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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 26, 2019 20:53:31 GMT -5
the formula itself needs to be changed. every boom period directly reflects a massive change in formula. you cannot have the same formula for a show that they’ve been using for 20 years, over produce the crap out of it like wwe does, and expect it to retain any value. what that change of formula is is up for debate. I honestly don’t know what huge change someone could come up with. The end of jobber matches and star vs star matches and blurring the lines seemed like a natural progression. You can’t go back? I saw Billy Corgan’s reality wrestling pilot and it was awful, TNA kinda tried the reality show/wrestling thing too and it was dreadful. I mean rounds will never ever work? I guess Fox’s push for Smackdown to resemble a more sports like presentation could be different. I guess we shall see.
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Post by k5 on Sept 26, 2019 22:32:35 GMT -5
the formula itself needs to be changed. every boom period directly reflects a massive change in formula. you cannot have the same formula for a show that they’ve been using for 20 years, over produce the crap out of it like wwe does, and expect it to retain any value. what that change of formula is is up for debate. I honestly don’t know what huge change someone could come up with. The end of jobber matches and star vs star matches and blurring the lines seemed like a natural progression. You can’t go back? I saw Billy Corgan’s reality wrestling pilot and it was awful, TNA kinda tried the reality show/wrestling thing too and it was dreadful. I mean rounds will never ever work? I guess Fox’s push for Smackdown to resemble a more sports like presentation could be different. I guess we shall see. yeah, as I mentioned it would really only be up for debate obviously, and I’m not going to pretend I know the answer. however, a few ideas would be to try and keep up with the adhd level of attention the general audience has. the network would be the easiest to manipulate like this, but with these massive television contracts it would seem tv will stay tv. so the network should capitalize on that more. make fast paced highlights where people can choose to sit down and enjoy the event or only the moments they’re looking for, see the ratings other fans have given it or specific matches, and read fans comments in livestream etc. I go back and watch ECW hardcore TVs from 97...and the formula they followed I essentially think should be what’s on the livestream 24/7. take out the bad tape editing and stolen music and you have clips of only what the fan needed to see in order to continue the stories and the highlights, fantastic character developing and story developing promos done in-between, and then some people just wrapping it all up and explaining it as it goes. all fast paced. all killer no filler.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 27, 2019 3:44:59 GMT -5
A preview for next week, according to my cable guide:
A Countdown to AEW hypeshow will air Tuesday at 8 pm EST.
Some sort of hour-long programming airs on TruTV starting at 7 pm EST Wednesday, followed by the main 2-hour show on TNT. An instant repeat is supposed to follow at 10 pm EST, as well as what I've heard another replay Saturday morning.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 27, 2019 11:19:18 GMT -5
the formula itself needs to be changed. every boom period directly reflects a massive change in formula. you cannot have the same formula for a show that they’ve been using for 20 years, over produce the crap out of it like wwe does, and expect it to retain any value. what that change of formula is is up for debate. For both AEW and WWE, some of the stuff they put on YouTube (and the WWE Network) feels way more current and compelling than most of what they put on their actual shows. Traditionally, wrestling suffers from viewers turning off for non-live segments, but it’s probably worth a try at this point. Ricochet, Aleister, Nakamura etc are never going to become megastars while they’re trying to fit the live mic formula that worked for Rock, Austin and the NWO. But they can be made to seem interesting in mini-docs with sound bites etc.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 27, 2019 11:49:17 GMT -5
the formula itself needs to be changed. every boom period directly reflects a massive change in formula. you cannot have the same formula for a show that they’ve been using for 20 years, over produce the crap out of it like wwe does, and expect it to retain any value. what that change of formula is is up for debate. For both AEW and WWE, some of the stuff they put on YouTube (and the WWE Network) feels way more current and compelling than most of what they put on their actual shows. Traditionally, wrestling suffers from viewers turning off for non-live segments, but it’s probably worth a try at this point. Ricochet, Aleister, Nakamura etc are never going to become megastars while they’re trying to fit the live mic formula that worked for Rock, Austin and the NWO. But they can be made to seem interesting in mini-docs with sound bites etc. See I really like what they are doing with Aleister Black, I think that’s different. He only shows up for a purpose. People still get to see him on house shows but he isn’t just “around” it’s what made Taker feel so special when I was younger and people don’t wanna admit it but it’s a large part of why Brock feels so special today.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Sept 27, 2019 16:27:24 GMT -5
I thought Lucha Underground in the beginning was interesting.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 27, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5
I agree that the formula needs changed, or at least freshened up. But at its best I think wrestling taps into pop culture. The rock-n-wrestling era played into (overtly) the MTV culture of that era. ECW and the Attitude era riffed off of the tail end of grunge and expanding norms when it came to violence, profanity, etc. They sort of interestingly straddled sub-cultures, infusing elements of hip-hop, hard rock, etc.
