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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Apr 8, 2019 7:16:22 GMT -5
WWE missed a golden opportunity to give Kofi a nice long feud through Summerslam while also elevating another New Dad Member. Should have had Big E drop Kofi last night and turn heel. Could have torn it up through the summer and main evented Summerslam. That way the rest of the roster stays fresh to Kofi for the Survivor Series - Wrestlemania build. Also elevates Big E. Can all still happen, have woods or E win the briefcase at MITB and then you got some tensionssssss baaaaaybeeeeee
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 8, 2019 8:08:56 GMT -5
Had he not had that botch on Orton a few years ago, I feel like he'd have been a main eventer. Your logic is wrong.
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Post by Gorilla on Apr 8, 2019 8:49:30 GMT -5
I guess Koko B Ware should have been champion for sticking around for so long, he earned it.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 8, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -5
As I've said before... Whether you like Kofi or not shouldn't matter. What matters is that Kofi got hot, and the company ran with it. They didn't force him to change his gimmick. They didn't have him losing to Aiden English in 30 seconds. They saw Kofi's star rise, and they actually utilized it. And that is something they are usually too late on doing. internet: DAMNIT GIVE ME EXACTLY WHAT I WANT wwe, finally: Okay, here you go. internet: GIVE ME EXACTLY WHAT I WANT BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY That's EXACTLY right.
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Post by TheLastDude on Apr 8, 2019 14:38:19 GMT -5
To be fair The Rock is half black, and also for many many years he despised his father so represented Samoans. I mean, he was in the militant black Nation of Domination group and Rocky Johnson appeared alongside him early on in his WWF career. Crush and PG-13 were in the Nation too... It's not that we don't know that Rock is half black, but everyone has spent so much time making sure to rep him as Samoan that, hell, he's Samoan. They got what they wanted. The bottom line is that it took 56 years to get a fully black WWE champion, and an African born one at that. It's an awesome story, it happened organically, the guy is a good worker, he seems like a genuinely good person, and he's more than paid his dues. He's the champ we need. I'm thrilled for him.
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Post by weaseltv on Apr 8, 2019 19:05:31 GMT -5
Singles titles break up teams. It pretty much always does. So here's what I want to happen now... The New Day enters the ring for Kofi's WWE Title celebration! and celebrate and each gives a little speech. As Kofi is talking, some music hits. out comes Bray Wyatt in a white suit. later we learn his new gimmick is "The Preacher" Bray Wyatt, which is a cross between his own character and Brother Love. Bray congratulates Kofi for his win and warns him of upcoming disasters that await him as champion. At that point Big E attacks both Kofi and Xavier Woods. later we learn that Big E in now names "The Minister" if you want to put it over the edge further, we learn their new manager is D-Von. They would all talk each week like they are preaching to the audience.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 8, 2019 21:00:56 GMT -5
I would agree. In terms of wrestling storytelling this story leaves a lot to be desired. I don't mind Kofi being a top guy, but I do mind him being Jinder'd. I don't like people using examples of bad things that have already happened to justify it. Kofi could easily be a flash in the pan and I would have liked to see him vs Bryan gain some more traction and story beats. They didn't start doing any good storytelling to me until the contract signing. They had some interesting stuff come out in that segment that they didn't explore further (yet). The worst so far is the use of Vince and the gauntlets. Let's be honest here, Kofi has not been held down for 11 years. Kofi also isn't stunning his boss and flipping off the crowd. I see no reason as to why Vince would be so against Kofi in a kayfabe sense, especially when Bryan is a far cry from a corporate champ. I could see him having Kofi prove it, but not deliberately with him to take it away. It's a paint-by-numbers story that doesn't really fit the players involved. But alas, stories in wrestling are rapidly becoming a thing of the past in favor of cheap pops and "moments". It's rendering it more of a low-brow form of entertainment that the general public often sees wrestling as.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 8, 2019 21:02:01 GMT -5
People legit cried after he won the title. People need to chillax.
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 8, 2019 21:04:13 GMT -5
I guess Koko B Ware should have been champion for sticking around for so long, he earned it. That is such an awful comparison
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Post by Gorilla on Apr 8, 2019 21:32:45 GMT -5
I guess Koko B Ware should have been champion for sticking around for so long, he earned it. That is such an awful comparison Same size, same skill level
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Post by BSR on Apr 8, 2019 21:35:07 GMT -5
Nah. It doesn't break logic. Jinder Mahal folks.
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Post by berealnicknaro on Apr 8, 2019 22:38:45 GMT -5
I don’t know the age range of people who are upset by this, but a lot of the criticisms about whether or not Kofi can be taken seriously as champ sound a lot like what people said about Triple H when he first stepped up to the main event scene.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 8, 2019 22:48:02 GMT -5
I don’t know the age range of people who are upset by this, but a lot of the criticisms about whether or not Kofi can be taken seriously as champ sound a lot like what people said about Triple H when he first stepped up to the main event scene. Triple H had a heel turn. Got more serious. He changed it up and had a few months to find his footing. I don't think Kofi can't be a top guy. I think it's pretty weak that it's happened this fast. And that's all assuming you think Triple H has been an effective top guy.
