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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 1, 2019 19:51:21 GMT -5
Jericho as first champion is fine. Other than Ambrose, he’s the only guy on the roster that’s had significant success in the big leagues. Yes, it does kinda make them look smalltime that their A-lister is a guy who was only a B+ player in his prime and is a good decade past that prime now.... but he’s still the biggest name they have.
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Post by k5 on Sept 1, 2019 20:00:38 GMT -5
Disagree. Omega as their first champion was a no brainer. Jericho doesn’t, and hasn’t, looked great out there in his matches. Not to mention, we live in a wrestling landscape that saw TNA drop the title on every WWE guy that left, most past their prime, and it all amounted to nothing. This was going to feel exactly like that situation by default. And Sting and Angle are bigger stars than Jericho imo. If AEW wants to be the hot, internet loved, wrestling show, and build off of that audience, they constantly need to be doing things that feel fresh and cool. Jericho winning a world title was fresh like 17 years ago. If I’m looking over at NXT, and seeing Adam Cole and UE, I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, which act feels younger, better, more exciting to me on Wednesday night. This is the business AWE needs to be in right now. omega is an inevitable champion. it's not like the guy kills it on the mic, by any means. i see the pick of an established talent acting the heel for the inevitable big feel-good babyface win is a total no-brainer. and while aew wants to be loved by the internet community, the general audience is just as if not more important. having jericho initially represent the company when he's as well spoken as he is, and they're establishing connections in business where jericho will be recognized as a succesful wrestling brands, just makes sense. as for the tna comment, it did mean something - initially. they beat that horse until it was a cow though. the amount of utter disorganization and structural incompetence of that company is what made it's moments mean nothing and devalued their stars. the wwe audience will recognize jericho and wonder what's going on far more than wondering who kenny omega is when there is an absolute abundance of young wrestling talent thrown at their tv. if more wwe fans were interested, njpw would be the one debuting on tnt. the general american audience isn't interested in those names - yet.
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Post by The American Daydream on Sept 1, 2019 22:51:05 GMT -5
Anything Jericho touches is Gold so I'm not worried about it. Half the people on here calling Jericho old or washed up are fatter and older than him. Blows my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 22:52:42 GMT -5
Anything Jericho touches is Gold so I'm not worried about it. Half the people on here calling Jericho old or washed up are fatter and older than him. Blows my mind. What does anyone’s weight or age have to do with a wrestler being washed up and well past his prime? Hahahaha
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Sept 1, 2019 23:29:20 GMT -5
Anything Jericho touches is Gold so I'm not worried about it. Half the people on here calling Jericho old or washed up are fatter and older than him. Blows my mind. What does anyone’s weight or age have to do with a wrestler being washed up and well past his prime? Hahahaha Because 3 years ago everyone loved him. It typical internet fan behaviour, love a guy then something big happened push or what ever and the fans turn on him. Examples : Seth Rollins , Becky Lynch , Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, even Cody and Kenny people are bashing now. Everyone wants Punk to return if he came back people will say the wish he stayed gone. So that the reality , love the mid career who needs to be pushed , but if they get a push we don’t like them anymore, or yah the legend is doing something relevant and reinventing themselves. How dare they I don’t like them even though 3 years ago we loved everything he did. It is what it is but still.
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Post by LK3 on Sept 2, 2019 1:39:02 GMT -5
That's life right? Once you get what you want you're on to the next thing. Fickle.
I enjoyed the show. Some people won who I wanted to win. Some didn't. Maybe I didn't agree with every booking decision. Others I did. I guess for some that means it's time to post the "imma head out" meme. If people want or think they're going to get something where they love and agree with every single thing that happens, then I'm afraid I've got some baad news.
