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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 26, 2019 12:12:41 GMT -5
We all got what we figured was going to happen eventually, Dean turning on Seth. But after the initial night Dean turned on Seth, it seemed everything about his heel turn and that feud just didn't click.
Unlike their feud in 2014 when Seth was the heel, this feud just fail apart right off the bat. No longevity to it, and now, it seems neither man is going to interact with each other.
So was Dean's heel turn a huge failure?
Could going to Smackdown help him being a heel?
Should they just make him face again?
Would love to hear what people think.
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Post by Stuart? on Jan 26, 2019 12:37:11 GMT -5
Yes. In my opinion, rather than feuding over the IC title they should've been going at it for the Universal title. If I had my way, Dean would've attacked Seth so brutally that night that he would be off TV for about 2 months. In that time, Strowman would've taken the Universal Title at Crown Jewel and eventually dropped it to Dean around TLC. At this point you would have Rollins come back as a surprise on one episode of Raw saying he was going to put everything between him and Ambrose behind him and he just wants to move on with his career. Later that night, he faces Lashley to try to win back his Intercontinental Title and he is right about to win but Ambrose causes the distraction allowing Lashley to retain. Over the next few weeks leading up to the Rumble, Ambrose costs Rollins his matches and beats him down but Seth is still adamant that he won't fight his former Shield Brother. The week before the Rumble, Ambrose interrupts Rollins' promo and makes a remark about Roman Reigns (who hasn't been mentioned in the feud until this point) causing Rollins to finally snap and attack Ambrose. He demands to be added to the match between Ambrose and Strowman but Vince/HHH say that he has to earn it in the Rumble. Seth enters at No. 1 and goes on to win the match. Later that night, Seth interferes in the UV title match ensuring Ambrose wins and challenges him to a match at WrestleMania for the title. In between the Rumble and Mania, you do a mini-program between Strowman and Rollins as Ambrose defends his title in the Chamber.
That's just something I've come up with in the space of 5-10 minutes and I think it's a far better story in the long term than what WWE would have planned. It gets Rollins even more over as the top babyface in Reigns' absence and truly establishes Ambrose as the top heel. Now I just feel like Ambrose is going to be lost in the mid-card shuffle heading into Mania season.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Jan 26, 2019 12:38:31 GMT -5
- Using Roman to get heat instead of getting in any other way. - Having an surprisingly bad match with Rollins at TLC. - Losing the IC title not even a month later and having his feud with Rollins end along with that.
Yeah I don't think Ambrose's heel turn has been all that great recently. It could have been much better than it has been. If Ambrose is going to have a match at Wrestlemania, he needs to be redeemed if anyone is going to care about him, his match, or anything he does.
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Post by hbkowns on Jan 26, 2019 12:56:59 GMT -5
No they totally ruined it. They had a chance to make him a violent psychopath, instead they turned him into every other cowardly heel.
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Post by k5 on Jan 26, 2019 13:08:06 GMT -5
No they totally ruined it. They had a chance to make him a violent psychopath, instead they turned him into every other cowardly heel. essentially Eddie Edwards current character in impact with a heel slant.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 26, 2019 13:13:02 GMT -5
Yes. In my opinion, rather than feuding over the IC title they should've been going at it for the Universal title. If I had my way, Dean would've attacked Seth so brutally that night that he would be off TV for about 2 months. In that time, Strowman would've taken the Universal Title at Crown Jewel and eventually dropped it to Dean around TLC. At this point you would have Rollins come back as a surprise on one episode of Raw saying he was going to put everything between him and Ambrose behind him and he just wants to move on with his career. Later that night, he faces Lashley to try to win back his Intercontinental Title and he is right about to win but Ambrose causes the distraction allowing Lashley to retain. Over the next few weeks leading up to the Rumble, Ambrose costs Rollins his matches and beats him down but Seth is still adamant that he won't fight his former Shield Brother. The week before the Rumble, Ambrose interrupts Rollins' promo and makes a remark about Roman Reigns (who hasn't been mentioned in the feud until this point) causing Rollins to finally snap and attack Ambrose. He demands to be added to the match between Ambrose and Strowman but Vince/HHH say that he has to earn it in the Rumble. Seth enters at No. 1 and goes on to win the match. Later that night, Seth interferes in the UV title match ensuring Ambrose wins and challenges him to a match at WrestleMania for the title. In between the Rumble and Mania, you do a mini-program between Strowman and Rollins as Ambrose defends his title in the Chamber. That's just something I've come up with in the space of 5-10 minutes and I think it's a far better story in the long term than what WWE would have planned. It gets Rollins even more over as the top babyface in Reigns' absence and truly establishes Ambrose as the top heel. Now I just feel like Ambrose is going to be lost in the mid-card shuffle heading into Mania season. Great stuff.... I agree that the Ambrose heel turn has been a miss. IMO? Mrs Ambrose dropping her 2 cents on Commentary hasn't helped either. I think they've missed some great opportunities to make Rollins even more popular and Ambrose despised.
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Jan 26, 2019 13:33:44 GMT -5
I recall a great number of members wanting desperately to have Dean-O be a heel. As if they didn't remember what type of company this is. Of course any heel in WWE isn't gonna be effective. Of course any heel in WWE isn't gonna be someone who actually looks for a fair one V one encounter. Of course any heel in WWE isn't gonna fall into the same d*mn repetitive, stereotypical promo scripts.
