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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 3, 2019 18:05:55 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Black. When they first signed him I had similar feelings. "Oh good, another tattoo'd guy who likes to kick". Since then though the gimmick makes me cringe. A bit too "edge lord" for me. It's a nice figure but I only buy and collect those I'm a fan of, so I doubt I'll ever try to get him. I'm eagerly anticipating the next series (if we get it). I need Almas and Itami bad. That being said, I love his finisher.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 3, 2019 18:12:14 GMT -5
Yes, there will always be more big guys than little ones. But little guys have a bigger impact in pro sports now than they ever have. The small wrestlers are getting bigger pops and have more fanfare than the big guys. Not debatable. They are also more fun to watch. Again, not debatable. Bringing up other guys was to show that other sports have come to grips with the facts that being little isn't a disability. It's not just Iverson 20 years ago. Steph curry is a 2 time mvp and the best shooter ever. Not opinion. In basketball terms, hes a midget. Listed at 6'3, but he isnt. Russell Westbrook is listed at the same height. He has had a historic 3 year run that no big man has ever had. Isaiah Thomas was a top 3 mvp vote getter a few years ago. In football, look at drew brees, Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, kyler Murray. Times have changed. Being tall and having a never ending supply of baby oil doesn't mean crap anymore. Even in fighting, yes there are weight classes. Fight mighty mouse. I'll bet the house on him. Hes 5'3. And he'll likely make you cry. Even the UFC heavyweight champion is under 6 feet tall and has a dad bod. It's time we no longer pretend that being tall makes you more legit or being muscular makes you a threat. It's a fetish. Nothing more. That’s where you lost me. I will take a match with more ring psychology over a match where everyone and their mother are doing suicide dives and other flippy-floppy moves. It means so much more when a guy like Undertaker does a dive over the top rope during a high profile PPV match than guys like Rollins or Balor who are two modern guys I do like doing it multiple times on every RAW or match they have. PJ got to this before I did. Fun is subjective and that point is certainly debatable. It depends what you're watching for. I like my wrestling to be logical and not contrived, regardless of size. Flips and impressive athletic displays mean nothing if there's no psychology or story. As far as size goes I do not have a preference. So long as talent is there. That being said I am tired of smaller guys doing big power moves while larger guys are flying around. It's rendering everyone down to being the same and it really bothers me. /End off topic rant.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 3, 2019 18:37:34 GMT -5
I agree it's overkill these days no doubt. But seth Rollins vs styles will always be more fun than Braun vs Corbin. And it's usually because they're 'too small'and have to perfect their craft where as Corbin and Braun walk in the door, Vince pops a cork, and they get more spotlight than they deserve. Undertaker is a rare exception. His character, his look, his mystique all meshed so perfectly and he was pretty talented. But the list of really good big guys is short when compared to the list of meh big guys. Big meaning tall, super ripped or obese. That's why I compared it to the NFL. Blaine gabbert was a 1st round pick because he was tall and had the measurables. He never did a thing to warrant that pick, in college or after being drafted. Russell wilson was a high level performer from high school, a winner his whole life. But he is short, so 3rd rounder. This is such a silly thing to debate. Of course the average small guy is more acrobatic than the average 300 pounder. It’s to the point of it no longer being impressive or special. But if pro wrestling were a real fight these little guys would stand no chance. This is the precise reason that they have weight classes in actual combat sports and not in pro wrestling. So if you’re one who doesn’t care about realism, sure. Go ahead and watch 160 pound guys flip around. It should be noted that of the pro wrestlers that have gone on to compete and be successful in mma, none were small. A good match is a good match as far as I’m concerned, but an athlete like Scott Steiner is harder to come by than a Finn Balor. This much I know for sure. You can't argue realism when watching wrestling. Nothing about it is real. Guys don't get up from steel chair headshots for real. Nobody has music got everytime the enter a room. Nobody is named Deisel or The Big Show. Nobody is gonna lay still for a people's elbow. Nobody attacks their boss. If arguing realism, throw this Becky lynch trash out the door. She ain't looking at Ronda rousey without permission. Not once did I say or imply acrobatics being the sole factor in what I'm watching for. Comparing Balor and Steiner is...questionable? One never stood on his own 2 feet...tag team specialist for most of his career, partnered with buff Bagwell or in the nwo for most of the rest of it. The other is a world renowned indy darling, probably still the guy most people think of when they think nxt and its history, and a wwe world champion. While Steiner may have bigger muscles, I'd argue finn is more impressive top to bottom. Especially since he doesn't inject roids into his body at a higher rate than big e pulls pancakes from his crotch This whole small guys would lose a real fight attitude is pathetic. YouTube is full of hundreds of videos that support just the opposite. Bruce Lee wasn't very big. Wanna fight Bruce Lee, in the prime of his life? Of course you don't. You'd never walk again. I'm getting plenty of likes. So I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. But I'm gonna stop replying to this thread unless someone actually has a real reason why small guys are inferior. One that doesn't have to do with the tingle they get from looking at Roman reigns.
