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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 10, 2019 7:58:22 GMT -5
I want to try and have a legit discussion about this, but obviously if Mods/Admins feel that can't happen, then I apologize and feel free to lock and delete the thread. So recently in the news, if anyone has been paying attention, there is like a huge outcry of attention to people making this hand gesture in pictures or videos: The media is claiming that this is an offensive hand gesture, but I'm 34 years old and like my whole life it's been a hand gesture you make when you are playing "the circle game". Where you make that hand gesture near your crotch and then try and get somebody to look, and when they look you go "ahhhhhhhhhhhh made you look" and kinda punch them not that hard in the arm or something. Is this now an offensive gesture? Has it always been offensive and we didn't know? Did it BECOME offensive at some point and I'm not aware? I'm just trying to legitimately get peoples opinions on this and I'd really like the thread to stay on track because I hear about this hand gesture on the news almost DAILY now at this point and every time they talk about it I'm legit yelling at my TV going "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANS, IT'S JUST THE CIRCLE GAME!!!!!!"....but am I wrong? Seriously...help me out here.
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Post by rowdy1971 on May 10, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -5
Yeah here in Chicago there is uproar about some guy doing this during a broadcast of a Cubs game where there was a black reporter doing a segment. Everyone is screaming racism. Everyone are stupid. We did this game when we were kids and it was all about punching people.
I hate the world most times.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 10, 2019 9:09:44 GMT -5
It's a retroactive appropriation, similar to the adoption of Pepe the Frog as a mascot of white supremacy. It started as a trolling effort out of 4Chan that eventually gained a modicum of legitimacy when actual white supremacists began utilizing the sign in earnest: SourceAs with anything, intent is the prevalent delimiter, and context is king.
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Post by rowdy1971 on May 10, 2019 9:56:18 GMT -5
Yeah here in Chicago there is uproar about some guy doing this during a broadcast of a Cubs game where there was a black reporter doing a segment. Everyone is screaming racism. Everyone are stupid. We did this game when we were kids and it was all about punching people. I hate the world most times. Lorenzo Alcazar was telling me about the Cubs game. I told him I think they're just very salty that he was able to get easily 125,000 people at once. Absolute legend! yes he is!
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on May 10, 2019 10:17:49 GMT -5
Heard about this on the news a few weeks ago. First thing I thought: Cena's gotta get himself another new hand sign now.
My next thought: Or does he...
EDIT: Almost forgot, that is racist.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on May 10, 2019 12:52:19 GMT -5
It's a game. People are sensitive and stupid.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 12:55:39 GMT -5
Certain people are so sensitive now, so much stuff that was a laugh once is now taboo for most, it sucks
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Post by GBGav on May 10, 2019 13:58:13 GMT -5
It's crazy that something that used to be a fun schoolyard game, and still is amongst adults now, is becoming something "offensive." If supremacists have adopted it for themselves then that's another thing and as pointed out, context is the key. It's like the swastika in a way. It was an ancient symbol that the Nazis adopted and ever since it's associated with badness. More and more things are becoming "offensive" now. I remember as a kid being caught out with another game we played where someone would point to the floor and say "You dropped your gay card" and you'd look for it. I don't know if kids still do that but that'd be another target for banishment.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 14:51:35 GMT -5
It's crazy that something that used to be a fun schoolyard game, and still is amongst adults now, is becoming something "offensive." If supremacists have adopted it for themselves then that's another thing and as pointed out, context is the key. It's like the swastika in a way. It was an ancient symbol that the Nazis adopted and ever since it's associated with badness. More and more things are becoming "offensive" now. I remember as a kid being caught out with another game we played where someone would point to the floor and say "You dropped your gay card" and you'd look for it. I don't know if kids still do that but that'd be another target for banishment. Haha i remember the gay card thing
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Post by LK3 on May 10, 2019 19:47:06 GMT -5
THIS is what the Cubs thing was about? Jesus ing Christ. Why does it have something to do with racism? It’s just a stupid ing game.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 19:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by Nivro™ on May 10, 2019 20:01:08 GMT -5
Ive only been doing this for like 25 years but now its offensive
Thanks Obama
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Post by screech on May 11, 2019 0:45:58 GMT -5
Lmao nope. Both this and Pepe being deemed racist were completely overblown political hit jobs and nothing more.
