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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 15, 2019 18:54:41 GMT -5
He really had no choice to but to leave the WWE. Vince was trying to screw him out of money. McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. When Bret was out in 1996 and his contract expired, Bischoff offered him a contract very similar to the one he would sign a year later. So,no,it wasn't only cause of money. If it was, he would've left in 96. Vince and Bret signed a legally binding contract, so Bret realistically did nothing wrong when Vince decided to breach the contract. also, up until the end Bret wanted to stay in the WWF, and Vince kept pushing him to reconsider, and even offered to help Bret get the bigger payday in WCW by pretending he was going to offer Bret more money to stay in the WWF. Vince wanted Bret gone for 2 reasons: 1) He no longer felt Bret had value to the company, and regreted offering him the contract. 2) Vince was going with Shawn Michaels and Austin as the top 2 guys going forward. Lastly, Vince couldn't afford to pay Bret's salary, yet a little over a month after the Montreal Screwjob he had no problems finding 2 million to pay Mike Tyson to make some appearances and ref at WrestleMania. Which was WAY more money than one year of Bret's salary would have cost. |
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 15, 2019 20:16:44 GMT -5
McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. When Bret was out in 1996 and his contract expired, Bischoff offered him a contract very similar to the one he would sign a year later. So,no,it wasn't only cause of money. If it was, he would've left in 96. Vince and Bret signed a legally binding contract, so Bret realistically did nothing wrong when Vince decided to breach the contract. also, up until the end Bret wanted to stay in the WWF, and Vince kept pushing him to reconsider, and even offered to help Bret get the bigger payday in WCW by pretending he was going to offer Bret more money to stay in the WWF. Vince wanted Bret gone for 2 reasons: 1) He no longer felt Bret had value to the company, and regreted offering him the contract. 2) Vince was going with Shawn Michaels and Austin as the top 2 guys going forward. Lastly, Vince couldn't afford to pay Bret's salary, yet a little over a month after the Montreal Screwjob he had no problems finding 2 million to pay Mike Tyson to make some appearances and ref at WrestleMania. Which was WAY more money than one year of Bret's salary would have cost. Tyson is a much bigger draw than Bret. That should probably go without saying.
Bret was forcing Vince's hand, yet again, like he did in 1992. Bret's ego is the culprit.
Hart was on his way out then, and unfortunately a lapse in his contract forced him to stay in WWF. WCW even had an angle worked out where he'd drop the IC belt into the trash on TV. Sound familiar? This is why Bret lost it to The Mountie at a house show. They thought he was gone. So him being Mr. loyal is all a degree of perception.
Vince lured Bret to stay with a win over Piper for the IC belt at Mania, a headlining match at Summerslam, his first WWF title and a submission win over Michaels to round out the year. Bret is a notorious self-mark. I'm sure he was paid handsomely then too, but at the time, Vince couldn't afford to lose him.
By 1997, there was nothing left to offer Bret, and Bret wasn't offering the company anything new except creative control headaches and contract disputes. It was someone else's turn.
The 20 year deal was in good faith, and was Vince reassuring Bret that he'd always have a home. But the money didn't add up. Bret leveraged for more money than anyone else and Vince knew he couldn't justify paying him more than his other stars. It would've been a heavy handed move and the rest of the roster would've reacted accordingly.
Bret got screwed into more money and less dates! What a travesty.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 15, 2019 20:34:13 GMT -5
I never liked Goldberg. He couldn't wrestle long matches and was very sloppy in the ring.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 15, 2019 22:21:20 GMT -5
When Bret was out in 1996 and his contract expired, Bischoff offered him a contract very similar to the one he would sign a year later. So,no,it wasn't only cause of money. If it was, he would've left in 96. Vince and Bret signed a legally binding contract, so Bret realistically did nothing wrong when Vince decided to breach the contract. also, up until the end Bret wanted to stay in the WWF, and Vince kept pushing him to reconsider, and even offered to help Bret get the bigger payday in WCW by pretending he was going to offer Bret more money to stay in the WWF. Vince wanted Bret gone for 2 reasons: 1) He no longer felt Bret had value to the company, and regreted offering him the contract. 2) Vince was going with Shawn Michaels and Austin as the top 2 guys going forward. Lastly, Vince couldn't afford to pay Bret's salary, yet a little over a month after the Montreal Screwjob he had no problems finding 2 million to pay Mike Tyson to make some appearances and ref at WrestleMania. Which was WAY more money than one year of Bret's salary would have cost. Tyson is a much bigger draw than Bret. That should probably go without saying.
Bret was forcing Vince's hand, yet again, like he did in 1992. Bret's ego is the culprit.
Hart was on his way out then, and unfortunately a lapse in his contract forced him to stay in WWF. WCW even had an angle worked out where he'd drop the IC belt into the trash on TV. Sound familiar? This is why Bret lost it to The Mountie at a house show. They thought he was gone. So him being Mr. loyal is all a degree of perception.