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Mar 3, 2019 18:47:52 GMT -5
lmao, it looks like you're mad at something else and projecting in here, but whatever, enjoy your short-guy tingles, bub.
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Post by PJ on Mar 3, 2019 18:55:01 GMT -5
I didn’t read every word of every post, but I didn’t/don’t see where anyone said anything about hating smaller wrestlers. All I read was how many of us prefer more ring psychology in matches and not all the flipping and suicide dives where there’s no story being told inside the ring. It’s just high risk spot to next high risk spot with no substance in between. Not once did I read anyone say they didn’t like the smaller guys, but we prefer more wrestling in our matches over multiple suicide dives and other high spot moves in every single match they wrestle in. Other than Superfly’s leap or Macho Man’s flying elbow finishers back in the day the matches didn’t have that except at a PPV making it something special. Now everyone and their mother is doing it in every match and none are telling stories. Oh and kennyw86v2 I can’t speak for anyone else but when I walk into a room I hear entrance music in my head every time. I hear Mr Wonderful’s theme! and now whenever you read one of my posts you’ll hear it in your head too! You’re Welcome!
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 3, 2019 18:57:24 GMT -5
This is such a silly thing to debate. Of course the average small guy is more acrobatic than the average 300 pounder. It’s to the point of it no longer being impressive or special. But if pro wrestling were a real fight these little guys would stand no chance. This is the precise reason that they have weight classes in actual combat sports and not in pro wrestling. So if you’re one who doesn’t care about realism, sure. Go ahead and watch 160 pound guys flip around. It should be noted that of the pro wrestlers that have gone on to compete and be successful in mma, none were small. A good match is a good match as far as I’m concerned, but an athlete like Scott Steiner is harder to come by than a Finn Balor. This much I know for sure. You can't argue realism when watching wrestling. Nothing about it is real. Guys don't get up from steel chair headshots for real. Nobody has music got everytime the enter a room. Nobody is named Deisel or The Big Show. Nobody is gonna lay still for a people's elbow. Nobody attacks their boss. If arguing realism, throw this Becky lynch trash out the door. She ain't looking at Ronda rousey without permission. Not once did I say or imply acrobatics being the sole factor in what I'm watching for. Comparing Balor and Steiner is...questionable? One never stood on his own 2 feet...tag team specialist for most of his career, partnered with buff Bagwell or in the nwo for most of the rest of it. The other is a world renowned indy darling, probably still the guy most people think of when they think nxt and its history, and a wwe world champion. While Steiner may have bigger muscles, I'd argue finn is more impressive top to bottom. Especially since he doesn't inject roids into his body at a higher rate than big e pulls pancakes from his crotch This whole small guys would lose a real fight attitude is pathetic. YouTube is full of hundreds of videos that support just the opposite. Bruce Lee wasn't very big. Wanna fight Bruce Lee, in the prime of his life? Of course you don't. You'd never walk again. I'm getting plenty of likes. So I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. But I'm gonna stop replying to this thread unless someone actually has a real reason why small guys are inferior. One that doesn't have to do with the tingle they get from looking at Roman reigns. Looks like someone is woefully low on their Scott Steiner history. But I'll let that slide... I don't understand why anyone would ever have to pick one or the other type of size. Wrestling isn't real, no, but it's at its best when it feels real imo. It's a form of entertainment you can escape in. If all I'm doing is worrying about look and workrate then I won't be enjoying anything. Presentation is a huge factor. You skimmed over a massive list comparable in size of "meh small guys" to that of big guys. You also can't dismiss realism points but use real life pro sports stars to strengthen your point. Can't have it both ways. You are getting likes because your point of view is the more popular one. Hence why Indies are bigger than ever as well as smaller guys and why pro wrestling has been dying a thousand deaths since the 80s. Sports entertainment rules all. You're trying to present your opinion as fact and making grand statements like they can't be argued with. Watch some stuff outside of the last 10 years.