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Post by A-Rob on Sept 2, 2019 3:14:42 GMT -5
The show was good, the casino battle royal was horrid, i did enjoy seeing Mercedes Martinez and ODB was a nice surprise but that was it. I was surprised PAC beat Kenny so i guess he's going to be in the top mix. The Ladder Match was insane while Jericho vs. Page was good, don't see Page as a star though.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 2, 2019 7:55:45 GMT -5
I was out of town for a wedding all weekend, so I haven't had a chance to watch the show yet. The continued production issues concern me as we get closer and closer to a weekly tv product. And I was surprised there weren't more surprises/debuts. I don't think Punk will ever show up. But right now the roster from top to bottom doesn't do much for me. They have some star talent on top, but otherwise Impact's roster is miles ahead in my eyes.
I've been arguing for months that Jericho is really the only choice. A strong heel champ is absolutely the right way to start. He's great on the mic, which is huge for tv, and the money is always in the face chasing the belt. And he still has name value among lapsed fans from the days when something like 5-10 million more people were watching wrestling every week, which absolutely overlaps with their basketball audience. Heck, "Chris Jericho is first AEW champion" was on the homepage of Yahoo yesterday. That doesn't get nearly as much traction is it's Page or Omega. Now they have a heel champ, and can use any of their other top stars chase the belt and use that platform when they (hopefully) have a larger audience to make a star, whether that's bringing someone like Page up from a lower tier, or making someone like Omega for a mainstream American audience.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 2, 2019 8:36:04 GMT -5
I’ve only seen PAC vs. Omega and it was a damn good match and made me realise how much I missed seeing Neville in a WWE ring. Omega really reminded me of Rollins during the match, dude’s stamina is absolutely insane.
Managed to catch CM Punk’s Starrcast interview and feel naive for thinking he was as stubborn and bitter since leaving WWE as the internet made him out to be but I’m happy he’s moved on and enjoying his life and doing things that make him happy now. If he ever comes back to WWE, give that man a vacation whenever he asks for it lol
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Post by The American Daydream on Sept 2, 2019 9:37:09 GMT -5
What does anyone’s weight or age have to do with a wrestler being washed up and well past his prime? Hahahaha Because 3 years ago everyone loved him. It typical internet fan behaviour, love a guy then something big happened push or what ever and the fans turn on him. Examples : Seth Rollins , Becky Lynch , Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, even Cody and Kenny people are bashing now. Everyone wants Punk to return if he came back people will say the wish he stayed gone. So that the reality , love the mid career who needs to be pushed , but if they get a push we don’t like them anymore, or yah the legend is doing something relevant and reinventing themselves. How dare they I don’t like them even though 3 years ago we loved everything he did. It is what it is but still. somebody gets it. I enjoyed the show but I didn't go into it thinking ahead of time "Oh here's a bunch of washed up WWE guys" when in reality the best stars WWE ever had were created by the stars themselves not the WWE bar Hogan but I mean he's a blueprint to any Rambo/Hero that saves the day character. He's one dimensional. Nobody complains about age or weight when it comes to Goldust or Owens who both do their job well regardless of hindrances yet folks are complaining about Jericho bc it's not WWE. A year ago these same people whining about him winning would have been happy to see him get one last World Title run in WWE. It doesn't make sense when he's better now than he was in WWE. Make it make sense people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 11:34:37 GMT -5
The thing with Jericho is that his match quality has dropped significantly since going part-time and it’s no coincidence that he’s also packed on the pounds during this time... probably from drinking. Jericho was once one of the best in the ring. Those days are gone. Even in his last feud with Owens in the WWE, the guy is just blown up too easily.
For AEW to tell you “We’re different” and then going the route of the washed up has been, it’s ironic. I’m not against him being the first champion, the reasonings are obvious... but he still sucks now. Hopefully this is to give someone the rub, as I don’t think Adam Page is the guy. I think it’ll (sadly) be a Cody/Jericho feud going into Full Gear. Unless it’s Cody/MJF there.
