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Post by mrperfect88 on Feb 28, 2023 6:20:51 GMT -5
Re-carded a few more Retros plus a ZST tonight: Hart Foundation looks so much better w/changed out glasses on Bret and 90/91 card photo. And this is exactly, how I would want the Mattel packaging to look like (minus the WWF Logo of course) I wonder, why they went with such a lame carding |
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Post by glassoni0n on Feb 28, 2023 14:36:29 GMT -5
I wish Mattel did a better job emulating the Hasbros. They just look so much cheaper than the 30 year old figures they are paying homage to. What's interesting to me is that no company, Mattel or any of the 3rd parties, seem to be able to replicate the exact weight and feel of that early 1990s Hasbro plastic. I have no idea if it's something they can't do or if it's something they simply don't do for either environmental or cost cutting reasons, but the closest any of the companies have gotten to "that feel" for me is the jacket on R&B Greg. Don't disagree with you in any way, but I think it's important to keep in mind that when Hasbro was making figures that was the main line of figures. The reason so many figures got body-specific molds is because that was the figure if that makes sense. Mattel puts that level of effort and detailing, adjusted for tech, in 2023 into the Elite line. I'm sure Mattel could get a lot closer to the overall vibe of Hasbro both in detailing and specificity at a higher price point, which given that it's now almost exclusively a collectors line they could do. I understand though why they wanted to stay faithful to the price point and (to a lesser degree) volume by re-using/over-using the same molds. I think we're seeing a more detailed transition with figures like Greg, Tugboat, nWo Hulk and Lawler, but I'm kinda happy it's a gradual change. It would kinda make the rest of the already well-developed line look like junk if they completely about-faced the quality overnight. |
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 28, 2023 14:54:46 GMT -5
I wish Mattel did a better job emulating the Hasbros. They just look so much cheaper than the 30 year old figures they are paying homage to. What's interesting to me is that no company, Mattel or any of the 3rd parties, seem to be able to replicate the exact weight and feel of that early 1990s Hasbro plastic. I have no idea if it's something they can't do or if it's something they simply don't do for either environmental or cost cutting reasons, but the closest any of the companies have gotten to "that feel" for me is the jacket on R&B Greg. Don't disagree with you in any way, but I think it's important to keep in mind that when Hasbro was making figures that was the main line of figures. The reason so many figures got body-specific molds is because that was the figure if that makes sense. Mattel puts that level of effort and detailing, adjusted for tech, in 2023 into the Elite line. I'm sure Mattel could get a lot closer to the overall vibe of Hasbro both in detailing and specificity at a higher price point, which given that it's now almost exclusively a collectors line they could do. I understand though why they wanted to stay faithful to the price point and (to a lesser degree) volume by re-using/over-using the same molds. I think we're seeing a more detailed transition with figures like Greg, Tugboat, nWo Hulk and Lawler, but I'm kinda happy it's a gradual change. It would kinda make the rest of the already well-developed line look like junk if they completely about-faced the quality overnight. Good points 👍 I think there’s probably also a gentleman’s agreement they won’t wholesale rip off others figures directly - only be inspired by them |
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Post by RedDevil on Mar 3, 2023 10:13:59 GMT -5
Mattel will know now directly how many Retros collectors there are so should have a decent base to estimate the amount of support such a project could generate. They could reasonably estimate that our customer base might have higher budgets but they’d still need to game how much of the existing $60 customer base they could expect to respond to say a $300 price point. And then whatever lessons they’ve learned from the Ultimate line crowd-funder, it would be interesting to know the internal discussions at Mattel about such a thing. But to me the most important thing would be that any figures they included such have the traditional carding, like the Ultimate figures did. Though I guess there’s the opportunity to put them in plastic bags in homage to the mailaways? I have a hard time seeing how they could justify a price tag reminiscent of the New Gen Arena for a retro project. The retro ring retailed for about $20, if you add a figure or two, ideally some kind of electronics, I can see it getting into the $100 range, but they'd have to give me the entire Manhattan Center to justify $200-300. I do agree though that the way to really make this a coveted item would be to include one or two of those iconic non-wrestlers. Bobby Heenan, Brother Love, Howard Finkel all mentioned would be incredible, as would a Monsoon, could we possibly ever get a Vince? I agree that I'd rather they be carded figures, but I could easily see them paying homage to the mailaways. I think