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Post by mrassbillygunn on Mar 14, 2019 18:12:50 GMT -5
Ive a hard time not hating this prick. I know accidents happen in the ring but I still havent forgiven him for Brets concussion. The reason I have a hard time forgiving him is because Bret warned him before hand because he seen how much of a hot head he was in the ring and yet not only does he go out and injure Bret anyway but ends his career. Yet this guy gets welcomed back with open arms during his last run and gets a warm welcome at the HOF. I dont know, but Ive a hard time accepting that. He robbed us of some potentially great matches, one that always sticks in my mind which i would have loved to have seen was Bret vs Kurt Angle, amongst others.
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Post by Thought Collector on Mar 14, 2019 18:36:03 GMT -5
I still think of what happened in that match and what we might have had still had with Bret and it does eat at me. Especially since Bret was always one of my top favorites. But to me even though an accident like that could happen anywhere, it was mainly Bret's decision to jump to WCW that caused it. It was such a waste and dark spot of his career to me and ended up costing it.
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 14, 2019 18:36:15 GMT -5
Would've been nice if Hart never went to WCW at all.
I don't think you can hold something over someone's head for years on end though. Especially for an accident, even if it was foretold. Goldberg asked Bret for forgiveness later. Bret obliged. What's done is done, as they say.
It's not like he Invader 1'd him.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 14, 2019 18:39:08 GMT -5
We still wouldn't have gotten Bret vs Kurt, even if Bret didnt have to retire. He wanted no part of the WWE, and had no intentions to go back.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 14, 2019 18:39:57 GMT -5
I still think of what happened in that match and what we might have had still had with Bret and it does eat at me. Especially since Bret was always one of my top favorites. But to me even though an accident like that could happen anywhere, it was mainly Bret's decision to jump to WCW that caused it. It was such a waste and dark spot of his career to me and ended up costing it. He really had no choice to but to leave the WWE. Vince was trying to screw him out of money. |
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 14, 2019 19:40:37 GMT -5
I still think of what happened in that match and what we might have had still had with Bret and it does eat at me. Especially since Bret was always one of my top favorites. But to me even though an accident like that could happen anywhere, it was mainly Bret's decision to jump to WCW that caused it. It was such a waste and dark spot of his career to me and ended up costing it. He really had no choice to but to leave the WWE. Vince was trying to screw him out of money. McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 14, 2019 19:50:12 GMT -5
He really had no choice to but to leave the WWE. Vince was trying to screw him out of money. McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. |
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Mar 14, 2019 19:52:48 GMT -5
McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. Vince never had contracts back then i dont think, wasnt it just a guarantee/handshake? |
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 14, 2019 20:08:29 GMT -5
McMahon couldn't pay him what WCW was offering. Vince let him walk, encouraged him even, knowing WCW wouldn't know how to use him. He was right. Bret got $2.3M a year as opposed to guys like HBK and Taker who were only getting $750K a year.
Bret definitely had a choice, and he chose the money. Can't blame him, but also hard to feel sorry for him. Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. Right. Business was down. He couldn't afford what he promised. A 20-year deal. Was no longer practical.
He did offer Bret something, but it was nothing compared to WCW, so he encouraged Bret to chase the money.
Bret could've chosen to stay at a pay cut. Wasn't in his best interest though.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 14, 2019 20:12:32 GMT -5
Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. Vince never had contracts back then i dont think, wasnt it just a guarantee/handshake? It was an actual contract as far as I know. He talked about taking it to his lawyer and then faxing it to Vince. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 14, 2019 20:13:22 GMT -5
Bret and Vince signed a contract in 1996. Later on in 97, Vince told him he was going to void the contract because he couldn't afford what he promised. Right. Business was down. He couldn't afford what he promised. A 20-year deal. Was no longer practical.
He did offer Bret something, but it was nothing compared to WCW, so he encouraged Bret to chase the money.
Bret could've chosen to stay at a pay cut. Wasn't in his best interest though.
