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Post by spamisgood on Apr 21, 2008 15:59:08 GMT -5
I have a question, I havent been following the draft as much as I have in the past but Mel Kiper keeps saying Matt Ryan will go 8th, do the Jets not want him? The Jets need a QB. Can someone tell me why the Jets will not pick him? The Jets have been taking a hard look at McFadden. McFadden seems to be their number 1 right now with Gholston at 2. Some New York journalists agree with you and me that they should look at Matt Ryan and will even pick him over McFadden. Of course, this is the smart move. However, when have the Jets ever really drafted smart? I don't seriously understand how they could take McFadden over Ryan. Thomas Jone is a decent RB who is pretty underrated. IMO what they need is a QB. Pennington will continue getting hurt if he even plays again, and Kellon Clemeons pretty much sucks. Gholston is good but IMO they need a QB more than a d-lineman. They got Kris Jenkins who is pretty solid. Ghostlon is so-so, alot of the time he is great, but theres also that chance of him being bad. They need a QB to go with their, IMO, great o-line, Thomas Jones, and their semi-decent WR. If they draft Ryan and a WR in the second or third round their offense could be pretty damn good. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 21, 2008 16:45:16 GMT -5
The Jets have been taking a hard look at McFadden. McFadden seems to be their number 1 right now with Gholston at 2. Some New York journalists agree with you and me that they should look at Matt Ryan and will even pick him over McFadden. Of course, this is the smart move. However, when have the Jets ever really drafted smart? I don't seriously understand how they could take McFadden over Ryan. Thomas Jone is a decent RB who is pretty underrated. IMO what they need is a QB. Pennington will continue getting hurt if he even plays again, and Kellon Clemeons pretty much sucks. Gholston is good but IMO they need a QB more than a d-lineman. They got Kris Jenkins who is pretty solid. Ghostlon is so-so, alot of the time he is great, but theres also that chance of him being bad. They need a QB to go with their, IMO, great o-line, Thomas Jones, and their semi-decent WR. If they draft Ryan and a WR in the second or third round their offense could be pretty damn good. Again, you and I see eye to eye. But the Jets....well, they are the Jets. Jenkins isnt a real big pass rusher. Gholston is. Thats why they would like to add him. I am also hearing they are looking at Leodis McLovn. LOL!!! They are high on his stock. Also, pairing Jones with McFadden would be a decent combination. The league has gone from having one workhorse rb to having a 2 back system. Everyone is trying to replicate what Minnesota and New Orleans have done with the running game and Dallas too. A lot of scouts say that McFadden is the cant miss prospect of the draft and that if you pass on him, its like passing on Adrian Peterson. I dont agree. Cuz I think McFadden is just as injury prone as Adrian and he has a lot of character issues. Ryan is the way to go. Pennington can help groom Ryan and Ryan has the intelligence to understand the complicated schemes in New York. It just doesnt seem the Jets are ever committed to winning. They are only committed to being mediocre or horrid. |
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 21, 2008 16:53:47 GMT -5
I don't seriously understand how they could take McFadden over Ryan. Thomas Jone is a decent RB who is pretty underrated. Chester Taylor is a "pretty decent RB who is pretty underrated." What did the Vikings do? They drafted Adrian Peterson, who went on to win the rookie of the year award and set an NFL single-game rushing record in the process. It's not a matter of need so much as it is a matter of taking the best player available. If the Jets consider Darren McFadden to be the best player available, then they should take him - regardless of the position he plays. This strategy has worked well for teams for YEARS. Drafting for position only is a quick way to ensure that you're getting mediocre talent. IMO what they need is a QB. Pennington will continue getting hurt if he even plays again, and Kellon Clemeons pretty much sucks. Wow, you gave the guy 10 games and he "sucks?" Maybe he's on a horsecrapteam where young QB's have little to no chance to succeed? Yeah, that MIGHT be it... I'm not going to sit and act like Kellen Clemens is the answer for the Jets at quarterback, but I will say that I don't believe quarterback is that team's primary weakness. Gholston is good but IMO they need a QB more than a d-lineman. They got Kris Jenkins who is pretty solid. Kris Jenkins' fat ass isn't ANYTHING like Vernon Gholston... Clearly you either don't know who Vernon Gholston is or you don't know who Kris Jenkins is. - Here's some help... Just one quick clip of Gholston completely blowing past the perceived best tackle in this draft class, Jake Long. Ghostlon is so-so, alot of the time he is great, but theres also that chance of him being bad. ... And there's no chance that Matt Ryan will be bad? |