Wrestling hasn't seen a real (effective) evolution in 20 years. And in that time pop culture has become more and more nebulous. There are definitely ways that you can evolve the product itself, but I don't know that there is that same cultural nerve where you can catch lightning in a bottle. But maybe I'm just old...
And while it's not a new presentation, I am interested to see how NWA's studio show shakes out.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 28, 2019 20:10:17 GMT -5
I agree that the formula needs changed, or at least freshened up. But at its best I think wrestling taps into pop culture. The rock-n-wrestling era played into (overtly) the MTV culture of that era. ECW and the Attitude era riffed off of the tail end of grunge and expanding norms when it came to violence, profanity, etc. They sort of interestingly straddled sub-cultures, infusing elements of hip-hop, hard rock, etc. Wrestling hasn't seen a real (effective) evolution in 20 years. And in that time pop culture has become more and more nebulous. There are definitely ways that you can evolve the product itself, but I don't know that there is that same cultural nerve where you can catch lightning in a bottle. But maybe I'm just old... And while it's not a new presentation, I am interested to see how NWA's studio show shakes out. Maybe a culture shock is needed again? Be anti everyting to be the actual antithesis of WWE?
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Oct 2, 2019 4:22:51 GMT -5
Uk'ers have to actually pay to watch this? Obviously ITV couldn't be arsed to pick it up. So obviously some fans have put themselves into camps, and I know "Wednesday Night War" rolls off the tongue. But does anyone else feel like it's been way overblown? Of course there is competition and the companies will try to undercut/out-do each other. But to me the magical ingredient in the MNW was the fact that both sides had many wrestlers who had worked for the other company and felt passed over or had an axe to grind with the competition. The fact that guys like Hogan, Macho, Luger, Austin, Pillman, X-Pac having history with both companies made it all the more compelling. I think competition will bring out the best. But aside from a few ex-WWE guys in AEW I just don't feel that same "chip on their shoulder" aura between the companies. There is no competition - not even with NXT... besides I want AEW to fail, because Cody, his annoying wife, and those two little, irritants, need a humbling. Also, let it have more than four shows, before it gets its own board on here.
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Post by TX on Oct 2, 2019 13:47:28 GMT -5
I don't understand why any wrestling fan would want AEW to fail.
Even if you're a die-hard WWE fan and hate everything about AEW, competition will only bring out the best in everyone. WWE's spot on top is not going anywhere. Not any time soon anyways but as somebody who has become less and less invested in what WWE has been putting out over the years, I'm all for anything that lights a fire under their ass. That's not a knock on anybody that loves everything about the product WWE currently puts out either. Strong competition will only make it better, not worse.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 2, 2019 15:51:12 GMT -5
I don't understand why any wrestling fan would want AEW to fail. Even if you're a die-hard WWE fan and hate everything about AEW, competition will only bring out the best in everyone. WWE's spot on top is not going anywhere. Not any time soon anyways but as somebody who has become less and less invested in what WWE has been putting out over the years, I'm all for anything that lights a fire under their ass. That's not a knock on anybody that loves everything about the product WWE currently puts out either. Strong competition will only make it better, not worse. Wrestling fans are such an odd bunch. Competition makes everyone bring their A game, and much like free agency in sports I think having more wrestlers moving from company to company will help keep feuds and storylines fresh. Aside from NXT callups the WWE roster has barely changed in the last 3-4 years, and just about every feud under the sun has been done and re-done. New companies in the spotlight means new opportunities to make stars, and more places for wrestlers to work. I think this makes for a healthy wrestling ecosystem. And it's not just for AEW and WWE. This should open opportunities for Impact, MLW, and some of the smaller regional promotions. Will it have a negative effect on some? Sure -evolve or die. But overall this seems like a wonderful time to be a wrestling fan. Unfortunately some people would rather complain than sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 2, 2019 16:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by TX on Oct 5, 2019 13:56:17 GMT -5
A new AEW show, AEW Dark, has been announced that will air the dark matches not seen on Dynamite beginning this Tuesday.
