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Post by stc13 on May 15, 2019 17:54:10 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to wrestling over the next few months. I think it's safe to assume AEW is holding back some surprises for Double or Nothing and the tv debut, at the very least. With the buzz they already had and shows selling out, there was no reason to give out any other big reveals. But I'm also interested in seeing the ripple effect.
Some AEW signings are going to be leaving indies and super indies, which should open up new top of the card slots for another wave of workers on that scene. And with many reports that WWE locker room morale is at an all-time low and wrestlers are frustrated with creative direction and changes, I really wonder what kind of roster movement we could see if AEW develops a positive locker room, can pay good money, and offers wrestlers some creative fulfillment. WWE will always be WWE. But I do wonder if some of the decisions they've made over the last 5-10 years could come back to bite them.
But most of all, I'm excited because the wrestling presentation Cody talks about is what I'm interested in watching. The Khans have a business plan, the war chest to take losses while building a brand and fan base. And they have hired some people for behind the scenes roles who seem like some of the brightest talent not working for the WWE. The elements are there. Now we just have to see if they can deliver, and present a product that can catch and retain an audience.
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Post by LK3 on May 15, 2019 20:15:02 GMT -5
I'm loving the news about the TV deal but I am not happy about Double or Nothing. I have no idea what B/R is and I was hoping to have all my AEW and Starrcast stuff in one place. They should have stuck with FITE. Bleacher Report. Sports website/app/and since last year they started a streaming service. I love the app for sports news and whatnot. Never used the streaming service, but if it's the cheapest place to order the show then that is what I will do. I wonder how they will handle monthly or bi-monthly PPV's after they begin weekly TV, because at $50 a pop at the cheapest, that's not something I'm willing to pay to watch EVERY single PPV.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on May 15, 2019 20:34:29 GMT -5
I’m hyped for a new promotion. Can’t wait for AEW
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Post by LK3 on May 16, 2019 6:05:38 GMT -5
I just saw a commercial for the PPV on DirecTV and they advertised $49.99, so if that's the case I'm ordering it with them instead of B/R Live.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on May 16, 2019 6:07:08 GMT -5
I think its time for AEW to get its own titled board..
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Post by punksnotdead on May 16, 2019 6:41:01 GMT -5
The PPV prices are a problem. The UK price is right on the money, but the US cost of $50-$60 is just going to make people watch online for free or skip the show(s) altogether. WWE has already told us that PPVs aren’t worth $60 anymore. We get Mania, Rumble, MITB, all for $10, plus the most extensive pro wrestling streaming library on the planet.
Traditional PPV is dead. That’s just a reality AEW is going to have to face imo. Right now they get a “we’re all excited” pass, but in a world of monthly streaming content, (Netflix/Hulu/Disney+/Prime) they’re just not going to be able to sell $60 PPVs. It has nothing to do with the quality of content. As a society we have decided content isn’t worth anymore than like $15 a month.
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Post by JC Motors on May 16, 2019 8:19:25 GMT -5
We're going to need a separate AEW section under Pro-Wrestling guys, the TNT deal is huge. let's get rid of the impact/tna section, it's an independent now anyways. That board is deader than a dead mall
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Post by stc13 on May 16, 2019 9:17:36 GMT -5
I'll take a wait and see approach on the PPV model. Obviously right now they have the hype and buzz that should sell events, and are almost guaranteed to have some fun reveals. But 6-12 months from now? That's hard to sustain.
For $50-60, you could have your pick of WWE Network, NJPW World, ROH, Impact's streaming service, and throw in a fun indy like Progress. Plus all of their library content. I don't know how you present the same value proposition for a 3 hour show as *all of that*. I get wanting it to have the big fight feel of UFC or a major boxing event, and pricing it as such. But historically wrestling draws very different demographics that aren't going to have that type of cash to throw around regularly.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on May 16, 2019 10:42:29 GMT -5
let's get rid of the impact/tna section, it's an independent now anyways. That board is deader than a dead mall I agree get rid of impact and put up AEW
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 11:35:21 GMT -5
I agree that the ppv price is too high. It should be $20-30.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 16, 2019 12:50:47 GMT -5
This PPV is the real deal, I was watching the horse racing here on ITV in the UK and it was advertised on the racing! I think WWE could have a a serious competitor.
