Official ALL ELITE WRESTLING Thread

If he can make a profit off it he should do it. He'd get said profit, AEW/ROH fans will love it, and we could get figures perhaps. Win win win. I don't think TK nor AEW has any interest in trying to beat WWE. They're doing their own thing, and if NJPW can help them at that thing, then rad.

I don't buy figures anymore. Haven't in a long ass time but fr thinking about buying a few of the og roh folk

Absolutely 10000% no ****ing chance. 

Edge is All Elite... this is great stuff for AEW

wrong again.

Someone can be legitimately happy with their life and doing something they love and these people here think they’re “ruining their legacy” out of some blind loyalty to one company lol I don’t get it

Edge signed the contract. He was in control of his "legacy." He chose to keep wrestling and "fans" are telling him he made a bad choice. Haha. I's comical the way people are taking this personally.

Edge is at the end of his earnings window. He's already on borrowed time in this industry. He can retire and make his "ahem, fans" happy and make no money, or go work for AEW for millions of dollars that he can leave to his daughter.

Keep "fans" happy, or make sure his daughter and family are taken care of for as long as possible.......? Pretty clear choice, yet people posting on a computer actually think he should choose them.

Ric Flair "retired" against Shawn Michaels until money showed up that he couldn't turn it down and suddenly he was in the ring again. He was NEVER going to make that kind of money again. Legacy doesn't pay the bills. Money does.

Edge just got handed that same "lottery ticket" and he took it. Good for him. This isn't a Yankees vs Mets situation where you're either one or the other and there is NO IN BETWEEN. You can watch both companies. You're allowed to.

My thing with vets in AEW; like we keep hearing how they are going to set the stage by helping talent and preparing for the future. But do they?

I mean during all the Punk crap, etc., there was also Regal who said not a lot of people would come to him and Danielson for wrestling advice. Then there was the older clip that surfaced of Page basically saying they didn't really need advice or he didn't, and by and large, while I think anyone can always improve, I get the sentiment more from Page and the Elite.

But what about others then? Well, ok, there is Billy Gunn. Acclaimed would be fine without him, but it's nice he's there. Has he added some? Sure? I mean a lot of it is credit to Danhausen who basically gave Billy another leg of his career.

Let's say that's a win, but what about the biggest examples of vets that were supposed to make talent a bigger deal:


Yuta is more popular now than he was when he started in AEW, but what progress has he seen in awhile? Why should I care about Yuta right now? If he left Dynamite tomorrow, how long before people would notice? The show wouldn't change any. Imo, he's still just another guy.

What about Daniel Garcia? Again, imo, Jericho's group ultimately served him as they have since AEW started, and Garcia was on a hot streak there. Now he's got the Alex Wright gimmick that will never draw money and will never get him higher on the card. We know that from nearly every dancing gimmick in the history of pro wrestling.

The longest connection though has, of course, been between Darby and Sting. I'm still lost on the point of connecting those two, especially for so long, beyond...it'd be cool? Is Darby *any* different than when they first got together? He's still in the same spot on the card, with sporadic main event matches, still chasing the same title. Do we know that much more about the character of Darby that we had to have Sting there to learn?

I am really trying to pose what I feel are legit questions, and not try to purposefully irritate AEW fans, so again, I'll say that this is just my opinion (maybe others but for this comment I'm putting it on me): I think a lot of AEW talent has fundamental issues in one or more areas (I feel a lot of WWE talent does too, fwiw). I also feel AEW has done a very, very poor job at creating new stars for their company with any consistency and/or keeping talent over. Why does this matter?

Well, I can't help but feel that every time a new talent like Danielson comes in, or Christian, and I'm sure Edge, it's all about helping the young talent, creating new stars, etc., but what ends up happening is the former WWE guys or vets get more of the spotlight cause they are flat out better. So the vets take the spotlight because they draw more and are more entertaining and better in the ring. I hope AEW can use these guys to make new stars, but I'm skeptical since it hasn't really happened so far with people who have been there much longer.

Yeah, it's almost weird to some degree. At one point Adam Page seemed like the future of the business, and he just lost in a somewhat random match on a somewhat random PPV to someone who hasn't been in involved in any top storylines. There is a lot of people just kind of doing things; in that sense, it reminds me a lot of WCW.

Hayter is clearly more popular, and MJF has assumed his role at the top. I'd say Starks but there seems to be strong whispers of people thinking he'll be gone when the time comes. But you have people like Malakai...who why aren't we getting more segments with him? Why not deeper lore segments? Even OC is a bit of an issue, cause he is 37, not exactly a guy you're going to plan the next 10 years around or even half that maybe.

I was watching NXT earlier and they had the participants for NXT Women's Breakout tournament, and I didn't know many of them, which it's like a tournament for the minor leaguers OF the minor league, so that's fine. But they all just had regular names and wore regular outfits except maybe one was a beauty queen, and even that isn't that clever. Which goes back to my belief a lot of people in both companies have forgot the value of having a character - despite the fact that the most over people in each company are the best characters - or at least having an interesting character.

There are 6 people who have got away without a character in recent times: Beniot, Bret, Angle, Ronda, Danielson, Lesnar. And Lesnar/Angle did have one to a large degree, and Bret was never more over than when he showed the most character being Pro-Canada. They all have in common being super ing amazing at wrestling, lol. And if you aren't that good, you need something to stand out. There are a lot of people in wrestling that have complained about WWE's writing teams, and I get that; a team of 30 writers per show can probably be a lot.

When, as a company, you consistently have issues with, like was mentioned here a path via *stories* and having *characters* and characters changing in big ways because of the story not just because they weren't doing anything and fans latched on to something so let's roll with the reaction and turn them heel or face or w/e....those are all issues professional writers can help with.

I agree it isn't the vets trying to keep or steal a spot. They are just naturally good at several areas and draws, at a time when there aren't really many others in the company. That's a large reason why Punk got upteen chances.

This may be somewhat controversial, I'm not sure, but I'm curious what others think; but I almost wonder if AEW has had it too easy and its made them a bit too complacent or casually arrogant, perhaps?

There's no doubt the Elite and the OG people worked hard on the indies to make AEW even a possibility. But take the TV deal, which they started with right from the get go. WCW's sale was killed because of TNT taking theirs away. ECW didn't last longer when they may have been able to, because of not having a TV deal. The entire fortunes of TNA were sunk in large part because of what happened with their TV deal. And yet, AEW starts with a sweet timeslot on a good channel.

The figures came shortly after, and the game recently. They had a rocket on them from the get go. Then you have a situation where they aren't selling out smaller venues but sell out Wembley, cause yeah, its a special occasion. And its good to have success, of course, and I'm advocating that you have to struggle to be a complete person or company or whatever.

But I do wonder if maybe they are too comfortable or confident in a way like, "Well look at our success, look what we've accomplished in such a short time!" Which is true, however, it feels somewhat like there should be a "Yeah, but..." after.

I don't know I think about these things when the same issues come up, like with Jay White; if I'm a brand new fan or a lapsed fan who doesn't consume everything, what reasons have they given to care about Jay White? How many segments since his debut has he had where he clearly outlines his motivations and gives us deeper insight into his character? Then, how many of those segments have there been v. how many where Bullet Club showed up, hand random matches, and just did crapto do crapbecause we got time to fill?

And now he is in a world title feud, that only makes sense if you know who he was before AEW in NJPW, etc, etc. Which for their 900k every week they probably do know who he is and it does make sense to them, and if 900k is all you want, well ok then. I just think its worth keeping in mind that if you keep doing the same things you've always done, you'll get the same results you've always got.