when he was “training” Warrior to face Undertaker. I take your point in general though. But I’m not sure to what extent any of those problems can be fixed anymore. Thanks for the correction! I forgot about the Warrior storyline. It's a shame it didn't really go anywhere. It would have been cool to see Jake and Taker vs Savage and Warrior at a PPV Yeah, it would. I guess it would’ve happened if Warrior hadn’t left. There are classic feuds from that era that I was so excited about but never saw the matches until years later because I never got the home videos at the time - Warrior vs Taker and Warrior vs Shango are the main ones. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 26, 2018 9:06:27 GMT -5
If I had to guess, it'll be something reactive and not pro active, probably involving a former big attitude era name star, who they can temporarily get in for Wrestlemania Season as a short term fix. Then, they'll disappear again, and we'll be back to square one. If they think that what people want to see in 2018 is a McMahon family breakup, or The Rock vs Brock Lesnar, or Triple H vs Batista, then they're delusional.
At this point, if I had to play fantasy booker, then Triple H turning on Vince and the McMahon's, exposing them for being out of touch with what the people want, and bringing in an NXT invasion for Wrestlemania, would be extremely refreshing and blur the lines of reality, despite how many times we've seen invasion angles played out.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 26, 2018 15:40:02 GMT -5
Serious question... Why was Joey Ryan being lead to the ring by a bunch of penis druids praised by most, but a pee joke on RAW is too far? I mean, I personally hated both, but that doesn't seem to be the general consensus.
Also, maybe I'm underestimating it, but I think we're already seeing the beginning part of their bigger January plans. More action, new talent, and (hopefully) better stories. While still far from perfect, I thought the episodes from last week and this week were considerably better. And considering they're pre-recorded episodes, I'm sure they're holding back till after the holidays before going full force into this new direction.
But who knows, I'm disenfranchised with reality, so I could be way off.
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Post by IRS on Dec 26, 2018 19:12:52 GMT -5
Serious question... Why was Joey Ryan being lead to the ring by a bunch of penis druids praised by most, but a pee joke on RAW is too far? I mean, I personally hated both, but that doesn't seem to be the general consensus. Also, maybe I'm underestimating it, but I think we're already seeing the beginning part of their bigger January plans. More action, new talent, and (hopefully) better stories. While still far from perfect, I thought the episodes from last week and this week were considerably better. And considering they're pre-recorded episodes, I'm sure they're holding back till after the holidays before going full force into this new direction. But who knows, I'm disenfranchised with reality, so I could be way off. The penis druids were extremely in-line with both Hangman Page and Joey Ryan's characters and the storyline that was built for months. The other came out of nowhere and was stupid and unintentionally cheesy, unlike the first, which was 100% tongue-in-cheek from the start. It's not that it was too far, it's that it was executed terribly and was never going to lead to anything other than giving Vince his jollies - at least imo. |
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Post by Cameron Stone on Dec 29, 2018 21:56:27 GMT -5
I don't think the ratings will ever really pick up again, not really. Even if it's good product. With the network, and PPVs every month, I literally haven't watched RAW and Smackdown regularly in YEARS, and I'm not lost on what's going on. Not in the slightest. Between YouTube clips and even just reading results online, there isn't a real reason to watch RAW. I'd rather just see the PPVs every month, not sit through a commercial laden show every week.