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Post by immortal on Apr 21, 2008 17:11:42 GMT -5
Matt Ryan sucks.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 21, 2008 23:30:05 GMT -5
I don't seriously understand how they could take McFadden over Ryan. Thomas Jone is a decent RB who is pretty underrated. Chester Taylor is a "pretty decent RB who is pretty underrated." What did the Vikings do? They drafted Adrian Peterson, who went on to win the rookie of the year award and set an NFL single-game rushing record in the process. It's not a matter of need so much as it is a matter of taking the best player available. If the Jets consider Darren McFadden to be the best player available, then they should take him - regardless of the position he plays. This strategy has worked well for teams for YEARS. Drafting for position only is a quick way to ensure that you're getting mediocre talent. Wow, you gave the guy 10 games and he "sucks?" Maybe he's on a horse **** team where young QB's have little to no chance to succeed? Yeah, that MIGHT be it... I'm not going to sit and act like Kellen Clemens is the answer for the Jets at quarterback, but I will say that I don't believe quarterback is that team's primary weakness. Kris Jenkins' fat ass isn't ANYTHING like Vernon Gholston... Clearly you either don't know who Vernon Gholston is or you don't know who Kris Jenkins is. - Here's some help... Just one quick clip of Gholston completely blowing past the perceived best tackle in this draft class, Jake Long. Ghostlon is so-so, alot of the time he is great, but theres also that chance of him being bad. ... And there's no chance that Matt Ryan will be bad? Kellen Clemens sucks. I would much rather have Pennington. He understands the offense better, makes smarter decisions and is more efficient. Yes, Clemens has a better arm, mobility and more youth. However, Chad has leadership qualities. Kellen does not. He is unable to take control of the huddle. Matt Ryan might turn out to be crap. Very possible. But from what I can see.....I dont think so. Ryan has exceptional intelligence. He can read defenses and understand complicated offensive schemes. Schottenheimer loves to throw in some gadget plays. And Ryan seems to be the perfect fit. Yes, I agree the Jets are lacking in a few areas. They do need a pass rushing DE, as Jenkins is getting old and that is not his fortay. Yes, they could use another corner to compliment Reevis. A linebacker and safety are also some areas of weakness. Not to mention, another receiver since McCareins was a total bust. BUT......the Jets #1 need is QB. I honestly think that that Ryan should be #1 on the board over McFadden. They have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington and recently acquired Jesse Chatman. Unfortunately, my gut says the Jets wont get McFadden or Ryan. The Raiders will draft McFadden and Ryan will fall to the Jets, who will in turn pass on Matt Ryan to draft Gholston. And 5 years down the road, Gholston will be traded away for a 5th round pick like Mini Sapp Dewayne Robertson.  |
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Post by justtooratedr on Apr 21, 2008 23:58:53 GMT -5
Chester Taylor is a "pretty decent RB who is pretty underrated." What did the Vikings do? They drafted Adrian Peterson, who went on to win the rookie of the year award and set an NFL single-game rushing record in the process. It's not a matter of need so much as it is a matter of taking the best player available. If the Jets consider Darren McFadden to be the best player available, then they should take him - regardless of the position he plays. This strategy has worked well for teams for YEARS. Drafting for position only is a quick way to ensure that you're getting mediocre talent. Wow, you gave the guy 10 games and he "sucks?" Maybe he's on a horse **** team where young QB's have little to no chance to succeed? Yeah, that MIGHT be it... I'm not going to sit and act like Kellen Clemens is the answer for the Jets at quarterback, but I will say that I don't believe quarterback is that team's primary weakness. Kris Jenkins' fat ass isn't ANYTHING like Vernon Gholston... Clearly you either don't know who Vernon Gholston is or you don't know who Kris Jenkins is. - Here's some help... Just one quick clip of Gholston completely blowing past the perceived best tackle in this draft class, Jake Long. ... And there's no chance that Matt Ryan will be bad? Matt Ryan might turn out to be crap. Very possible. But from what I can see.....I dont think so. Ryan has exceptional intelligence. He can read defenses and understand complicated offensive schemes. Schottenheimer loves to throw in some gadget plays. And Ryan seems to be the perfect fit. Yes, I agree the Jets are lacking in a few areas. They do need a pass rushing DE, as Jenkins is getting old and that is not his fortay. Yes, they could use another corner to compliment Reevis. A linebacker and safety are also some areas of weakness. Not to mention, another receiver since McCareins was a total bust. BUT......the Jets #1 need is QB. I honestly think that that Ryan should be #1 on the board over McFadden. They have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington and recently acquired Jesse Chatman. Unfortunately, my gut says the Jets wont get McFadden or Ryan. The Raiders will draft McFadden and Ryan will fall to the Jets, who will in turn pass on Matt Ryan to draft Gholston. And 5 years down the road, Gholston will be traded away for a 5th round pick like Mini Sapp Dewayne Robertson. Because you can soooo tell that in 10 games.  and are you inside the huddle getting this exclusive info? |
