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Post by warriorlynx on Apr 22, 2019 16:19:42 GMT -5
It was just 17 years ago at Backlash 2002 Hogan won his final WWF title (undisputed title). Some interesting facts:
1. Hulk was the last "WWF" Champion and first WWE Champion
2. It was Triple H's idea to drop the strap to Hogan
3. Hulk defended against Regal, Jericho, Flair
4. Hulk lost the title to the Undertaker, the only wrestler he hasn't beaten on TV clean
What do you think of his run? Was it worth it? Or was it better to have it on Triple H? Did it ruin Stone Cold in the WWE (personally I believe it did) causing him to quit?
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Post by The Brain on Apr 22, 2019 16:47:56 GMT -5
I never had a problem with it considering he only held it for not even a month. It was fitting he was the last WWF World Champ before the name change. They did it for mainly nostalgia purposes and for that it was fine.
As far as Austin goes, him being burnout,frustration with creative,and his personal life was the reasons for his exit.I doubt Hogan getting the belt contributed to him leaving.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 22, 2019 18:04:04 GMT -5
Hogans Hulk Still Rules run was one of the best things in the WWF/E in 2002, even though he was there to mostly put over younger talent. Who knew Hogan made a great Ruthless Aggression Era star?
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 22, 2019 18:20:11 GMT -5
very cool thing... i remember it well nothing could stop him!
last and first champ is the coolest fact!
i am confident that Triple H's fave growing up was Hogan, as he lived in WWF territory he woulda grew up watching him mostly. dropping the title right after a huge babyface push, right after his Mania win... it was good business but also would have been nostalgic for himself...
also Hogan was stacked! i am pretty sure he put more muscle on on his return than he had in WCW...
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Post by LA Times on Apr 22, 2019 18:34:14 GMT -5
very cool thing... i remember it well nothing could stop him! last and first champ is the coolest fact! i am confident that Triple H's fave growing up was Hogan, as he lived in WWF territory he woulda grew up watching him mostly. dropping the title right after a huge babyface push, right after his Mania win... it was good business but also would have been nostalgic for himself... also Hogan was stacked! i am pretty sure he put more muscle on on his return than he had in WCW... HHH has said his favorites were Ric Flair and Harley Race. He was never a Hulkamaniac and didnt have many positive things to say about Hogan before 2002. |
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 22, 2019 21:49:46 GMT -5
very cool thing... i remember it well nothing could stop him! last and first champ is the coolest fact! i am confident that Triple H's fave growing up was Hogan, as he lived in WWF territory he woulda grew up watching him mostly. dropping the title right after a huge babyface push, right after his Mania win... it was good business but also would have been nostalgic for himself... also Hogan was stacked! i am pretty sure he put more muscle on on his return than he had in WCW... HHH has said his favorites were Ric Flair and Harley Race. He was never a Hulkamaniac and didnt have many positive things to say about Hogan before 2002. yeah i have heard that... he was calling him a Dinosaur and now look at him!!! but it doesn't make sense that he grew up in WWF territory and liked the others more? Maybe he is keeping it to himself, idk i get the feeling he still respected him |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 22, 2019 23:54:53 GMT -5
Wow, 17 years ago now.... that's crazy.
For the title reign, I loved it! I felt bad for Triple H in a way. He fought so hard to get back and take the title at Mania from Jericho (more like from Stephanie) since it really was a Triple H vs. Stephanie main event, just Jericho was filling in for the wrestling portion of it.
Hogan winning the belt at Backlash was cool. The month reign he had was perfect. I think anything longer than that, fans may get tired of it and him. The thing with Hogan during that time frame, is they kept him fresh every month with a new story line and angle. So Hogan remained over.
As for Austin, I think that whether Hogan there or not, Austin would have went home. In 2002, it didn't reek of the Attitude Era anymore. The Ruthless Aggression Era was already in motion by April of 2002. Austin wasn't gonna be seen as the man anymore. He was pretty much put in the same position that Bret Hat was put in 1997. Where the New Generation was dead, and the Attitude Era was starting to slowly going in motion. Austin was doomed - Hogan or not.
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Post by K5 on Apr 23, 2019 0:43:44 GMT -5
i more enjoyed his work with edge on smackdown later on, but yeah, his reign was well timed and felt right. i remember thinking it was just crazy to see hogan and flair still on top at their age.
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Post by warriorlynx on Apr 23, 2019 7:48:26 GMT -5
HHH has said his favorites were Ric Flair and Harley Race. He was never a Hulkamaniac and didnt have many positive things to say about Hogan before 2002. yeah i have heard that... he was calling him a Dinosaur and now look at him!!! but it doesn't make sense that he grew up in WWF territory and liked the others more? Maybe he is keeping it to himself, idk i get the feeling he still respected him It was competition, WWF vs WCW, so of course he'd say Hogan and Macho were dinosaurs lol. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Apr 23, 2019 9:40:49 GMT -5
Hasn’t the Undertaker ever beaten Hogan clean?
Survivor Series 91- Wins because Flair comes in with the chair and he tombstones Hogan onto it
This Tuesday In Texas - Loses, Flair still interferes
Judgement Day 02 - Wins because of Vince.