Neither of those thing were "racist" until Trump supporters were using them and then all of this b.s. came from out of nowhere. The ADL designating Pepe as a hate symbol right before the Election was a hit job. Racist Pepe memes were not a thing outside of some fringe places (4chan probably) until the ADL designated it as a hate symbol, then all of a sudden all these news sites had countless examples of "white supremacy" Pepe memes that nobody had even seen before as if it was reminiscent of all Pepe memes. Then that idiot Richard Spencer (that nobody had even heard of before) and others adopted the logo soon after and the rest is history. Pepe was an innocent cartoon frog.
As for the OK hand sign, users on 4Chan started a campaign where they wanted to convince people that Trump supporters were using that hand sign as a dog whistle for "white power." It completely worked and now idiots actually think that hand sign can be racist.
Neither are racist and honestly this world is getting more intellectually- disabled by the day because of stuff like this.
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Post by marklud on May 11, 2019 0:55:04 GMT -5
It's absolutely been adopted as a symbol of white supremacy by the crazy folks on 4chan and such. It meant nothing years ago but like a lot of things it's recently been co-opted by that group of racists. Just because you don't know the background doesn't make it all right today/anymore... and honestly I don't blame you one bit for not knowing because if you're not reading the crap on those boards or following the growth of white supremacism you'd think it's just the meaningless gesture it used to be.
The dude went out of his way to do the gesture in front of a black sportscaster at the Cubs game. There was absolutely intent there.
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Post by screech on May 11, 2019 1:23:29 GMT -5
The dude went out of his way to do the gesture in front of a black sportscaster at the Cubs game. There was absolutely intent there. Lmao oh noooooo he did the OK sign at a tv camera while a BLACK person was present! his intent MUST BE RACISM! I hope these damn white supremacist don't make ketchup their new logo or we will all have to stop eating ketchup The gesture is completely meaningless.
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Post by LK3 on May 11, 2019 1:27:01 GMT -5
So basically if the sportscaster was white and this happened then no one would’ve thought twice about it? Sounds to me that this guy just knew he was on camera and decided he’d “get everyone” watching with the game.
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Post by LK3 on May 11, 2019 1:27:52 GMT -5
The dude went out of his way to do the gesture in front of a black sportscaster at the Cubs game. There was absolutely intent there. Lmao oh noooooo he did the OK sign at a tv camera while a BLACK person was present! his intent MUST BE RACISM! I hope these damn white supremacist don't make ketchup their new logo or we will all have to stop eating ketchup The gesture is completely meaningless. Soon someone is gonna find a way for a thumbs up 👍🏻 to be racist.
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Post by marklud on May 11, 2019 1:37:28 GMT -5
The dude went out of his way to do the gesture in front of a black sportscaster at the Cubs game. There was absolutely intent there. Lmao oh noooooo he did the OK sign at a tv camera while a BLACK person was present! his intent MUST BE RACISM! I hope these damn white supremacist don't make ketchup their new logo or we will all have to stop eating ketchup The gesture is completely meaningless. Did you actually see the footage? He went out of his way to do it so it would get on TV with only his hand and the black sportscaster. Hmm, I wonder what the motivation could possibly be there? Again, you and I may just think it's a stupid thing but it's been co-opted/adopted by a group of fringe racists. Tomorrow some terrorist group may take another meaningless gesture and make it their own even if it meant nothing to us for the last 50 years. The hardcore band Isis had to change their name once that stuff began. This happens from time to time.
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Post by screech on May 11, 2019 1:38:15 GMT -5
Lmao oh noooooo he did the OK sign at a tv camera while a BLACK person was present! his intent MUST BE RACISM! I hope these damn white supremacist don't make ketchup their new logo or we will all have to stop eating ketchup The gesture is completely meaningless. Soon someone is gonna find a way for a thumbs up 👍🏻 to be racist. The new "racist" thing is clowns, believe it or not. Just look up "clowns alt-right" or something and you'll find it. It's the same exact story as the "ok" sign, some trolls decided to try to trick people into thinking it was associated with the "alt right" or white supremacy or whatever and it's slowly working. It's a joke now but soon you'll have people (such as in this thread) who really buy into it and actually think it's some hate symbol. Just give it a few years and there will be some major outcry when some innocent family hires a clown for their kids birthday party and invites black kids to the clown party. Someone will surely see this as a racist act with "absolute intent" and eventually society will just crumble upon itself from all this intellectually- disabled fake outrage.
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Post by marklud on May 11, 2019 1:38:51 GMT -5
So basically if the sportscaster was white and this happened then no one would’ve thought twice about it? Sounds to me that this guy just knew he was on camera and decided he’d “get everyone” watching with the game. Please find me some footage of this happening in the year 2019 to a white broadcaster lol. (It's not happening.)
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