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 22, 2008 14:04:04 GMT -5
Jake Long becomes No. 1 overall pick in 2008 NFL Draft
Jake Long has agreed to terms with the Miami Dolphins to become the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
It’s a five-year deal, which might be one of the major concessions that the Dolphins had to make in order to hold down the total money to be paid to Long. Typically, the No. 1 overall pick signs a six-year deal.
Glazer says that Long is already in the building, for a press conference that apparently will start at 1:45 p.m. EDT.
- Jay Glazer, FOXSports.com
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More information as it becomes available.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2008 15:06:04 GMT -5
Kellen Clemens sucks. I would much rather have Pennington. He understands the offense better, makes smarter decisions and is more efficient. Yes, Clemens has a better arm, mobility and more youth. However, Chad has leadership qualities. Kellen does not. He is unable to take control of the huddle. Matt Ryan might turn out to be crap. Very possible. But from what I can see.....I dont think so. Ryan has exceptional intelligence. He can read defenses and understand complicated offensive schemes. Schottenheimer loves to throw in some gadget plays. And Ryan seems to be the perfect fit. Yes, I agree the Jets are lacking in a few areas. They do need a pass rushing DE, as Jenkins is getting old and that is not his fortay. Yes, they could use another corner to compliment Reevis. A linebacker and safety are also some areas of weakness. Not to mention, another receiver since McCareins was a total bust. BUT......the Jets #1 need is QB. I honestly think that that Ryan should be #1 on the board over McFadden. They have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington and recently acquired Jesse Chatman. Unfortunately, my gut says the Jets wont get McFadden or Ryan. The Raiders will draft McFadden and Ryan will fall to the Jets, who will in turn pass on Matt Ryan to draft Gholston. And 5 years down the road, Gholston will be traded away for a 5th round pick like Mini Sapp Dewayne Robertson. Because you can soooo tell that in 10 games. and are you inside the huddle getting this exclusive info? Pretty much so. Those huddles can be brutal. |
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Apr 22, 2008 15:12:23 GMT -5
to be honest, after watching someone for over half a season, if you can't tell basic things about their leadership/mobility/decision making/etc. you're probably not really watching.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 22, 2008 15:35:54 GMT -5
to be honest, after watching someone for over half a season, if you can't tell basic things about their leadership/mobility/decision making/etc. you're probably not really watching. Quarterbacks need time to develop. You can't just throw them to the wolves and think that the guy is going to be amazing. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2008 16:26:07 GMT -5
to be honest, after watching someone for over half a season, if you can't tell basic things about their leadership/mobility/decision making/etc. you're probably not really watching. Quarterbacks need time to develop. You can't just throw them to the wolves and think that the guy is going to be amazing. Not saying that I am. However, Clemens isnt showing much of anything right now. As a Jets fan, I would much rather have Pennington in the huddle. |
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 22, 2008 16:45:31 GMT -5
Not saying that I am. However, Clemens isnt showing much of anything right now. As a Jets fan, I would much rather have Pennington in the huddle. I probably would, too. Pennington isn't that bad if he's actually protected. He's not going to break a game open, but he's decent enough if he just needs to manage the game. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2008 17:07:25 GMT -5
Not saying that I am. However, Clemens isnt showing much of anything right now. As a Jets fan, I would much rather have Pennington in the huddle. I probably would, too. Pennington isn't that bad if he's actually protected. He's not going to break a game open, but he's decent enough if he just needs to manage the game. Yeah, thats how I feel. He is smart and usually makes good decisions. Last season I think he forced too many and thats what caused his benching. Also, the inability to get the running game going till the last half of the season didnt help. |
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 22, 2008 17:08:29 GMT -5
Shaun Alexander gone from Seahawks?