from what I remember from the interviews and promotion around the New Gen crowdfunder that Mattel spoke about not going down the fundraiser route for a product that they could just sell for somewhere around $150-200 range, so if they were to do a Retros crowdfund then I think it would have to start at $250 absolute minimum, otherwise they'd just do a playset set or bigger bundle or something for sale on the website. Given that the bundles of four are $60, then if they included four figures then we'd be looking at adding another $190 of value to the package to hit that minimum. The ring could be what, $40? How much was the last one? That leaves $150 to shrink the archway given the tech already exists and make the blue bars cage? Would that satisfy $250 if the figures were say Vince in the powder blue jacket, Howard Finkel, Heenan and Monsoon (with a commentary table)? That might work. I love the suggestion of the Manhattan Centre - that could be amazing and very exciting, though I'm guessing they would need to get permission or the rights from them to use the look of it as it is quite distinct. Maybe a PPV set concentrating on the WWF set rather than an actual arena might work - the first one I thought of would be the WrestleMania IX Roman theme, though the figures might not be the best - Macho in his gear sure, but then we're looking at Bobby Heenan and Howard Finkel in togas when people are looking for them in their regular gear, and Jim Ross obviously isn't available. From the event itself then Bret in the brighter pink, HBK in the gear that was released as an Elite a year or two ago - did anyone else wear anything interesting? Another way might be just to go for a full figures package - like offer 16 or 20 figures in a crowdfund that otherwise wouldn't be made. That might need to be a Royal Rumble match or something but then you'd run into problems with the amount of legends Mattel aren't allowed to touch. If they weren't doing the nWo already then maybe they could've done an nWo crowdfund, with the main guys plus a Bischoff, Wolfpac Macho, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude and anyone else they have available, but again they'd run into problems with the missing gaps. |
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Post by glassoni0n on Mar 3, 2023 10:31:48 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing how they could justify a price tag reminiscent of the New Gen Arena for a retro project. The retro ring retailed for about $20, if you add a figure or two, ideally some kind of electronics, I can see it getting into the $100 range, but they'd have to give me the entire Manhattan Center to justify $200-300. I do agree though that the way to really make this a coveted item would be to include one or two of those iconic non-wrestlers. Bobby Heenan, Brother Love, Howard Finkel all mentioned would be incredible, as would a Monsoon, could we possibly ever get a Vince? I agree that I'd rather they be carded figures, but I could easily see them paying homage to the mailaways. Given that the bundles of four are $60, then if they included four figures then we'd be looking at adding another $190 of value to the package to hit that minimum. The ring could be what, $40? How much was the last one? That leaves $150 to shrink the archway given the tech already exists and make the blue bars cage? Would that satisfy $250 if the figures were say Vince in the powder blue jacket, Howard Finkel, Heenan and Monsoon (with a commentary table)? That might work. I love the suggestion of the Manhattan Centre - that could be amazing and very exciting, though I'm guessing they would need to get permission or the rights from them to use the look of it as it is quite distinct. Maybe a PPV set concentrating on the WWF set rather than an actual arena might work - the first one I thought of would be the WrestleMania IX Roman theme, though the figures might not be the best - Macho in his gear sure, but then we're looking at Bobby Heenan and Howard Finkel in togas when people are looking for them in their regular gear, and Jim Ross obviously isn't available. From the event itself then Bret in the brighter pink, HBK in the gear that was released as an Elite a year or two ago - did anyone else wear anything interesting? Another way might be just to go for a full figures package - like offer 16 or 20 figures in a crowdfund that otherwise wouldn't be made. That might need to be a Royal Rumble match or something but then you'd run into problems with the amount of legends Mattel aren't allowed to touch. If they weren't doing the nWo already then maybe they could've done an nWo crowdfund, with the main guys plus a Bischoff, Wolfpac Macho, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude and anyone else they have available, but again they'd run into problems with the missing gaps. Good points there, I hadn't heard that but that would totally make sense. I would be willing to pay a reasonable premium for a really cool product. I'm not a main-line collector, I collect retros, superstars and Macho Man elites/ultimates, so getting something like this would really appeal to me and I'm willing to take the plunge if it comes along. I just don't want it to fail because people argue it's too expensive for the line, the original retro ring retailed for $20, say a bundle of four figures is $60, that's $170 in extra things that would need to push to $250. For me the exciting/novel aspect of getting a retro project would make up some of the value, but I understand why it wouldn't for some if not most. You make some great suggestions in terms of figures that should be made, though absolutely 100% getting toga Heenan and Finkel without their standard looks wouldn't be a good move in the long run. Some other desired figs that could fit a WM9 set: Mega Maniacs Brutus, long tights Hogan, Paul Bearer, Bob Backlund. Pipe dream figures would be Sensational Sherri and Mr. Fuji |