Vince lured Bret to stay with a win over Piper for the IC belt at Mania, a headlining match at Summerslam, his first WWF title and a submission win over Michaels to round out the year. Bret is a notorious self-mark. I'm sure he was paid handsomely then too, but at the time, Vince couldn't afford to lose him.
By 1997, there was nothing left to offer Bret, and Bret wasn't offering the company anything new except creative control headaches and contract disputes. It was someone else's turn.
The 20 year deal was in good faith, and was Vince reassuring Bret that he'd always have a home. But the money didn't add up. Bret leveraged for more money than anyone else and Vince knew he couldn't justify paying him more than his other stars. It would've been a heavy handed move and the rest of the roster would've reacted accordingly.
Bret got screwed into more money and less dates! What a travesty.
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 15, 2019 22:42:22 GMT -5
Where exactly are you getting your info? All of this is new to me. The bit about 1992? Here's what Melzter wrote in the Observer about it: "As has become pretty common knowledge as the week went on, Hart had negotiated and at one point agreed to a deal where he would debut on Tuesday (1/21/92) at the Clash of the Champions for WCW in Topeka where he'd come out with the Intercontinental title as something of a payback for the WWF bringing in Ric Flair and having him wear what WCW considered their world title belt (of course the situations are completely different in that Flair was fired by WCW after the company attempted to cut an existing contract almost in half, which somehow six months later WCW feels is the WWF's fault for, to the extent they went to court over getting the belt off WWF television shows. So this idea was to gain revenge on the WWF, but the difference is that Hart would be walking out on a valid contract). The fact Hart was losing the title in Springfield was the world's worst-kept secret being that the WWF syndicated shows went out on the satellite Wednesday, which means anyone with a dish (which probably means well over one million potential viewers) would have been able to watch on Wednesday them talk about, in the past tense, in detail, an angle that was going to occur two days later." |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 15, 2019 22:56:32 GMT -5
Where exactly are you getting your info? All of this is new to me. The bit about 1992? Here's what Melzter wrote in the Observer about it: "As has become pretty common knowledge as the week went on, Hart had negotiated and at one point agreed to a deal where he would debut on Tuesday (1/21/92) at the Clash of the Champions for WCW in Topeka where he'd come out with the Intercontinental title as something of a payback for the WWF bringing in Ric Flair and having him wear what WCW considered their world title belt (of course the situations are completely different in that Flair was fired by WCW after the company attempted to cut an existing contract almost in half, which somehow six months later WCW feels is the WWF's fault for, to the extent they went to court over getting the belt off WWF television shows. So this idea was to gain revenge on the WWF, but the difference is that Hart would be walking out on a valid contract). The fact Hart was losing the title in Springfield was the world's worst-kept secret being that the WWF syndicated shows went out on the satellite Wednesday, which means anyone with a dish (which probably means well over one million potential viewers) would have been able to watch on Wednesday them talk about, in the past tense, in detail, an angle that was going to occur two days later." WCW may have had plans to do it, but that doesnt mean Bret did. He has stated he didnt want to leave the WWE, in 92 or 97. He only negotiated with WCW in 1992 because Vince wasnt paying him what he was worth. |
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 16, 2019 0:27:02 GMT -5
WCW may have had plans to do it, but that doesnt mean Bret did. He has stated he didnt want to leave the WWE, in 92 or 97. He only negotiated with WCW in 1992 because Vince wasnt paying him what he was worth. He only stayed because he was forced to. Bret's ultimate fear in WWF was that he'd be discarded the same way guys like Tito Santana were. He didn't trust Vince with his character, even though Vince was promising him big things down the road. He felt they were empty promises. At least that's what Bret has said. Brian Pillman told Bret he could get a similar deal at WCW that he had, which was fairly more than what WWF was paying. Hart called Jim Barnett. Barnett basically told him they couldn't pay him what Pillman promised, but none of that mattered because Bret made an oversight in his WWF contract. He thought it ended sooner, but it didn't rollover until September of that year. So he was stuck. Had that not been an issue, he would've left regardless. Rick Rude and Pillman were more than enough reason for him to go. Vince basically kowtowed to the Hitman in response. Not wanting to lose a young star he invested so much time and money into, just to serve him up to a rival company with a bow. He gave Bret perhaps the best year of his career, at least up until that point, in an effort to keep him. Oddly enough, in late '97 it was again a fear that Bret would take a WWF title over to a WCW show, this time the World title. Bret and Eric Bischoff say they would've never done it, and for legality purposes it probably couldn't have happened without a firefight, but it was a looming issue and a legitimate fear of Vince's. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 16, 2019 3:54:08 GMT -5