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Post by k5 on Sept 2, 2019 12:02:20 GMT -5
The thing with Jericho is that his match quality has dropped significantly since going part-time and it’s no coincidence that he’s also packed on the pounds during this time... probably from drinking. Jericho was once one of the best in the ring. Those days are gone. Even in his last feud with Owens in the WWE, the guy is just blown up too easily. For AEW to tell you “We’re different” and then going the route of the washed up has been, it’s ironic. I’m not against him being the first champion, the reasonings are obvious... but he still sucks now. Hopefully this is to give someone the rub, as I don’t think Adam Page is the guy. I think it’ll (sadly) be a Cody/Jericho feud going into Full Gear. Unless it’s Cody/MJF there. i get the criticism, but an established heel that's well known actually giving out a job to a younger star for the sole purpose of trying to establish them as one of the next faces of wrestling IS different from the current status quo in wwe of younger guys never getting over, getting crushed by brock, and jobbing out to undertaker or goldberg if they're lucky.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Sept 2, 2019 14:00:09 GMT -5
What does anyone’s weight or age have to do with a wrestler being washed up and well past his prime? Hahahaha Because 3 years ago everyone loved him. It typical internet fan behaviour, love a guy then something big happened push or what ever and the fans turn on him. Examples : Seth Rollins , Becky Lynch , Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, even Cody and Kenny people are bashing now. Everyone wants Punk to return if he came back people will say the wish he stayed gone. So that the reality , love the mid career who needs to be pushed , but if they get a push we don’t like them anymore, or yah the legend is doing something relevant and reinventing themselves. How dare they I don’t like them even though 3 years ago we loved everything he did. It is what it is but still. difference is between Becky Lynch, Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan. Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega, and CM Punk and Seth Rollins is that CM Punk and Seth Rollins were absolute dicks (especially CM Punk, for the better part of him leaving WWE)
i mean, look at Enzo Amore, dude was a massive dickhead in the back and the locker-room friggin HATED him, would you chalk it up to "typical internet fan behaviour"? No, it's just that they're insufferable a-holes, and regardless what stock they have/had, it's certainly not worth it if the morale is very low
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 2, 2019 17:11:35 GMT -5
The thing with Jericho is that his match quality has dropped significantly since going part-time and it’s no coincidence that he’s also packed on the pounds during this time... probably from drinking. Jericho was once one of the best in the ring. Those days are gone. Even in his last feud with Owens in the WWE, the guy is just blown up too easily. For AEW to tell you “We’re different” and then going the route of the washed up has been, it’s ironic. I’m not against him being the first champion, the reasonings are obvious... but he still sucks now. Hopefully this is to give someone the rub, as I don’t think Adam Page is the guy. I think it’ll (sadly) be a Cody/Jericho feud going into Full Gear. Unless it’s Cody/MJF there. I agree with what you are saying. No one is saying Jericho isn’t great valuable etc. I know from where I stand his workrate has just gone down considerably but they keep putting him in there with workrate guys like Omega, Hangman and to a degree it exposes Jericho cause the matches aren’t up to par. He needs to feud with guys that can have his style match at this point. Looking at that roster right now it’s guys like Cody, MJF, Janela. Guys who aren’t “workers” but can entertain.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Sept 2, 2019 17:49:20 GMT -5
Jericho winning sets up the Hangman chase, Tony and the boys are really high on Page and see him as a future top guy. Kenny and Cody are gonna eventually get a title but they probably thought it would look bad if they made themselves first champion (or neither could decide who would be first)
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 2, 2019 18:27:26 GMT -5
Jericho is 100 percent dropping the title to Omega. They are tied one on one for a reason.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 2, 2019 22:22:41 GMT -5
I think Jericho is doing for AEW what Terry Funk did for ECW decades ago.
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Post by k5 on Sept 3, 2019 1:19:50 GMT -5
I think Jericho is doing for AEW what Terry Funk did for ECW decades ago. an excuse to post this video? I’ll take it!
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Post by dylan on Sept 3, 2019 6:12:17 GMT -5
Finally leaving Chicago. Loved the show. Everyone just needs to embrace the Judas in their mind and have a little bit of the bubbleh
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Post by LK3 on Sept 3, 2019 6:45:54 GMT -5
Thank you, Chris Jericho!
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