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Post by @brit_figs on May 16, 2019 15:23:58 GMT -5
Seeing an advert on ITV in the U.K. for this today just BLEW my mind.
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Post by warriorlynx on May 17, 2019 9:34:21 GMT -5
The PPV prices are a problem. The UK price is right on the money, but the US cost of $50-$60 is just going to make people watch online for free or skip the show(s) altogether. WWE has already told us that PPVs aren’t worth $60 anymore. We get Mania, Rumble, MITB, all for $10, plus the most extensive pro wrestling streaming library on the planet. Traditional PPV is dead. That’s just a reality AEW is going to have to face imo. Right now they get a “we’re all excited” pass, but in a world of monthly streaming content, (Netflix/Hulu/Disney+/Prime) they’re just not going to be able to sell $60 PPVs. It has nothing to do with the quality of content. As a society we have decided content isn’t worth anymore than like $15 a month. I don't believe PPV business is dead, it's down for the WWE simply because of the Network, if you look at 2015's numbers (not a lot of subscribers then) they went from 9 million in the first quarter down to 3.5 million the next quarter and stayed quite stagnant ever since. UFC proves that PPV still goes, like Khabib vs. McGregor got 2,400,000 buys last year. The reality is WWE isn't for the masses anymore, wrestling in general people have moved on from unless you can get another Hogan or Austin, and bring wrestling back into pop culture.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 17, 2019 11:31:07 GMT -5
The PPV prices are a problem. The UK price is right on the money, but the US cost of $50-$60 is just going to make people watch online for free or skip the show(s) altogether. WWE has already told us that PPVs aren’t worth $60 anymore. We get Mania, Rumble, MITB, all for $10, plus the most extensive pro wrestling streaming library on the planet. Traditional PPV is dead. That’s just a reality AEW is going to have to face imo. Right now they get a “we’re all excited” pass, but in a world of monthly streaming content, (Netflix/Hulu/Disney+/Prime) they’re just not going to be able to sell $60 PPVs. It has nothing to do with the quality of content. As a society we have decided content isn’t worth anymore than like $15 a month. I don't believe PPV business is dead, it's down for the WWE simply because of the Network, if you look at 2015's numbers (not a lot of subscribers then) they went from 9 million in the first quarter down to 3.5 million the next quarter and stayed quite stagnant ever since. UFC proves that PPV still goes, like Khabib vs. McGregor got 2,400,000 buys last year. The reality is WWE isn't for the masses anymore, wrestling in general people have moved on from unless you can get another Hogan or Austin, and bring wrestling back into pop culture. Boxing and UFC survive off of sports betting. At a base level, there is also still genuine curiosity about who is going to win a contest because it's not predetermined. So none of that is applicable to pro wrestling. I guess the super fight argument could be made as a box office parallel to boxing or UFC, but I don't think pro wrestling has any of those right now. Maybe Punk vs Omega. WWE had one with Ronda and Becky and they blew it. Still though, those are once, twice, a year. AEW has no credibility as a company to a general audience and they're charging $60 for PPV out of the gate. Which scares off the curiosity consumer and that means they're throwing away tons of buzz they've built up in the last few months. They haven't aired a second of television, outside of BTE which only has like 350K subscribers. UFC has loads of content, credibility, and gives away fight nights. All things WWE does too, albeit wrapped inside a $9.99 monthly package. WWE is driving the wresting market, though. You can't turn around and tell wrestling fans to go back to paying $60 for a 3 hour show when they already get everything WWE has to offer for $10. I'm absolutely willing to spend $60 on this PPV, and that's fine to me because I love these guys and support what they're doing. However, I'm not expecting everyone to be able to do that, nor want to do that, and nor do I think they should be asked to do that before AEW earns anything. WWE is making $20 million a month without traditional PPV. So AEW, this cool alternative to WWE, already feels inferior to WWE in that regard. It was a poor decision and probably a lack of foresight on their part from an entertainment perspective. Maybe that changes as they get their feet under them but $60 PPV is an antiquated concept in the wrestling business, and there isn't any argument in that for me. People aren't even willing to pay $60 a month for their entire cable package anymore, let alone a wrestling PPV.