Pretty cool idea.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Oct 5, 2019 16:35:15 GMT -5
So will it be on their Youtube channel?
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Post by TX on Oct 5, 2019 17:18:10 GMT -5
So will it be on their Youtube channel? Yeah, I guess so. I assumed it would be on TNT for some reason but after re-reading the tweet it definitely seems like it'll be a YouTube thing.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 5, 2019 17:52:55 GMT -5
So will it be on their Youtube channel? Yeah, I guess so. I assumed it would be on TNT for some reason but after re-reading the tweet it definitely seems like it'll be a YouTube thing. Probably on Youtube with the hope that they may be able to get it onto TV in some international markets. It seems like a win/win. AEW has a lot of talent that need all the exposure they can get, can create time to develop/further undercard storylines, and build up the win-loss aspect, and pick up a little additional revenue. Fans get added (free) content, and crowds at their live shows get a full evenings worth of wrestling. They ran some really, really solid matches as the dark matches this week, on top of a very full card. I'm sure they can't keep that pace up every week, but seems to have gone well. I'm hoping they use it similar to how Heat was treated when it first aired - a B show with tv time for lower card workers, a semi-main event quality match, standalone storylines, and bits and pieces of major storylines while the big developments are reserved for the A show.
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Post by jking1979 on Oct 7, 2019 0:16:04 GMT -5
I like some of the things AEW is doing right now. Chris Jericho is a great champion. My favorite match so far is Dustin Rhodes and Cody Rhodes.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 7, 2019 10:45:57 GMT -5
I love that Swagger well Hager is now on AEW...but after last night's WWE Hell in a Cell PPV I can officially say that now I am becoming an AEW fan and honestly AEW's product I have been watching it well off and on but now I am definitely going to be watching it more from here on out but AEW's product definitely is much better than WWE right now I'm sure AEW will make its fair share of booking mistakes in time. But I like the focus on clean finishes. There were people complaining that there should have been a DQ in the 6 man match, but I like that the ref has the discretion to let the match go if they see fit. And from a storyline perspective that opens up doors for a wrestler to complain that a match they lost should have been stopped, etc.
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Post by warriorlynx on Oct 7, 2019 15:52:20 GMT -5
As much as I am big AEW fan, I can't help see how the industry is in a decline when it comes to TV viewership. I mean in 2010 ratings were high for RAW and TNA Impact's Monday night debut show did 2.2 million compared to AEW's Dynamite debut of 1.4 million viewers (of course doing better than NXT). Perhaps there is just too much wrestling on TV?
AEW should consider looking to the masses to gain interest if they want to continue on.
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Post by k5 on Oct 7, 2019 15:55:25 GMT -5
As much as I am big AEW fan, I can't help see how the industry is in a decline when it comes to TV viewership. I mean in 2010 ratings were high for RAW and TNA Impact's Monday night debut show did 2.2 million compared to AEW's Dynamite debut of 1.4 million viewers (of course doing better than NXT). Perhaps there is just too much wrestling on TV? AEW should consider looking to the masses to gain interest if they want to continue on. over saturation is certainly an arguable factor, but so is the network and other digital means of accessing content easier than ever. television is just a hard market in today's era.
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