This would’ve been a good point to use in a feud in like 05 or 06.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 23, 2019 11:41:58 GMT -5
Hasn’t the Undertaker ever beaten Hogan clean? Survivor Series 91- Wins because Flair comes in with the chair and he tombstones Hogan onto it This Tuesday In Texas - Loses, Flair still interferes Judgement Day 02 - Wins because of Vince. This would’ve been a good point to use in a feud in like 05 or 06. It was funny when Hogan threw ashes from the urn at undertaker to beat him |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:26:03 GMT -5
Hasn’t the Undertaker ever beaten Hogan clean? Survivor Series 91- Wins because Flair comes in with the chair and he tombstones Hogan onto it This Tuesday In Texas - Loses, Flair still interferes Judgement Day 02 - Wins because of Vince. This would’ve been a good point to use in a feud in like 05 or 06. There was a house show at MSG in June 2002 and it was Hogan's first match at the garden since returning to wwe. I was there. Hogan lost to Undertaker with help from Vince. |
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Post by LA Times on Apr 23, 2019 20:48:17 GMT -5
Wow, 17 years ago now.... that's crazy. For the title reign, I loved it! I felt bad for Triple H in a way. He fought so hard to get back and take the title at Mania from Jericho (more like from Stephanie) since it really was a Triple H vs. Stephanie main event, just Jericho was filling in for the wrestling portion of it. Hogan winning the belt at Backlash was cool. The month reign he had was perfect. I think anything longer than that, fans may get tired of it and him. The thing with Hogan during that time frame, is they kept him fresh every month with a new story line and angle. So Hogan remained over. As for Austin, I think that whether Hogan there or not, Austin would have went home. In 2002, it didn't reek of the Attitude Era anymore. The Ruthless Aggression Era was already in motion by April of 2002. Austin wasn't gonna be seen as the man anymore. He was pretty much put in the same position that Bret Hat was put in 1997. Where the New Generation was dead, and the Attitude Era was starting to slowly going in motion. Austin was doomed - Hogan or not. All Stone Cold was doing in 2002 was cutting promos designed for the crowd to yell "WHAT?!", which I found more entertaining than anything he did during the Attitude Era. |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 24, 2019 5:12:47 GMT -5
Wow, 17 years ago now.... that's crazy. For the title reign, I loved it! I felt bad for Triple H in a way. He fought so hard to get back and take the title at Mania from Jericho (more like from Stephanie) since it really was a Triple H vs. Stephanie main event, just Jericho was filling in for the wrestling portion of it. Hogan winning the belt at Backlash was cool. The month reign he had was perfect. I think anything longer than that, fans may get tired of it and him. The thing with Hogan during that time frame, is they kept him fresh every month with a new story line and angle. So Hogan remained over. As for Austin, I think that whether Hogan there or not, Austin would have went home. In 2002, it didn't reek of the Attitude Era anymore. The Ruthless Aggression Era was already in motion by April of 2002. Austin wasn't gonna be seen as the man anymore. He was pretty much put in the same position that Bret Hat was put in 1997. Where the New Generation was dead, and the Attitude Era was starting to slowly going in motion. Austin was doomed - Hogan or not.Did Hogan have anything to do with Austin going home? Not that I recall. Austin wasn't going to be seen as the man anymore more so because of his health. Austin was still very over and arguably still the face of the company at the time. Hell, he was still the most over part of Raw as co-GM following his retirement. I think if Austin stayed healthy, or maybe in an alternate universe where he didn't break his neck vs Owen, that there's no way he's being moved from the top spot until he can't do it anymore or leaves on his own. That doesn't mean he's going to be champion, but he most certainly would have remained the top billed featured player. Bret in 97 was able to change and adapt but you're right, he was clearly no longer being viewed as the only top guy anymore. I wouldn't really compare the two though because, as much as I love Bret, he was never over to the insane degree that Austin was. Additionally, Austin's shtick still would have worked in the RA era as opposed to Bret's in the AE. |
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 24, 2019 7:40:52 GMT -5
I was there live for one of Hogan's 5-minute nostalgia pops. It was awesome! Amazing how over he was with the fans at this time, especially considering the WWF/WCW ratings war, the vocal back and forth, etc. Though I guess ten years (for the hardcore WWF fan) was enough time to build the anticipation. People just wanted the red and yellow back one more time.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 24, 2019 10:38:43 GMT -5
Wow, 17 years ago now.... that's crazy. For the title reign, I loved it! I felt bad for Triple H in a way. He fought so hard to get back and take the title at Mania from Jericho (more like from Stephanie) since it really was a Triple H vs. Stephanie main event, just Jericho was filling in for the wrestling portion of it. Hogan winning the belt at Backlash was cool. The month reign he had was perfect. I think anything longer than that, fans may get tired of it and him. The thing with Hogan during that time frame, is they kept him fresh every month with a new story line and angle. So Hogan remained over. As for Austin, I think that whether Hogan there or not, Austin would have went home. In 2002, it didn't reek of the Attitude Era anymore. The Ruthless Aggression Era was already in motion by April of 2002. Austin wasn't gonna be seen as the man anymore. He was pretty much put in the same position that Bret Hat was put in 1997. Where the New Generation was dead, and the Attitude Era was starting to slowly going in motion. Austin was doomed - Hogan or not.Did Hogan have anything to do with Austin going home? Not that I recall. Austin wasn't going to be seen as the man anymore more so because of his health. Austin was still very over and arguably still the face of the company at the time. Hell, he was still the most over part of Raw as co-GM following his retirement. I think if Austin stayed healthy, or maybe in an alternate universe where he didn't break his neck vs Owen, that there's no way he's being moved from the top spot until he can't do it anymore or leaves on his own. That doesn't mean he's going to be champion, but he most certainly would have remained the top billed featured player. Bret in 97 was able to change and adapt but you're right, he was clearly no longer being viewed as the only top guy anymore. I wouldn't really compare the two though because, as much as I love Bret, he was never over to the insane degree that Austin was. Additionally, Austin's shtick still would have worked in the RA era as opposed to Bret's in the AE. From what Austin has always said he left because they wanted him to lose to Brock Lesnar on Raw with no build or no follow up, to him he thought that was the wrong way to go, he thought that he and Brock could have had a good run if they were building to a long feud. He didn't like just losing to Lesnar in a one-off match, he thought they could have made a lot of money in a program together. I think this also made Austin feel like he was an after thought at this point and he didn't like where the company was going with his character. Plus, I thought I heard he didn't like being in a match with Scott Hall at WM (though that was mainly his doing when he refused to work with Hogan). I guess he felt the only way he could protest was by not showing up. |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 24, 2019 13:05:46 GMT -5
Did Hogan have anything to do with Austin going home? Not that I recall. Austin wasn't going to be seen as the man anymore more so because of his health. Austin was still very over and arguably still the face of the company at the time. Hell, he was still the most over part of Raw as co-GM following his retirement. I think if Austin stayed healthy, or maybe in an alternate universe where he didn't break his neck vs Owen, that there's no way he's being moved from the top spot until he can't do it anymore or leaves on his own. That doesn't mean he's going to be champion, but he most certainly would have remained the top billed featured player. Bret in 97 was able to change and adapt but you're right, he was clearly no longer being viewed as the only top guy anymore. I wouldn't really compare the two though because, as much as I love Bret, he was never over to the insane degree that Austin was. Additionally, Austin's shtick still would have worked in the RA era as opposed to Bret's in the AE. From what Austin has always said he left because they wanted him to lose to Brock Lesnar on Raw with no build or no follow up, to him he thought that was the wrong way to go, he thought that he and Brock could have had a good run if they were building to a long feud. He didn't like just losing to Lesnar in a one-off match, he thought they could have made a lot of money in a program together. I think this also made Austin feel like he was an after thought at this point and he didn't like where the company was going with his character. Plus, I thought I heard he didn't like being in a match with Scott Hall at WM (though that was mainly his doing when he refused to work with Hogan). I guess he felt the only way he could protest was by not showing up. Yeah these are all the points I remember. On Lesnar, he isn't wrong. That's a strange match to give away on free TV. I like his match with Scott Hall haha. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Apr 24, 2019 18:35:21 GMT -5
Great idea to capitalize on Hogan's post Red and Yellow Renaissance. Some of Hogan's best work comes from 02-03. It was cool, and sometimes nostalgia runs are awesome. I get more bothered by the failure of Jericho's undisputed reign. Jericho and HHH could of been more cutthroat, god sakes Jericho was in the match that could be labelled as ''nearly ending'' Triple H. I think it was even pitched Jericho to have had a affair with Stephanie to it. Jericho and HHH could of been so much better, let alone we could of made the angle more interesting. Jericho taking a surprise victory at WM 18, to gain heat. Let alone, HHH was red hot coming back. But, his in ring work in 2002 is some of my least favorite. Nothing can beat Triple H's work from 2000-2001. Triple H is a fantastic wrestler, but like The Undertaker in 1999-2001 his in ring work really declined. So, Hogan taking the title off HHH was good. I don't know, I just didn't like Triple H's face run in 2002. Austin is worth a big discussion. I think Austin really was never the same before. WrestleMania 17 stands a this shadow over the character. And as mentioned, the Attitude Era by 2002 was melting really quickly. Austin wasn't going to be a big focus by that point, even regardless of WrestleMania 17.
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Post by warriorlynx on Apr 25, 2019 8:47:23 GMT -5
I disagree that the Attitude Era was coming to an end because that's what people wanted or people were sick of it, rather it was the purchase of WCW and later ECW, which resulted a year later in losing most of the mass market. The masses is what the WWE lost and I don't believe they can ever get them back. Think about this, you're not a big wrestling fan, but you come home from a hard day's of work wanting to watch someone kick their bosses a$$ and you see Lance Storm taking on some ECW guy and you're like where the f is Stone Cold or the Rock? This is how the Attitude Era died and 2002 saw a decline in overall business.
By having so much talent and bringing in the nWo back, the boys in the back felt betrayed in a sense that "we put these fricken guys out of business and they're coming in taken our spots". Austin was definitely effected by this.
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