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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 8, 2019 18:23:31 GMT -5
If Vince McMahon had kept John Cena using his Basic Thuganomics song, and kept him as a heel like character who kept getting cheered, would fans have turned on him like they did in 2005 when he started using his "My Time Is Now" theme??
It just seems like around Wrestlemania 21, Vince changed Cena and that's when the fans slowly started to turn and boo him. At least the teenagers and adults. So after seeing how every fan was cheering on Cena last night at Mania, should Vince have kept John like that the entire time?? Or was the change in character for him in 2005 needed??
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Post by LA Times on Apr 8, 2019 18:28:44 GMT -5
Didnt they have him stop rapping because it was getting vulgar? I think the rap gimmick couldve lasted a couple more years before things had to change. We all know John Cena can appeal to adults, but the WWE chose not to book him that way.
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Post by k5 on Apr 8, 2019 19:25:31 GMT -5
I feel as if things were destined to get as creatively dry as they did during the superman Cena era based on incompetent writers. It wasn’t just Cena that sucked - DX reunion was just as cringy. it was just the absolute craps. that’s my take, at least. 
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 8, 2019 20:45:14 GMT -5
I don't think Vince changing the Cena character made the fans turn on him. It was an inevitability. It's the notion of one guy getting most of the attention throughout the whole company. One guy who isn't that good in-ring, especially then. Heel or face, they'd have turned on him for this reason.
The change was also somewhat necessary. The Doctor of Thuganomics gimmick isn't a top guy character. Had a limited ceiling, similar to Razor. Could only go so far while being taken seriously.
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Apr 9, 2019 14:43:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't have tweaked Cena until mid-2009-early 2010. to me, they stopped "Thuganomics" what it was at its peak. I feel like if Cena hadn't been transitioned into a PG character, he would've been one of the most over acts of all time.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Apr 9, 2019 16:34:23 GMT -5
SuperCena grew during the end of the thuganomics character. Shortly after he won the US title he was the top guy on SD, was pushed superhard and the fans loved him
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 11, 2019 22:54:42 GMT -5
I went to Summerslam 2005 in Washington, D.C. with a bunch of buddies and I can honestly say that we initiated that "Let's go, Jericho!" chant which got countered with "Let's go, Cena!"
It was one of the first big events where the crowd appeared tired of Cena. His character had lost its edge and people were rooting for the mainstay Jericho especially with rumors swirling that he was on his way out of the company.
People were over his act that far back.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 12, 2019 8:34:31 GMT -5
I went to Summerslam 2005 in Washington, D.C. with a bunch of buddies and I can honestly say that we initiated that "Let's go, Jericho!" chant which got countered with "Let's go, Cena!" It was one of the first big events where the crowd appeared tired of Cena. His character had lost its edge and people were rooting for the mainstay Jericho especially with rumors swirling that he was on his way out of the company. People were over his act that far back. Wasn't it in 2006 when the audience started chanting "same old $h!t"? |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 12, 2019 11:03:48 GMT -5
I went to Summerslam 2005 in Washington, D.C. with a bunch of buddies and I can honestly say that we initiated that "Let's go, Jericho!" chant which got countered with "Let's go, Cena!" It was one of the first big events where the crowd appeared tired of Cena. His character had lost its edge and people were rooting for the mainstay Jericho especially with rumors swirling that he was on his way out of the company. People were over his act that far back. Wasn't it in 2006 when the audience started chanting "same old $h!t"? By 2006, the "smart" fans already wanted his head on a stake. There was a tiny grace period after he won the belt at Wrestlemania 21 where the crowd still was behind him, but the cracks didn't take long to form. He got totally exposed by that crowd at One Night Stand which I think accelerated his disconnect amongst older fans. Hating on Cena was officially the "cool" thing to do afterwards. His 2007 Superman reign surely didn't gain him any sympathy from the haters. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 12, 2019 19:57:01 GMT -5
John Cena's Dr. of Thuganomics persona had a limited shelf life. I do feel it ended at just about the right time. In 2003, Cena's raps is what got him organically over with the crowd. The WWE didn't have a choice buy to turn him face. As others have mentioned, Cena was pushed super hard after WrestleMania XX. Likely as a direct response to Brock Lesnar leaving and needing a void to fill in their main even slot. Come 2005, the WWE needed to pull the trigger and give Cena the WWE Championship while ending his Dr. of Thuganomics persona. The backlash against Cena really began in the Summer of 2005 and became further exposed at One Night Stand 2006.
The fans were begging to see through the WWE going super hard on Cena while forgetting they had potential main even guys on their rear-view mirror. This is one of the reasons why the fans took to Edge after his first Money In The Bank cash-in at New Years Revolution 2006. The ratings for RAW increased for this reason. Looking back at this time period, I don't think anybody was ready to fill in the void to be the next top attraction. Edge was good in his role as being in the front of the car but not the one driving it. During Cena's first reign as WWE Champion, Batista did a fine job as the World Heavyweight Champion, Randy Orton was being rehabilitated, and we saw the debut's of Mr. Kennedy and Bobby Lashley.
Recalling all of what happened during this time period is making me say, damn. All of this happened 13-16 years ago. Cena's reactions have changed because Cena's appearances is now few and far between. In retrospect, the WWE caught lightning in a bottle with John Cena. In modern terms, if the Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns can stay healthy for another decade and have the same work ethic as Cena, the WWE is off to the races. Cena realizes the WWE doesn't need him to sell tickets anymore. Just typing that is something I'd thought I'd never type.
No matter what, John Cena's legacy will be felt for decades to come.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Apr 15, 2019 11:30:16 GMT -5
I just remember he rapped about penis a lot. Almost every two had some super gay innuendo
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 16, 2019 19:30:46 GMT -5
Cena was hated cause he rose after the Attitude Era... it was hard to accept him as top guy...
but now he is Legend Status... he grows on you!
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 17, 2019 9:19:35 GMT -5
Cena was hated cause he rose after the Attitude Era... it was hard to accept him as top guy... Not the reason why. It's because of the same good guy kiddy-friendly formula, no edge to his character, superman comeback every match and his (apparent) lack of wrestling ability. Hogan was getting the same (but smaller) reaction in the early-mid 90s hence his change to Hollywood Hogan and the NWO. People grew sick of it. And that was before Attitude. I just remember he rapped about penis a lot. Almost every two had some super gay innuendo And the Rock's whole schpiel was about asses all the time..... Makes you wonder.... |
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