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Post by JTG on Apr 29, 2019 10:06:49 GMT -5
Saw Endgame yesterday and damn what an emotional rollercoaster. For me personally it was a fantastic way to tie up the core members initial story arches. It was immensely satisfying and a 9/10 for me. Below are my key takeaways:
- Tony's final line being the same way he ended Iron Man 1 was brilliant and his funeral was absolutely beautiful. The MCU is the house that RDJ built.
- Black Widow was a genuine shock and I was so hoping it would be Hawkeye that made the sacrifice. However I get that it makes more sense for it to be Black Widow. I'm very interested to see what direction they take the Black Widow movie in.
- Fat-Thor was hilarious and a scene stealer. I was impressed they committed to having him like that for basically the entire movie and I'm very curious to see if Guardians Vol. 3 is also a Thor team up.
- Professor Hulk was also hilarious and a fresh take on the character. It brought Hulk's/Banner's arch full circle in the sense that he's finally accepted that this is who he is. Looking forward to seeing which movies he'll pop up in next.
- Hawkeye gets a happy ending with his family. Part of me is hoping he's done in the movies just to give Endgame more finality with the original team, but maybe at some point he'll be called upon to suit up again.
- Captain America finally getting to live a full and happy life with Peggy was also beautiful. The makeup/CGI used to age Chris Evans was phenomenal. I loved Steve passing the torch to Sam in a really touching moment. As others have mentioned, if need be down the line they can always seek his help from the past now that time travel is a thing in the MCU.
- Thanos went out swinging and is by far the best villain in the MCU to date. There's a high bar set for whomever the next big bad is. I think Galactus makes the most sense, but would also be happy with Doctor Doom as a Loki-esque villain to help set that battle up like they did in the first Avengers film.
- I know there's a lot you can nitpick in this movie, but the only thing that I'm genuinely curious about is how this timeline works for the returning heroes that were dusted in Infinity War. It's been five years of lost time, and they clearly showed that we're still in that timeline given that Ant-Man's daughter is a teenager and Tony's daughter still exists. However, they showed Peter going back to high school and seeing Ned...so why is Ned still in high school? Were all of Spider-Man's friends dusted as well? I'm hoping they answer some of these question in Spider-Man Far From Home because that was my only real hangup on the time travel stuff.
- Lastly, I think there will be time abrasions from the Avengers time travelling that will cause rifts in the MCU. Loki escaping with the tesseract in a different timeline being one. I guess that's also one way we can get a Loki series on Disney+.
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Post by Angel Beast on Apr 29, 2019 10:09:59 GMT -5
Not trying to go super duper in depth with all changes from time travel and ripple effects but If 2014 Thanos is dusted in current day(?) Endgame, doesn’t that mean - The Nova’s are still alive and their planet never got attacked (for the stone) - The Collector still has the stone or stones he had - current Gamora should be alive because Thanos would have never been alive to take her to Vormir - The Asgaurdians would still be alive because Thanos and the Black Order never would have been able to attack them right? - Vision would still be around Not trying to be a physics nerd or time travel guru, but wouldn’t that apply? If 2014 Thanos and his crew dies, then that would nullify everything to come afterwards wouldn’t it? - Hated Capt America being able to use Thor’s weapons - Hated how Tony went out, not that he did - didn’t like how they did with Steve just going back and staying in the past instead of going out on the battle field. - the first hour dragged on and on and on When Cap went back in time to the moment the stones were taken it reset everything back to its normal path. The whole point of Mjolnir is who ever it deems worthy can wield it. In that moment Cap was deemed worthy because he need it. In Age of Ultron he only budged it because he didn’t need it. As for him wielding Stormbreaker there’s no restriction on who can wield. The way Tony went out was perfect and it harkened back to what Steve had criticized about him in the first Avengers about him not being one to make the big sacrifice to save others. While I would have preferred Steve stepping into a Nick Fury role and guiding the team along. Him getting to go back and live the life he wanted was a nice ending for him. Not once did it feel like the movie dragged but like the rest it’s all opinion based.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 29, 2019 10:13:26 GMT -5
