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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jan 9, 2019 16:58:53 GMT -5
I feel that The Rock has always been No:1 in the company from nov 98 - summer 03 and Austin was only No 1 from April 98 - Nov 98 does anyone else feel this . I know people feel Austin is a bigger star however I do not agree , what is your opinion on the topic.
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Post by Chip on Jan 9, 2019 17:57:49 GMT -5
Nobody was touching Austin from his rise in 1997 to WM 14 until late '99. In merchandise, interest, pops, etc. He outsold Hogan, he was the focal point of the most important and game-changing rivalry in the entire industry, he was THE MAN for the WWE during that run.
Rock was there, and Rock was absolutely a top star, think "1-a"...but he didn't really start to become the bigger star until later in 99 into 2000 when he became a babyface again, and had multiple world title wins. That and Austin was kind of on a different direction, heading to the eventual heel turn...etc.
Thing is, during Rock's popularity, Austin was almost always there....and still viewed as the "top" guy. HHH, Angle were there too. You could say those 4 guys kind of ran the early 00's. But the thing that Austin will always win out on is his 2+ year rise to the top is unmatched in terms of immediate popularity, pop culture "acceptance" (Austin made it cool to wear wrestling shirts) and being the focal point of the biggest boom period wrestling had seen since Hogan's time and even bigger in terms of money and attendance
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jan 9, 2019 18:04:55 GMT -5
I've been to many many shows since 1985 till 2014 and nobody ever got a bigger pop than Austin. Not Rock, Hogan, Savage, Piper, Flair, Taker, etc. Even at a house show and at the Rosemont airplanes fly right over since the airport is across the highway, Austin's pop shook the building harder.
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Post by The Brain on Jan 9, 2019 18:17:45 GMT -5
When I think of the Attitude Era, Austin is the first that comes to mind. He was THE GUY during that era.
To me it will always be Hogan and Austin. Those guys will forever be the biggest draws ever in wrestling IMO.
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Post by Gorilla on Jan 9, 2019 18:59:11 GMT -5
When I think of the Attitude Era, Austin is the first that comes to mind. He was THE GUY during that era.
To me it will always be Hogan and Austin. Those guys will forever be the biggest draws ever in wrestling IMO.
Ahem, Roman Reigns???
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Post by PJ on Jan 9, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5
While I wasn’t a big AE fan Austin was the bigger star. Rock is the bigger star now because of his movie career, but I never considered Rock as “the guy” during his wrestling career.
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Post by The Brain on Jan 9, 2019 19:36:50 GMT -5
When I think of the Attitude Era, Austin is the first that comes to mind. He was THE GUY during that era.
To me it will always be Hogan and Austin. Those guys will forever be the biggest draws ever in wrestling IMO.
Ahem, Roman Reigns??? Who?
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Post by MKSavage on Jan 9, 2019 19:56:31 GMT -5
When I think of the Attitude Era, Austin is the first that comes to mind. He was THE GUY during that era.
To me it will always be Hogan and Austin. Those guys will forever be the biggest draws ever in wrestling IMO.
Ahem, Roman Reigns??? Will you stop! I'll have you taken out of here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 22:01:39 GMT -5
When I think of the Attitude Era, Austin is the first that comes to mind. He was THE GUY during that era.
To me it will always be Hogan and Austin. Those guys will forever be the biggest draws ever in wrestling IMO.
Ahem, Roman Reigns??? Are you serious?
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Post by Papi Joker on Jan 9, 2019 22:29:12 GMT -5
Ahhhh kids... they say the darndest things!
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Post by Gorilla on Jan 9, 2019 23:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla on Jan 10, 2019 0:04:06 GMT -5
Ahhhh kids... they say the darndest things! Roman Reigns' only weak spot is the solar plexus.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 10, 2019 0:45:31 GMT -5
The Rock was always right alongside Stone Cold albeit just slightly behind. He was finally able to reach that top spot in 2000, but that was mainly due to Austin being sidelined from neck surgery and that opened up an opportunity to finally let The Rock shine.
This isn't a knock on The Rock either, just the utmost respect for Austin and how damn popular he was in those days.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jan 10, 2019 1:51:18 GMT -5
From a main event stand point, The Rock isn't near the level of Austin. Consider these numbers:
Between December 98-March 99 The Rock held the title for 98 days with two short Mankind victory squeezed in. In that time frame the WWF had 4 Pay Per Views where The Rock was either the Champion or in the Title Match, he was in the Main event of none of them. The main event of Capital Carnage saw a four way match that didn't include The Rock (He defended the title against X-Pac), In You House Rock Bottom had the Buried Alive Match main event, the Royal Rumble was the main event of it's event with the main story being Austin-McMahon and it's interesting to note that the three previous years Royal Rumbles 96, 97, and 98 the title match went on last, and the final PPV before dropping the title to Austin at Mania saw Austin-McMahon in a cage match as the main event.