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Post by mrh on Mar 9, 2023 3:12:25 GMT -5
For anyone interested, some more Series 2 have been added to the Mattel Creations site
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Post by crush on Mar 9, 2023 12:50:03 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing how they could justify a price tag reminiscent of the New Gen Arena for a retro project. The retro ring retailed for about $20, if you add a figure or two, ideally some kind of electronics, I can see it getting into the $100 range, but they'd have to give me the entire Manhattan Center to justify $200-300. I do agree though that the way to really make this a coveted item would be to include one or two of those iconic non-wrestlers. Bobby Heenan, Brother Love, Howard Finkel all mentioned would be incredible, as would a Monsoon, could we possibly ever get a Vince? I agree that I'd rather they be carded figures, but I could easily see them paying homage to the mailaways. I think from what I remember from the interviews and promotion around the New Gen crowdfunder that Mattel spoke about not going down the fundraiser route for a product that they could just sell for somewhere around $150-200 range, so if they were to do a Retros crowdfund then I think it would have to start at $250 absolute minimum, otherwise they'd just do a playset set or bigger bundle or something for sale on the website. Given that the bundles of four are $60, then if they included four figures then we'd be looking at adding another $190 of value to the package to hit that minimum. The ring could be what, $40? How much was the last one? That leaves $150 to shrink the archway given the tech already exists and make the blue bars cage? Would that satisfy $250 if the figures were say Vince in the powder blue jacket, Howard Finkel, Heenan and Monsoon (with a commentary table)? That might work. I love the suggestion of the Manhattan Centre - that could be amazing and very exciting, though I'm guessing they would need to get permission or the rights from them to use the look of it as it is quite distinct. Maybe a PPV set concentrating on the WWF set rather than an actual arena might work - the first one I thought of would be the WrestleMania IX Roman theme, though the figures might not be the best - Macho in his gear sure, but then we're looking at Bobby Heenan and Howard Finkel in togas when people are looking for them in their regular gear, and Jim Ross obviously isn't available. From the event itself then Bret in the brighter pink, HBK in the gear that was released as an Elite a year or two ago - did anyone else wear anything interesting? Another way might be just to go for a full figures package - like offer 16 or 20 figures in a crowdfund that otherwise wouldn't be made. That might need to be a Royal Rumble match or something but then you'd run into problems with the amount of legends Mattel aren't allowed to touch. If they weren't doing the nWo already then maybe they could've done an nWo crowdfund, with the main guys plus a Bischoff, Wolfpac Macho, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude and anyone else they have available, but again they'd run into problems with the missing gaps. MegaManiacs Beefcake and the Steiners. The former very much fits into the planned but unreleased category like USA Lex, Tugboat, and R&B Greg that Mattel has been hitting, and the latter are such a big signing I feel like they'll be squeezing them into every form factor. That said, I can't see the crowdfund being for anything besides the Ultimate range. |
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Post by basti on Mar 11, 2023 2:56:43 GMT -5
I would be very happy if Wave 3 includes more gimmix that dont already have a retro figure.
Lawler is a good Start.
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Post by brad on Mar 16, 2023 17:24:44 GMT -5
I just realized the likelihood of a 1-2-3 kid to go with Lawler is a likely part of a 93 set. Two more weeks!
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Mar 16, 2023 18:02:20 GMT -5
I think Mattel trying to ‘re-do’ existing Hasbros would be a bad move. These are a supplement and nod too, not a replacement. I wish they were closer to Hasbros to extend and fill in gaps but they don’t look anything like them really.
I’d Rather them do figures of talent we didn’t get back in the day but if they were going to do a kid, a lightning version maybe - would be interesting if they did a new ‘slimmer’ body, his NWO one is too big for his size at the time.
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Post by hulkjoegan on Mar 17, 2023 2:01:34 GMT -5
I don’t think anybody really wants a 123 Kid with the existing jumper mold.