That's just the reality of current times.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 29, 2018 22:03:25 GMT -5
So many things wrong the product, but for me it comes back to the belts. Not one belt means anything, and hasn’t done for years. I’m not just referring to Brock. Start there - have us believe the wrestlers actually want to be a champion and then build from that, at this point I couldn’t even name all the champions. Just my opinion This x 1000 I realize that pro wrestling is a simple scripted TV show but there still has to be an end game. They were quick to shove the word Entertainment in while removing wrestling but they never bothered to take out the word sport. In sports there's always an end game and its a championship. Regardless of your sport the ultimate goal is to be a champion. We need 3 title (Main, "Mid card" and tag) as well as a womens main & womens tag and thats it. |
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Post by K5 on Dec 29, 2018 23:26:45 GMT -5
If I had to guess, it'll be something reactive and not pro active, probably involving a former big attitude era name star, who they can temporarily get in for Wrestlemania Season as a short term fix. Then, they'll disappear again, and we'll be back to square one. If they think that what people want to see in 2018 is a McMahon family breakup, or The Rock vs Brock Lesnar, or Triple H vs Batista, then they're delusional. At this point, if I had to play fantasy booker, then Triple H turning on Vince and the McMahon's, exposing them for being out of touch with what the people want, and bringing in an NXT invasion for Wrestlemania, would be extremely refreshing and blur the lines of reality, despite how many times we've seen invasion angles played out. couldn’t agree more. and that storyline you suggested is actually a great idea. |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Dec 30, 2018 16:41:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction! I forgot about the Warrior storyline. It's a shame it didn't really go anywhere. It would have been cool to see Jake and Taker vs Savage and Warrior at a PPV Yeah, it would. I guess it would’ve happened if Warrior hadn’t left. There are classic feuds from that era that I was so excited about but never saw the matches until years later because I never got the home videos at the time - Warrior vs Taker and Warrior vs Shango are the main ones. Remember the Bulldog vs. Perfect feud from Late Spring 1991-Mid Summer 1991 that was on every Event Center but never went anywhere? Just house shows? I mean they even had WWF Magazine articles dedicated to it. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 30, 2018 18:17:52 GMT -5
So many things wrong the product, but for me it comes back to the belts. Not one belt means anything, and hasn’t done for years. I’m not just referring to Brock. Start there - have us believe the wrestlers actually want to be a champion and then build from that, at this point I couldn’t even name all the champions. Just my opinion This x 1000 I realize that pro wrestling is a simple scripted TV show but there still has to be an end game. They were quick to shove the word Entertainment in while removing wrestling but they never bothered to take out the word sport. In sports there's always an end game and its a championship. Regardless of your sport the ultimate goal is to be a champion. We need 3 title (Main, "Mid card" and tag) as well as a womens main & womens tag and thats it. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 30, 2018 19:55:52 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem is, the talent need more character. We need to understand who they are. We need to know what drives them. Why are they a face, why are they a heel? The in-ring portion is there, but everyone needs more character. Give the fans something to gravitate to.
Also a few weeks ago on WWE's YouTube, Mustafa Ali going to the back after his loss to Bryan. Usos, Hardy, & New Day were back there congratulating him on his performance. THAT's exactly the sort of thing that needs to be on TV. That will help the fans understand that someone like Mustafa is respected by his peers. That helps fans identify with the talent.
I also think WWE needs to stop being so PG with their heels. The more hated your heels are, the more beloved your faces will be. They need to find a few heels, that can truely be unleashed. Ambrose should be trying to damn near kill Rollins instead of getting a shot in his ass.
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Post by Daredevil on Dec 30, 2018 20:12:20 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem is, the talent need more character. We need to understand who they are. We need to know what drives them. Why are they a face, why are they a heel? The in-ring portion is there, but everyone needs more character. Give the fans something to gravitate to. Also a few weeks ago on WWE's YouTube, Mustafa Ali going to the back after his loss to Bryan. Usos, Hardy, & New Day were back there congratulating him on his performance. THAT's exactly the sort of thing that needs to be on TV. That will help the fans understand that someone like Mustafa is respected by his peers. That helps fans identify with the talent. I also think WWE needs to stop being so PG with their heels. The more hated your heels are, the more beloved your faces will be. They need to find a few heels, that can truely be unleashed. Ambrose should be trying to damn near kill Rollins instead of getting a shot in his ass. Everyone looks like a basic 'create a wrestler' now. No one sticks out. No one has personality. Everyone is just trying to be the edgiest guy on the roster so he appeals to the 'cool' 18-20 neckbeard demographic. Some of this is on WWE, sure, but can we have someone that doesn't just have long black hair or a Balor cut with black clothing? Everyone is as dull as rice you forgot to put salt in while cooking. It tastes sh*t, because it is sh*t. And it doesn't help that the entire WWE production feels as sterile as a hospital. Everything is too clean. I can smell the scent of sanitiser through my TV. |
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