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Post by berealnicknaro on Apr 8, 2019 23:06:36 GMT -5
I don’t know the age range of people who are upset by this, but a lot of the criticisms about whether or not Kofi can be taken seriously as champ sound a lot like what people said about Triple H when he first stepped up to the main event scene. Triple H had a heel turn. Got more serious. He changed it up and had a few months to find his footing. I don't think Kofi can't be a top guy. I think it's pretty weak that it's happened this fast. And that's all assuming you think Triple H has been an effective top guy. I’m saying, people thought Hunter leaving DX was stupid and he shouldn’t have been in the main event while it was happening. It’s easy to look back now and see how it worked out. He definitely WAS an effective top guy during that time. Also, Kofi’s been around for 13ish years. It’s not fast. It’s honestly refreshing that they were able to run with a guy who’s currently hot and deserves it. But hey, not everyone has to be jazzed about every champion every time.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 8, 2019 23:12:01 GMT -5
Triple H had a heel turn. Got more serious. He changed it up and had a few months to find his footing. I don't think Kofi can't be a top guy. I think it's pretty weak that it's happened this fast. And that's all assuming you think Triple H has been an effective top guy. I’m saying, people thought Hunter leaving DX was stupid and he shouldn’t have been in the main event while it was happening. It’s easy to look back now and see how it worked out. He definitely WAS an effective top guy during that time. Also, Kofi’s been around for 13ish years. It’s not fast. It’s honestly refreshing that they were able to run with a guy who’s currently hot and deserves it. But hey, not everyone has to be jazzed about every champion every time. I'd still argue that it is fast, as he wasn't in the midst of a push for 13 years. Would have much rathered him be built to the top level while chasing Bryan for a few months. Maybe do the switch at SummerSlam. "It's WrestleMania" isn't a good enough excuse to rush it to me. The difference between your Triple H and Kofi parallel is that Kofi already has the belt. There was no period of adjustment and the build was incredibly quick. If Triple H broke away from DX, joined the corporation, went for the belt and won it within a period of 1.5 months, I think we'd be questioning how that stuck today.
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Post by berealnicknaro on Apr 9, 2019 0:07:32 GMT -5
I’m saying, people thought Hunter leaving DX was stupid and he shouldn’t have been in the main event while it was happening. It’s easy to look back now and see how it worked out. He definitely WAS an effective top guy during that time. Also, Kofi’s been around for 13ish years. It’s not fast. It’s honestly refreshing that they were able to run with a guy who’s currently hot and deserves it. But hey, not everyone has to be jazzed about every champion every time. I'd still argue that it is fast, as he wasn't in the midst of a push for 13 years. Would have much rathered him be built to the top level while chasing Bryan for a few months. Maybe do the switch at SummerSlam. "It's WrestleMania" isn't a good enough excuse to rush it to me. The difference between your Triple H and Kofi parallel is that Kofi already has the belt. There was no period of adjustment and the build was incredibly quick. If Triple H broke away from DX, joined the corporation, went for the belt and won it within a period of 1.5 months, I think we'd be questioning how that stuck today. The only comparison I’m really making is how people felt about it. They didn’t like the heel turn, and they didn’t think he deserved the push. It wasn’t until well after he’d had the belt the first time that people started to take him seriously. Probably not until Rumble 00’ with Foley. I don’t think Kofi has anything to prove, personally, but if he keeps up the quality of the Mania match and even what we saw on Raw, it’s going to be hard to deny he’s earned it.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 9, 2019 2:45:52 GMT -5
I guess Koko B Ware should have been champion for sticking around for so long, he earned it. That's a false equivalency. Koko never, ever got the kind of reaction that Kofi has gotten in 2019.
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Post by Gorilla on Apr 9, 2019 5:32:51 GMT -5
I guess Koko B Ware should have been champion for sticking around for so long, he earned it. That's a false equivalency. Koko never, ever got the kind of reaction that Kofi has gotten in 2019. Kofi is getting that push because the WWE created the story line and the crowd responded. If Koko was given a gauntlet on Saturday Night's Main Event and "beaten" say Greg Valentine, Hercules, Honky, Dino Bravo & Rick Rude, the crowd would respond the same way. However, it would have looked completely unrealistic.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 9, 2019 5:44:33 GMT -5
I'd still argue that it is fast, as he wasn't in the midst of a push for 13 years. Would have much rathered him be built to the top level while chasing Bryan for a few months. Maybe do the switch at SummerSlam. "It's WrestleMania" isn't a good enough excuse to rush it to me. The difference between your Triple H and Kofi parallel is that Kofi already has the belt. There was no period of adjustment and the build was incredibly quick. If Triple H broke away from DX, joined the corporation, went for the belt and won it within a period of 1.5 months, I think we'd be questioning how that stuck today. The only comparison I’m really making is how people felt about it. They didn’t like the heel turn, and they didn’t think he deserved the push. It wasn’t until well after he’d had the belt the first time that people started to take him seriously. Probably not until Rumble 00’ with Foley. I don’t think Kofi has anything to prove, personally, but if he keeps up the quality of the Mania match and even what we saw on Raw, it’s going to be hard to deny he’s earned it. A fair point. Only time will tell.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 9, 2019 10:20:13 GMT -5
It was so very dumb from the get go and I should have locked it much sooner. That's on me.
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