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Post by warriorlynx on May 17, 2019 18:06:16 GMT -5
I don't believe PPV business is dead, it's down for the WWE simply because of the Network, if you look at 2015's numbers (not a lot of subscribers then) they went from 9 million in the first quarter down to 3.5 million the next quarter and stayed quite stagnant ever since. UFC proves that PPV still goes, like Khabib vs. McGregor got 2,400,000 buys last year. The reality is WWE isn't for the masses anymore, wrestling in general people have moved on from unless you can get another Hogan or Austin, and bring wrestling back into pop culture. Boxing and UFC survive off of sports betting. At a base level, there is also still genuine curiosity about who is going to win a contest because it's not predetermined. So none of that is applicable to pro wrestling. I guess the super fight argument could be made as a box office parallel to boxing or UFC, but I don't think pro wrestling has any of those right now. Maybe Punk vs Omega. WWE had one with Ronda and Becky and they blew it. Still though, those are once, twice, a year. AEW has no credibility as a company to a general audience and they're charging $60 for PPV out of the gate. Which scares off the curiosity consumer and that means they're throwing away tons of buzz they've built up in the last few months. They haven't aired a second of television, outside of BTE which only has like 350K subscribers. UFC has loads of content, credibility, and gives away fight nights. All things WWE does too, albeit wrapped inside a $9.99 monthly package. WWE is driving the wresting market, though. You can't turn around and tell wrestling fans to go back to paying $60 for a 3 hour show when they already get everything WWE has to offer for $10. I'm absolutely willing to spend $60 on this PPV, and that's fine to me because I love these guys and support what they're doing. However, I'm not expecting everyone to be able to do that, nor want to do that, and nor do I think they should be asked to do that before AEW earns anything. WWE is making $20 million a month without traditional PPV. So AEW, this cool alternative to WWE, already feels inferior to WWE in that regard. It was a poor decision and probably a lack of foresight on their part from an entertainment perspective. Maybe that changes as they get their feet under them but $60 PPV is an antiquated concept in the wrestling business, and there isn't any argument in that for me. People aren't even willing to pay $60 a month for their entire cable package anymore, let alone a wrestling PPV. I understand what u mean. As long as it's not monthly ppvs then it should be okay. I really hope they start off with 6 or 7 PPVs a year tops to keep people away from being exhausted and I always loved the wait. Too many ppvs is overkill for a new company. I wanted to go to a live WWE ppv this year and 1200 bucks minimum no thanks, would rather pay 60 bucks and enjoy it at home, but that's just me.
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Post by Edge618 on May 18, 2019 18:14:41 GMT -5
Lets not completely trash them for the PPV price until the tv show gets off the ground and see what model they use. I dont see them doing monthly PPVs, i see quarterly. So $50 every 4 months isnt bad, plus throw in some free special events on TNT in between, and that would be fine by me if they wanted to go the full price PPV route.
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Post by vampiroporvida on May 18, 2019 18:43:06 GMT -5
Pac is not in AEW anymore? What is happening?
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Post by LK3 on May 18, 2019 19:24:47 GMT -5
The match is reportedly off because he doesn’t want to lose to anybody right now. I kinda thought he would win, but I guess that wasn’t the plan.
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Post by vampiroporvida on May 18, 2019 20:14:03 GMT -5
The match is reportedly off because he doesn’t want to lose to anybody right now. I kinda thought he would win, but I guess that wasn’t the plan. Man, I respect that he doesn't want to lose, and AEW respected him enough to let him out, but what a big loss. I am kind of surprised Page would win, especially how Pac felt with losing earlier to Enzo, wanting to gain back that unbeatable aura.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on May 19, 2019 12:22:33 GMT -5
Sucks that PAC is out but sounds like he's a hell of a MARK for himself.This is a very back look for both him and AEW.This is why its so important for contracts for preformers and is the danger of bring in talent from out side your company that aren't on set contracts.Its cool to bring in outside talents but again these are the types of issue you can run into when someone doesn't like the program their in or a finish of a match up.
Seems to be that PAC is along the same lines as Aries,Del Rio,Enzo & Big Cass as guys that think their way bigger stars then they are and are a pain in the ass to work with.
If I was any wrestling company I would put PAC on the black list for pulling something like this with the show only a week or so out.
bty don't get why he's hung up on possibly losing what probably would have been a long and great match up against Page at Double or Nothing,if anything it would have just increased his profile in terms of the masses and gotten maybe a few extra eyes on Dragon Gate,which is about the level of your local indy fed in any given town.
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