Not trying to go super duper in depth with all changes from time travel and ripple effects but If 2014 Thanos is dusted in current day(?) Endgame, doesn’t that mean - The Nova’s are still alive and their planet never got attacked (for the stone) - The Collector still has the stone or stones he had - current Gamora should be alive because Thanos would have never been alive to take her to Vormir - The Asgaurdians would still be alive because Thanos and the Black Order never would have been able to attack them right? - Vision would still be around Not trying to be a physics nerd or time travel guru, but wouldn’t that apply? If 2014 Thanos and his crew dies, then that would nullify everything to come afterwards wouldn’t it? - Hated Capt Marvel showing up out of nowhere to save Tony & Nebula, and everything about her in general - Hated Capt America being able to use Thor’s weapons - Hated how Tony went out, not that he did - didn’t like how they did with Steve just going back and staying in the past instead of going out on the battle field. - the first hour dragged on and on and on No use for Ronin, Prof Hulk, Rhodey, no connection with them at all Wanted just a glimpse, easter egg, something for the future threats, F4, Doom, Kang, Galactus, SS, Eternals, Warlock something. Anything. With the time travel and all, I thought some little easter egg about Kang would be hidden There are lots of moments that I did like. Don’t get me wrong. Loved Thor and how he was a joke most of the movie (and LOVED Korg) Liked the dynamic between Tony & Nebula, Rocket & Nebula, Morgan & Tony, Cap & Tony, Scott seeing Cassie, etc. Widows death was shocking to me Loved when all the Avengers Assembled. That was awesome Just was very underwhelmed Not that it was a horrible movie or anything. Just did not live up to my (way too high) expectations or hopes They tried to explain the time travel in the movie but they played pretty fast and loose with it. If you watch the movie Primer, it will probably give you the best answer to how, from a scientific perspective, time travel would work. 2019 Thanos already experienced what you saw. 2014 Thanos is a completely different reality splinter. So there are two of Thanos and they both get killed in the time loop. One of them gets his head chopped off by Thor and the other one dusted by Iron Man. 2019's time loop stays intact, because it happened, and 2014 Thanos branches off that timeline creating a parallel/alternate reality, but he dies, as well. However, as it pertains to the infinity stones, Captain America wouldn't be able to go back in time and replace the stones at the exact moment they took them. They say in the movie they can't go back in time and just kill Thanos as a baby because time travel doesn't work that way but then when Cap needs to put the stones back, time travel conveniently works that way? If Cap were to go back and return the stones, he would see Hulk taking the stone from the Ancient One. Meaning the splinter in the timeline still occurs. Same goes for each moment, including the Soul Stone. I'm kind of mildly obsessed with time travel fiction and Avengers just didn't do it very well imo. It didn't take anything away from the movie, but it's ironic they kind of ran down Bill & Ted and Back to the Future, two of my very favorite movies of all time, and then contradicted themselves. They also reference a mobius strip, and that's what Predestination did as a film and not how they explained time travel worked in Avengers. So they were just all over the place. Again, didn't hurt the film for me, but they could have watched a few seasons of 12 Monkeys and probably nailed that area down better.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Apr 29, 2019 10:21:49 GMT -5
How do you even give the soul stone back? And how the hell was that not an end credit scene? Talk about the full arc of Cap... I mean it’s ing Red Skull
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Post by Jack Specific on Apr 29, 2019 12:19:15 GMT -5
Me throughout almost the entire last two thirds of the movie:
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Post by adzy on Apr 29, 2019 17:39:10 GMT -5
. I know it’s never really specified how old the characters are but let’s say Steve is in his thirties and stayed in the 70’s with Peggy. Steve would be in his 80’s at the end of Endgame. I think he went all the way back to the 40's so he'd be well over 100, but I think he doesn't quite age the same as humans so that would explain why he didn't look ancient. If he went back to the 70s and stayed with Peggy, she'd be over 50 at that point in time whereas he'd be late 20's early 30's maybes.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 29, 2019 17:54:08 GMT -5
Did anyone else catch the bit when Black Widow is asking hologram Okoye about an underwater earthquake? I took it as a hint or tease to Namor. Biggest movie of all time and the best they can tease as a follow up is namor? Phase 4 might not be for me.