He signed a legally binding contract. Bret could have sued him, but chose not to. |
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Post by k5 on Mar 14, 2019 20:23:34 GMT -5
I more blame wcw management for letting a guy who was far too sloppy in the ring in there because they saw money potential in him.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 14, 2019 20:25:35 GMT -5
Bret, in his own book, doesn’t blame Goldberg and even takes the blame himself for continuing to wrestle with a concussion post Starrcade.
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 14, 2019 20:46:18 GMT -5
Right. Business was down. He couldn't afford what he promised. A 20-year deal. Was no longer practical.
He did offer Bret something, but it was nothing compared to WCW, so he encouraged Bret to chase the money.
Bret could've chosen to stay at a pay cut. Wasn't in his best interest though.
He signed a legally binding contract. Bret could have sued him, but chose not to. He should've sued them.
Probably didn't because Vince made him a star to begin with and it would've bankrupted the WWF. Vince didn't have the money to pay him what he promised. Sometimes that happens.
He promised Hart backend guarantees later on down the road, when they'd be up. Plus a suitable contract. Not 20 years worth, but something.
Hart was already the highest paid star on the roster at the time. He wasn't being nickel and dimed. And he knew business was down.
He took his $9M from Turner in the end, an almost impossible deal to turn down. Again, no one can blame him for that, but you can't really feel bad for the guy either. He got to work less dates for more guaranteed money. If he was "forced" into that situation, it's a good one to be forced into.
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Post by China Claus on Mar 14, 2019 21:05:55 GMT -5
I've always heard HBK and Taker were being shopped by WCW. Not to go off topic, but if Hart got a $9 million deal, does anyone know how much Shawn and Undertaker were offered by Turner?
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 14, 2019 21:10:20 GMT -5
I've always heard HBK and Taker were being shopped by WCW. Not to go off topic, but if Hart got a $9 million deal, does anyone know how much Shawn and Undertaker were offered by Turner? Not sure about Undertaker, but Shawn was locked into a 5 year deal he signed after Mania 12.
Rumor and innuendo state he wanted out in later 96 to be with his friends, but Vince would've enforced his non-compete clause and had HBK sit out for 4 years anyway.
Turner wouldn't have gotten much with Shawn during that time.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Mar 15, 2019 8:56:02 GMT -5
hard to blame omn an acident, but i still feel kinda ill toward golberg and owen for injuring bret & austin. the f up by owen was much worse IMO. thats a move you really gotta be careful doing!
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 15, 2019 13:24:35 GMT -5
Ya see Goldberg did do damage...no doubt but it wasn't the kick that canned Bret. It was his continuing activity with that concussion that retired him....He had a hardcore match with Funk......where he took SEVERAL unprotected blows to the head.
If he had went to the docs the next day he likely would have been ok. But lots of folks seem to think he would have ended up back in WWE around 2002/03. I personally don't get where this theory comes from because there's no way that happens IMHO.
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Post by k5 on Mar 15, 2019 16:03:21 GMT -5
Ya see Goldberg did do damage...no doubt but it wasn't the kick that canned Bret. It was his continuing activity with that concussion that retired him....He had a hardcore match with Funk......where he took SEVERAL unprotected blows to the head. If he had went to the docs the next day he likely would have been ok. But lots of folks seem to think he would have ended up back in WWE around 2002/03. I personally don't get where this theory comes from because there's no way that happens IMHO. there was also a bicycle accident that led to his stroke where he fell and went headfirst. the concussions beforehand most likely were involved with the stroke’s severity but it was the fall itself that really incapacitated him. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 15, 2019 17:49:16 GMT -5
Definitely not Goldberg's fault.
This is all on Bret, and Bret pretty much owns up to that.
In a way, I don't blame Bret. He was finally WCW Champion, he was involved as the main event guy, he was in a hot angle restarting the NWO as the leader of the group, it was probably really hard for Bret to say, "yeah... I need to take time off from all this to rest my head for a few days."
At that time, nobody knew of how badly concussions could play into things. Wrestling - even sports - were a different type of deal back then. Thank goodness things have changed in regards of head trauma and injuries now.
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