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Post by Daredevil on Jan 26, 2019 13:37:30 GMT -5
Whoever decided "You know what this guy who traded blood with 50 different people before he got here should be? A germaphobe!" should be fired. Dude literally used to roll around in other people's blood with open wounds on his body. As recently as a few months ago he was coming out from the crowd for his entrance and everything. It's just the worst writing possible. Feel bad for him, he's a natural heel.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 26, 2019 13:39:15 GMT -5
The problem is that the WWE is still forcing Dean and Seth to play off of the dumbs scripts they write for everyone. This should have been a blood feud between them with their years of history. Instead, the WWE basically made Roman a focal point when he’s not even on TV.
Seth - “We stood there with Roman as brothers and Dean does this...”
Dean - “Roman ain’t here no more...”
I’m paraphrasing but you get the point. These two have shown in the past that they can put on great feuds and matches but instead they’re still presented as lackeys to Roman despite him being gone for the foreseeable future.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jan 26, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -5
From a few clips I've seen of him elsewhere being heel it's a big fail.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 26, 2019 14:49:59 GMT -5
Ambrose has been a failure since the first Shield split because he's genuinely just very, very ing boring.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jan 26, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -5
I miss face Ambrose
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Post by weaseltv on Jan 26, 2019 16:01:49 GMT -5
To me, it seems like they tried to recreate Ciampa vs Gargano.
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Post by BSR on Jan 26, 2019 16:12:57 GMT -5
To me, it seems like they tried to recreate Ciampa vs Gargano. Or Seth vs dean
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 26, 2019 16:22:47 GMT -5
Honestly yes. The writing team and Ambrose failed this heel run. The promos that they had Ambrose cut were bad, and Ambrose lost what he had before as a promo cutter. I blame more the writing team for this failing, but i gotta put some of the blame on Ambrose. I never believe the writing tean should be 100% in blame.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 26, 2019 16:23:51 GMT -5
I'm willing to hold off calling it a flop till I see what's next for Ambrose. I think things could still be saved. But I have no issues calling the Rollins/Ambrose feud a flop.
I think the problem with this feud is, it never felt personal. It never felt like either were out for blood. Just fell flat. And because of that, the crowd has no reason to hate Ambrose. And without a reason, he's not getting a strong reaction. And now, (besides maybe a feud with Finn) I have no idea where he can go from here.
When I begged WWE to turn Ambrose heel, I wanted a main roster version of Ciampa. Someone so despised even other heels hated him. But he's getting shots in his ass and pretty much acting like he did before.
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Post by Chip on Jan 26, 2019 16:31:22 GMT -5
like every other heel turn, he's being booked for children to dislike him. not for anyone else. which, in turn, makes it a failure.
we're never going to see a true villainous heel in the current state of the product. the best you're gonna get are guys like Corbin who the audience just doesn't truly like but he gets a ton of mic time and is a pretty good generic heel promo so its easy to "boo" him. every heel acts the same now, there's no creativity...even if they show it (like Ambrose's car/shield/fire promo) its done within a week, and every heel is just a coward who talks crap and gets his ass kicked...but then next week he wins, and the next week he loses again.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jan 26, 2019 16:36:25 GMT -5
For years I have been totally against Ambrose turning heel and this is solid proof as of why. There was never anything wrong with face Ambrose, he was over, sold merch and was likeable.
His heel turn makes no sense and it's as if they're treating the fans like idiots. Are we suppose to forget that Seth was originally the bad guy who split The Shield and turned his back on his brothers? Ambrose is simply doing on him what he did 4 years previous.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jan 26, 2019 19:46:00 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Ambrose. He's dull as dish water.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 26, 2019 21:53:27 GMT -5
I'm willing to hold off calling it a flop till I see what's next for Ambrose. I think things could still be saved. But I have no issues calling the Rollins/Ambrose feud a flop. I think the problem with this feud is, it never felt personal. It never felt like either were out for blood. Just fell flat. And because of that, the crowd has no reason to hate Ambrose. And without a reason, he's not getting a strong reaction. And now, (besides maybe a feud with Finn) I have no idea where he can go from here. When I begged WWE to turn Ambrose heel, I wanted a main roster version of Ciampa. Someone so despised even other heels hated him. But he's getting shots in his ass and pretty much acting like he did before. I think the timing of it screwed them up. They changed plans when Roman left, and the slow burn turn got hotshotted. And because they’ve been set on “making Seth look strong” to face Brock, they haven’t committed to making this a tough, personal feud. I suspect they’re going to keep it going long enough for Ambrose to challenge Rollins for the big belt later in the year and really turn up the intensity then, but these last few months have been so weak that I’m not sure people will care much. Deano hasn’t found himself as a singles heel yet. But I have hope that he will get into his groove still. He’s been doing the Bane cosplay already. I’d like to see him lean into that and be more of a super villain, or even a Tyler Durden type figure, manipulating lackeys into helping him executive some wacky evil plans. Using either guys on the roster, nameless goons, or both. The B Team have run out of steam on their own, they need to attach themselves to a new leader.
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