Per multiple media reports, running back Shaun Alexander will be released in the near future by the Seattle Seahawks.
The move isn’t surprising, given the huge contract that Alexander received in 2006 and the low production that the team has gotten from him since then. We consistently heard during Alexander’s record-setting 2005 campaign that the team was leery about paying him big money due to fears that, once he got paid, the fire would go out.
The timing is a little peculiar, however. Our best guess is that the Seahawks are hoping that Alexander’s arrival on the market in the days before the draft might cause some teams to be distracted from their draft preparations, as they ponder whether to pursue Alexander — and as they potentially expedite the process if multiple teams join the hunt.
Finally, we continue to see references to the notion that the Seahawks were not able to cut Alexander until his injured wrist heals. That is simply incorrect. As to an injury suffered in 2007, he can be cut while not healthy, and the team would be responsible for at most $275,000 in 2008. If Alexander signs elsewhere, the Seahawks owe him nothing.
And that’s another reason to cut Alexander now. If he is seriously injured during offseason workouts or minicamps, the team would potentially be on the hook for all or part of his 2008 base salary.
-- ProFootballTalk.com
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Can't say I didn't see this coming. As I've been saying for years, although Alexander was a pretty good running back, he was never elite - even before his injury. I'm sure he'll find a job elsewhere, and I hope he ends up doing well, but I find it hard to believe that he's going to be anything better than an average RB anywhere else.
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Post by T R W on Apr 22, 2008 17:17:20 GMT -5
Chad Pennington has a noodle arm.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2008 17:27:23 GMT -5
Shaun Alexander gone from Seahawks?Per multiple media reports, running back Shaun Alexander will be released in the near future by the Seattle Seahawks. The move isn’t surprising, given the huge contract that Alexander received in 2006 and the low production that the team has gotten from him since then. We consistently heard during Alexander’s record-setting 2005 campaign that the team was leery about paying him big money due to fears that, once he got paid, the fire would go out. The timing is a little peculiar, however. Our best guess is that the Seahawks are hoping that Alexander’s arrival on the market in the days before the draft might cause some teams to be distracted from their draft preparations, as they ponder whether to pursue Alexander — and as they potentially expedite the process if multiple teams join the hunt. Finally, we continue to see references to the notion that the Seahawks were not able to cut Alexander until his injured wrist heals. That is simply incorrect. As to an injury suffered in 2007, he can be cut while not healthy, and the team would be responsible for at most $275,000 in 2008. If Alexander signs elsewhere, the Seahawks owe him nothing. And that’s another reason to cut Alexander now. If he is seriously injured during offseason workouts or minicamps, the team would potentially be on the hook for all or part of his 2008 base salary. -- ProFootballTalk.com ------------------------ Can't say I didn't see this coming. As I've been saying for years, although Alexander was a pretty good running back, he was never elite - even before his injury. I'm sure he'll find a job elsewhere, and I hope he ends up doing well, but I find it hard to believe that he's going to be anything better than an average RB anywhere else. Two seasons after being the NFL's MVP, Shaun Alexander is looking for work. The Seattle Seahawks released the franchise's all-time leading rusher on Tuesday, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter. Looks like he is gone. Credit: NFL.com |
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Post by Happy Pizza on Apr 22, 2008 17:47:59 GMT -5
I thought Shaun Alexander got released weeks ago. Huh.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2008 18:00:10 GMT -5
I thought Shaun Alexander got released weeks ago. Huh. I thought I heard that too. Guess not. |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 22, 2008 20:01:58 GMT -5
I thought Shaun Alexander left the 'hawks, a while ago.....
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Post by arodmav4124 on Apr 22, 2008 20:22:30 GMT -5
after getting julius jones and tj duckett it was bound to happen
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