Between March 98-Oct 99 Steve Austin was in the main event in some capacity either be Royal Rumble or special referee on 20 PPVs out of 24 PPVs. That number 24 includes the Survivor Series 99 where they pulled him out, but he wasn't in the match so its not represented in the 20. In the same time frame The Rock was the main event of 6 times with Austin being involved in 3 of them and 1 of them is the Survivor Series 98 tournament which wasn't advertised as The Rock being in the main event.
With Austin on the shelf for a year The Rock and Triple H go back and forth between the Main Event spot. When Austin comes back his first PPV match isn't the main event. However one month later at Survivor Series 2000 Austin is back in the main event against Triple H while The Rock is mid carding against Rikishi. From December 2000-March 2003 The Rock was in 10 main events, with Austin being involved in 5 of those match.
So it is safe to say that barring injury if The Rock was in the main event, Austin was involved in some capacity and Austin was the guy while he was with WWF.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 10, 2019 9:49:15 GMT -5
Austin was still the bigger draw than the Rock, it's as simple as that. Even though Austin practically took a year off, they kept using him.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 10, 2019 9:55:59 GMT -5
Nobody was touching Austin from his rise in 1997 to WM 14 until late '99. In merchandise, interest, pops, etc. He outsold Hogan, he was the focal point of the most important and game-changing rivalry in the entire industry, he was THE MAN for the WWE during that run. Is there evidence about Austin outsolding Hogan? He obviously made Vince a billionaire, but I'm not sure about beating Hogan. Okay maybe Austin did sell more shirts, and that's probably where he has the advantage. The way merch worked in the 80s compared to Attitude was different. For example a typical wrestler got paid 25% of licensed merch (Hogan probably had a different deal), and house shows were big in the 80s where alot of merch was sold, and you had to buy through a catalogue mail-in-order etc, while in Attitude, it went through the typical distribution cycle to retailers, so Austin would've made less this way, plus guarantees worked different (80s: $200 for tapings vs. a minimum sum payout in Attitude). So Hulk was making big on merch I'm sure and he obviously had more tenure in the WWF then Austin (as in-ring performers).
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Post by Chip on Jan 10, 2019 18:49:32 GMT -5
Nobody was touching Austin from his rise in 1997 to WM 14 until late '99. In merchandise, interest, pops, etc. He outsold Hogan, he was the focal point of the most important and game-changing rivalry in the entire industry, he was THE MAN for the WWE during that run. Is there evidence about Austin outsolding Hogan? He obviously made Vince a billionaire, but I'm not sure about beating Hogan. Okay maybe Austin did sell more shirts, and that's probably where he has the advantage. The way merch worked in the 80s compared to Attitude was different. For example a typical wrestler got paid 25% of licensed merch (Hogan probably had a different deal), and house shows were big in the 80s where alot of merch was sold, and you had to buy through a catalogue mail-in-order etc, while in Attitude, it went through the typical distribution cycle to retailers, so Austin would've made less this way, plus guarantees worked different (80s: $200 for tapings vs. a minimum sum payout in Attitude). So Hulk was making big on merch I'm sure and he obviously had more tenure in the WWF then Austin (as in-ring performers). Prichard was talking about it on one of the Something to Wrestle podcasts, and its been brought up before... Austin's merch made WAY more money than Hogan. Inflation partly has to do with that...but the business changed too. I dont know if there is an actual number of units sold or anything like that...but Austin's couple years as the top guy were a bigger financial success than Hogan. I dont know about their personal gains...I was talking from a company/business standpoint Also, Nobody is ever taking away what Hogan did for the business. Without Hogan, there is no Austin. Hogan is the biggest star in the history of wrestling....its arguable, but if you look at the facts, its there. He transcended the business, he led an era....and he made wrestling popular. Austin brought it back to a new level.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 10, 2019 20:21:14 GMT -5
Sorry have to disagree Austin was bigger star man.
When Rock turned back babyface in April 99 he was CRAZY popular.....no doubt about it...but he was #2 to Austin. Rock obviously became the guy when Austin had to go out for 10 months to get his neck fixed. But he was back to 2nd fiddle when Austin returned....
There will likely NEVER be another like Austin.
Also NOBODY could take away from the Rock and how popular He was. I also think they were popular in different ways....the crowd used to be fevered for Austin's arrival..... it was different with Rock. He was crazy over too but in a different way.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 10, 2019 23:04:29 GMT -5
My only argument with Austin outselling Hogan is while Austin was selling 3:16 shirts, Hogan was in another company marketing nWo and Hollywood Hogan shirts. Because of inflation & availability, Austin might have sold more WWF wise but Id be interested to see what the numbers look like with Hogan's WCW sales included.
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Post by BROKEN on Jan 10, 2019 23:06:24 GMT -5
I’ve never smelled what the Rock was cooking, but I always knew when the glass shatters that a deadly Texas rattlesnake was on his way out. I think Austin was genuinely loved and was the bigger star.
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