WCW may have had plans to do it, but that doesnt mean Bret did. He has stated he didnt want to leave the WWE, in 92 or 97. He only negotiated with WCW in 1992 because Vince wasnt paying him what he was worth. He only stayed because he was forced to. Bret's ultimate fear in WWF was that he'd be discarded the same way guys like Tito Santana were. He didn't trust Vince with his character, even though Vince was promising him big things down the road. He felt they were empty promises. At least that's what Bret has said. Brian Pillman told Bret he could get a similar deal at WCW that he had, which was fairly more than what WWF was paying. Hart called Jim Barnett. Barnett basically told him they couldn't pay him what Pillman promised, but none of that mattered because Bret made an oversight in his WWF contract. He thought it ended sooner, but it didn't rollover until September of that year. So he was stuck. Had that not been an issue, he would've left regardless. Rick Rude and Pillman were more than enough reason for him to go. Vince basically kowtowed to the Hitman in response. Not wanting to lose a young star he invested so much time and money into, just to serve him up to a rival company with a bow. He gave Bret perhaps the best year of his career, at least up until that point, in an effort to keep him. Oddly enough, in late '97 it was again a fear that Bret would take a WWF title over to a WCW show, this time the World title. Bret and Eric Bischoff say they would've never done it, and for legality purposes it probably couldn't have happened without a firefight, but it was a looming issue and a legitimate fear of Vince's. Bret didnt mention any of this in his book. He did say that Flair offered him a ton of money to go to WCW though, and that he later called back and said he actually wasn't qualified to make deals like that. |
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 16, 2019 10:31:02 GMT -5
Bret didnt mention any of this in his book. He did say that Flair offered him a ton of money to go to WCW though, and that he later called back and said he actually wasn't qualified to make deals like that. Here's a video of Bret himself saying it: Bret also mentioned in his book that he got more fan mail than Hulk Hogan in 1988, which is very hard to believe. |
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 16, 2019 12:32:10 GMT -5
Ya see Goldberg did do damage...no doubt but it wasn't the kick that canned Bret. It was his continuing activity with that concussion that retired him....He had a hardcore match with Funk......where he took SEVERAL unprotected blows to the head. If he had went to the docs the next day he likely would have been ok. But lots of folks seem to think he would have ended up back in WWE around 2002/03. I personally don't get where this theory comes from because there's no way that happens IMHO. there was also a bicycle accident that led to his stroke where he fell and went headfirst. the concussions beforehand most likely were involved with the stroke’s severity but it was the fall itself that really incapacitated him. Always forget about this.... |
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Post by PJ on Mar 16, 2019 16:46:02 GMT -5
I thought the bicycle accident & stroke were results of the Goldberg injury where he had some sort of hole or something behind his ear from the injury. At least that is what I vaguely remember reading the days after the accident & stroke happened.
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Post by K5 on Mar 16, 2019 19:31:11 GMT -5
I thought the bicycle accident & stroke were results of the Goldberg injury where he had some sort of hole or something behind his ear from the injury. At least that is what I vaguely remember reading the days after the accident & stroke happened. there is no doubt they were correlated. and you’re right, he had a large chunk of muscle removed from his neck due to the kick from Goldberg. that match is like watching Ned Stark get murdered. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Mar 17, 2019 10:26:05 GMT -5
Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. Vince never had contracts back then i dont think, wasnt it just a guarantee/handshake? Actually no he always had contracts, only a few guys had handshake deals like Jesse Ventura. The difference is downside guarantees weren't his thing in the 80s and early 90s. But performers had contracts like the Ultimate Warrior in '87 had a contract that paid out a minimum $150 per house show + $50 per tv taping and royalties of 25% of licensed merch and 5% direct sales. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 10:34:44 GMT -5
Yeah because he intentionally kicked a hole in Bret's head. Did UT get off lightly after HBK broke his back? Did Owen when Austin broke his neck? Did D'Lo get off lightly for paralyzing Droz? Did Scott Steiner get off lightly when Sid broke his leg? Come on man.  happens. Holding a 20 year grudge over something that in no way had anything to do with us isn't going to un-kick that hole in Brets head. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Mar 19, 2019 9:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 19, 2019 10:04:20 GMT -5
Did the concussion play any role in the stroke he suffered? I am not a big fan of Bret so I don't know the entire back story, but wasn't it the stroke that caused him to retire and not the concussion?
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 20, 2019 0:36:07 GMT -5
Did the concussion play any role in the stroke he suffered? I am not a big fan of Bret so I don't know the entire back story, but wasn't it the stroke that caused him to retire and not the concussion? It was the concussion, that he didnt receive treatment for initially. Then a few days later, he wrestled a hardcore match and took some unprotected shots to the head. The stroke didnt happen until almost 3 years later. |
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 20, 2019 7:21:50 GMT -5
took a powerbomb off Sid after the concussion too....that must've made things 100 times worse. Not because it was Sid...but because of the nature of that f*ckin impact...
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jun 8, 2019 20:36:02 GMT -5
Just had to bump this thread after his match at SSD. Matt Ridle also agrees according to his tweet, "I love Pro Wrestling so much and that’s why I get mad at certain people because they’re unsafe, dangerous and a liability to everyone else...". Goldberg should never have been allowed anywhere near a wrestling ring, he's an idiot.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 9, 2019 2:09:46 GMT -5
Matt Riddle is an idiot.
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