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Post by micco on Mar 3, 2019 19:01:20 GMT -5
This is such a silly thing to debate. Of course the average small guy is more acrobatic than the average 300 pounder. It’s to the point of it no longer being impressive or special. But if pro wrestling were a real fight these little guys would stand no chance. This is the precise reason that they have weight classes in actual combat sports and not in pro wrestling. So if you’re one who doesn’t care about realism, sure. Go ahead and watch 160 pound guys flip around. It should be noted that of the pro wrestlers that have gone on to compete and be successful in mma, none were small. A good match is a good match as far as I’m concerned, but an athlete like Scott Steiner is harder to come by than a Finn Balor. This much I know for sure. You can't argue realism when watching wrestling. Nothing about it is real. Guys don't get up from steel chair headshots for real. Nobody has music got everytime the enter a room. Nobody is named Deisel or The Big Show. Nobody is gonna lay still for a people's elbow. Nobody attacks their boss. If arguing realism, throw this Becky lynch trash out the door. She ain't looking at Ronda rousey without permission. Not once did I say or imply acrobatics being the sole factor in what I'm watching for. Comparing Balor and Steiner is...questionable? One never stood on his own 2 feet...tag team specialist for most of his career, partnered with buff Bagwell or in the nwo for most of the rest of it. The other is a world renowned indy darling, probably still the guy most people think of when they think nxt and its history, and a wwe world champion. While Steiner may have bigger muscles, I'd argue finn is more impressive top to bottom. Especially since he doesn't inject roids into his body at a higher rate than big e pulls pancakes from his crotch This whole small guys would lose a real fight attitude is pathetic. YouTube is full of hundreds of videos that support just the opposite. Bruce Lee wasn't very big. Wanna fight Bruce Lee, in the prime of his life? Of course you don't. You'd never walk again. I'm getting plenty of likes. So I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. But I'm gonna stop replying to this thread unless someone actually has a real reason why small guys are inferior. One that doesn't have to do with the tingle they get from looking at Roman reigns. Big guys beat up small guys in fights. That is a fact. Of course there are exceptions but that is the general rule. Why else do you thing there are weight classes? I’ll tell you the difference between Steiner ( just a name I picked randomly) and Balor. There are a million guys that resemble Balor in stature and they can all do exactly what he does for the most part. There are few specimens comparable to Steiner. Of the few that exist, even fewer can perform the maneuvers that he can. Of the small guys that you worship, if they were to gain a hundred pounds, the chances are slim that they’d be able to do what Steiner does. He’s a different caliber of athlete which he has proven given his amateur credentials compared to these small guys non existent accomplishments.
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Post by PJ on Mar 3, 2019 19:06:49 GMT -5
They don’t need to be giants. Guys like Bret, Piper, Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Anderson, Blanchard, Magnum TA, Triple H, Magnificent Muraco, Mr Wonderful, Greg Valentine they didn’t do all these high flying high spot moves and always told a story between the ropes while barely leaving their feet.
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 4, 2019 0:03:07 GMT -5
So cool you got Black! I see that the Rollins’ calves are a little bit bigger than the boots with the fix up but i think it is acceptable, right? It's a smidgen bigger but passable to the naked eye really. I'm sure like Christian's black calves might be the better solution but might be a tricky figure to track down; Seth is all over the place.
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 5, 2019 23:41:51 GMT -5
Got my Retrofest Flair today. When Mattel first got the WWE license a decade ago, my very first fix-up was converting a Legends Terry Funk to a red-geared Ric Flair, so it's kinda nice after all these years to finally have an official Mattel red-geared Flair. You've heard the three faces of Foley, and the three faces of Ottman, well here's my three faces of Flair: here's my original Flair. I still think the Jakks head is far superior:
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 5, 2019 23:46:43 GMT -5
Slap the small WCW title on another and lets get a 4th face
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 5:22:20 GMT -5
I still love that fix up. Wish I still had mine. Would probably skip the Retrofest lol
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 6, 2019 6:50:07 GMT -5
Figure looks nice, but man every Flair is ruined by that god awful torso. Flair was not packing those abs, he had flab’s and was more rounded.
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Post by Gorilla on Mar 6, 2019 7:53:17 GMT -5
That Jakks head is one of the only heads that looks better than Mattel (from what I have scene).
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Post by Bobby Heenan on Mar 6, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -5
That Jakks head is one of the only heads that looks better than Mattel (from what I have scene). I have to say I much prefer the Jakks Windham and Bundy (RIP) heads too. While the Bundy head makes the arms look a bit tiny, it's just WORLDS better than the Mattel one. It even has back of the neck flab that covers the neck!
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 6, 2019 11:24:24 GMT -5
The Jakks CS head is better than any of the heads Mattel has made by a pretty big margin imo.
I like the Flashback Flair quite a bit, though. I would have grabbed it had I come across it in Walmart, but I never did see it at retail. I'm passing on the Retrofest figure unless it gets into the $10 range. I just want the robe but otherwise it's not a need. We need 90s WCW Flairs.
Great picture!
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Post by bharrisfan on Mar 6, 2019 11:39:32 GMT -5
love the red flair. the painted knee pads are awesome. glad they didnt cheap out. I got two of em and might buy another one. for an all red, a black/red boot, and a 2003+ flair still hate the torso, hate the skinny toothpick looking legs.
and another thing that's always bugged me flair never wore carolina blue with ***royal blue boots*** with white lettering. he either wore a white boot with the baby blues or the more prolific teal colored boot with red RF. it wrecks me every time i see it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 11:39:33 GMT -5
Great Flair set-up. Keep going with it.
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Post by Sting on Mar 6, 2019 12:16:06 GMT -5
I liked the Jakks face too for a very long time as well, but now I think the Mattel Flair head is better lol
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Post by Rattlehead on Mar 6, 2019 16:43:00 GMT -5
Woooo that JAKKS head makes it much better. Glad I still have mine, I've been waiting for Flair to be in red gear.
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