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 29, 2019 18:50:08 GMT -5
Some great points made about the time travelling and continuity....
Austin Powers explained it best when it comes to Time Travel movies:
BASIL: 'I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.'
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Post by King Richius on Apr 29, 2019 19:00:27 GMT -5
Forget all the time paradoxes. I think the REAL problem people should be asking questions about following the events of Endgame is what happens when the population of the Earth suddenly doubles? There were five years for all the infrastructures to adjust to supporting just under 4 billion people that now have to rather abruptly support over 7 billion.
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Post by Angel Beast on Apr 29, 2019 20:06:28 GMT -5
Forget all the time paradoxes. I think the REAL problem people should be asking questions about following the events of Endgame is what happens when the population of the Earth suddenly doubles? There were five years for all the infrastructures to adjust to supporting just under 4 billion people that now have to rather abruptly support over 7 billion. Even bigger question, in those 5 year did WWE still inflate the attendance for WrestleMania?
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Post by BSR on Apr 29, 2019 20:16:45 GMT -5
How do you even give the soul stone back? And how the hell was that not an end credit scene? Talk about the full arc of Cap... I mean it’s ing Red Skull This has been driving me insane since you mentioned it
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Apr 29, 2019 20:43:09 GMT -5
Infinity War was a better film.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Apr 29, 2019 21:00:15 GMT -5
Forget all the time paradoxes. I think the REAL problem people should be asking questions about following the events of Endgame is what happens when the population of the Earth suddenly doubles? There were five years for all the infrastructures to adjust to supporting just under 4 billion people that now have to rather abruptly support over 7 billion. Even bigger question, in those 5 year did WWE still inflate the attendance for WrestleMania? ........lmao.....😱
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Apr 30, 2019 7:11:14 GMT -5
How do you even give the soul stone back? And how the hell was that not an end credit scene? Talk about the full arc of Cap... I mean it’s ing Red Skull This has been driving me insane since you mentioned it Lol me too
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 30, 2019 8:57:09 GMT -5
Forget all the time paradoxes. I think the REAL problem people should be asking questions about following the events of Endgame is what happens when the population of the Earth suddenly doubles? There were five years for all the infrastructures to adjust to supporting just under 4 billion people that now have to rather abruptly support over 7 billion. The five year time gap was a really stupid idea. It gave us the Ant-man moment, which I enjoyed, but its only true purpose was to establish a life for Iron Man. Iron Man having a family life makes him more relatable and then you care more about him when he dies in the third act. Beyond that though? It messes everything up. Look at the logistics of Peter Parker going back to school, and all of his friends being back with him. We are to assume that all of Flash, MJ, and Ned were snapped too, but it's eye roll inducing, at a minimum. You can pick apart the time travel elements to death if you're inclined and I think the time gap is a major factor in that conversation. More to your point, you have to assume it would take several years for society to readjust to having the population back. The world was seemingly in total dissaray during that five year stretch. Society isn't just going to jump back to work once they return, either. So where is that food coming from? That's five years without farming for 7 billion, or just general production, manufacturing, and forget about all of the people who would have been snapped away who were vital to keep those things going during that five year stretch. So yeah... under the magnifying glass, it doesn't hold up. That's why it's popcorn entertainment.
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Post by BSR on Apr 30, 2019 10:11:04 GMT -5
This has been driving me insane since you mentioned it Lol me too I expect an explanation as to why we didn't see cap see red skull
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Post by Triple S on Apr 30, 2019 11:01:13 GMT -5
Can’t decide if I should go to the 1:00 showing I have a ticket for or not...? Saw it last night. Haha
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Apr 30, 2019 19:46:22 GMT -5
Take the god damn phone.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Apr 30, 2019 23:26:34 GMT -5
Really can’t wait to take my roommate. He doesn’t have social media or anything to really spoil it and he’s been stuck watching Guardians 2, Black Panther, and Infinity War on repeat with some Thor and such sprinkled in.
Im gonna try and not cry this time...probably won’t happen. I’m pretty sure Tony seeing his dad again will get him.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 1, 2019 6:40:56 GMT -5
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