But a slimmer body with the Ambrose action would be great for mimicking that moonsault to Razor.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 17, 2023 2:39:33 GMT -5
I think Mattel trying to ‘re-do’ existing Hasbros would be a bad move. These are a supplement and nod too, not a replacement. I wish they were closer to Hasbros to extend and fill in gaps but they don’t look anything like them really. I’d Rather them do figures of talent we didn’t get back in the day but if they were going to do a kid, a lightning version maybe - would be interesting if they did a new ‘slimmer’ body, his NWO one is too big for his size at the time. I agree that they should focus on getting guys in the line that didn't get a figure from Hasbro, but that may not be 100% feasible, they're going to have to add the big name guys that already got figures. Especially since these don't blend-in seamlessly with the old Hasbro's, getting guys like Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Taker, Bret, HBK, Razor, Piper, Jake, Bulldog, Lex, etc, would only help the line. I wouldn't mind another 123 kid, just not in the same attire as his Hasbro figure. He had a few looks from 1994-96 that would be good. Any of these could work:     |
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Post by hbkjason on Mar 17, 2023 7:55:29 GMT -5
I would be all up for a 123 Kid, but coming so soon after Syxx would be a bit of a bummer.
We need long tights 90-91 Macho King Randy Savage! Quit screwing around and make it happen Mattel 😊
I say it all the time, but how have they done two Retro Savages and neither one represents this era!
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Post by glassoni0n on Mar 17, 2023 8:09:46 GMT -5
I would be all up for a 123 Kid, but coming so soon after Syxx would be a bit of a bummer. We need long tights 90-91 Macho King Randy Savage! Quit screwing around and make it happen Mattel 😊 I say it all the time, but how have they done two Retro Savages and neither one represents this era! Agreed on Kid, it's the same way I feel about re-doing Bret. I want it, but let's wait a few waves and get some people we haven't gotten or haven't gotten in a while. Tights Macho King definitely needs to be done, though I get why they chose the figures they did. Series 5 Macho is still my favorite retro and I like that we got NWO Macho to go with the Series 2 Attitude Era retros. Then of all the unreleased Macho retros, the green trunks Macho is the most iconic. I believe the series 9 figure also took the place of what was supposed to be Cesaro, so it's very possible it was a quick decision. "Who sells?" Macho Man "What Macho Man retro figure do people want?" I'd guess that's how we got the green trunks first. |
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Post by biggerbetterbadder on Mar 17, 2023 8:17:51 GMT -5
With Jerry Lawler in the next set, I’m guessing Mattel will make guys from that 90s era. I think it would be awesome to get an Isaac Yankem.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 17, 2023 16:25:20 GMT -5
I would be all up for a 123 Kid, but coming so soon after Syxx would be a bit of a bummer. We need long tights 90-91 Macho King Randy Savage! Quit screwing around and make it happen Mattel 😊
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Post by cambo5678 on Mar 17, 2023 21:30:54 GMT -5
With Jerry Lawler in the next set, I’m guessing Mattel will make guys from that 90s era. I think it would be awesome to get an Isaac Yankem. More mid '90's new Gen guys would be a nice fit. My first choice would be a Royal themed set. Lawler, '90-'91 long tights Macho King, Sensational Sherri (first female retro Hasbro), then maybe a King Harley Race. |
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Post by glassoni0n on Mar 18, 2023 8:24:20 GMT -5
With Jerry Lawler in the next set, I’m guessing Mattel will make guys from that 90s era. I think it would be awesome to get an Isaac Yankem. More mid '90's new Gen guys would be a nice fit. My first choice would be a Royal themed set. Lawler, '90-'91 long tights Macho King, Sensational Sherri (first female retro Hasbro), then maybe a King Harley Race. It's beautiful. I've wanted women in the line for so long and Sensational QUEEN Sherri is 1 or 1A. Getting Harley Race while he's available seems like a must too. Maybe a WM3 Harley Race to go with Series 10 JYD? I'd be all in on that set. |
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Post by brad on Mar 19, 2023 7:29:41 GMT -5
A royal themed wave is the only excuse we don’t see Heenan at Axxess.
Lawler, Harley, Queen Sherri, and long tights Macho King would be a DREAM set for me. Still need Heenan asap.
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Post by TheWholeFnShow on Mar 19, 2023 8:37:12 GMT -5
Did a head swap with the basic Sami. I've done tone of head swaps with these, this one is the first that didn't fit as well. I still fits, it's just the peg hole was a little more shallow. The head stays on though, so I'm ok with that.  |
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