TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on May 12, 2019 13:21:26 GMT -5
We all know DDP got absolutely buried upon arrival in the WWF after debuting in 2001. The guy took a 50% buyout on his hefty Time Warner contract just to be involved in the WCW Invasion angle. By almost all accounts, DDP is a great dude who wasn't known as a bad locker room guy which makes me wonder if maybe they had some beef.
The Undertaker, even back then, was enough of a legend to have major influence on his character and how he was booked. Do you think he used any stroke he had to purposely crush DDP in their feud or was this a Vince thing? On the flip side, do you think he tried to use some stroke to maybe book the feud a bit more evenly to make DDP look more like a threat, but got shot down?
That feud did nothing for The Undertaker and the only purpose it really served was killing any momentum DDP had entering the company. Undertaker isn't know as being an ego guy behind the scenes, so it makes me wonder how the hell this seemingly great feud evolved into one of the most forgettable angles ever.
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Post by Evil Abed on May 12, 2019 13:29:47 GMT -5
If anyone was vindictive when it came to burying DDP (and others i.e. Booker T) it was definitely Vince. He got to have his moment in the sun to squash the only WCW guys he could during that time period. DDP was known for being one of the most well liked guys in the locker room, I doubt Taker had anything to do with it.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 12, 2019 14:12:41 GMT -5
If anyone was vindictive when it came to burying DDP (and others i.e. Booker T) it was definitely Vince. He got to have his moment in the sun to squash the only WCW guys he could during that time period. DDP was known for being one of the most well liked guys in the locker room, I doubt Taker had anything to do with it. I remember hearing that DDP tried to piece a match together with Taker step by step. Triple H told him to not do that, but he did anyways. |
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Post by PJ on May 12, 2019 15:17:13 GMT -5
I love how Triple H is blamed for everything including things that happened 2 years prior to him marrying Stephanie. As if Vince was going to listen to anyone not sharing his name if anyone. If DDP was buried it’s 100% all on Vince. He just won the war and was going to make sure anyone not already in WWE prior to him buying WCW was going to look 100% inferior to his wrestlers.
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Post by blissfan4life on May 12, 2019 15:36:00 GMT -5
I don't think so... DDP shouldn't have have gone up to him and handed him a script of their match. Savage was able to get away with it, because he was Savage.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 12, 2019 15:43:12 GMT -5
In shoot interviews, I've always heard that Undertaker was very unimpressed with DDP coming in with his scripts for matches, as that was not the done thing in the locker room. After that, the knock on DDP was that he didn't really know how to work and wasn't useful for anything. Then within about two years or so, WWE got fairly scripty anyway.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 12, 2019 15:55:30 GMT -5
In shoot interviews, I've always heard that Undertaker was very unimpressed with DDP coming in with his scripts for matches, as that was not the done thing in the locker room. After that, the knock on DDP was that he didn't really know how to work and wasn't useful for anything. Then within about two years or so, WWE got fairly scripty anyway. At least DDP had enthusiasm and wanted to put on a good match. Being a locker room leader Taker should've showed him the ropes and how things work. |
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Post by marino13 on May 12, 2019 18:48:33 GMT -5
Taker CLEARLY had no interest in working a legit program with DDP. I mean even Sara pinned DDP in less than ten seconds! That alone should tell you all you need to know. And yes, Triple H has told the story that he warned DDP not to go up to Taker with a script. But DDP insisted. Taker didn't take too kindly to it and the rest was history.
All that being said, I think at his age, Vince was never going to really push DDP to the moon regardless. But the Taker feud drowned DDP before his feet got wet.
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Post by Papi Joker on May 12, 2019 20:54:03 GMT -5
I love how Triple H is blamed for everything including things that happened 2 years prior to him marrying Stephanie. As if Vince was going to listen to anyone not sharing his name if anyone. If DDP was buried it’s 100% all on Vince. He just won the war and was going to make sure anyone not already in WWE prior to him buying WCW was going to look 100% inferior to his wrestlers. Well he listened to him in 1997 in Montreal!!! and honestly... if you were jumping ship like that and they tell you ''can't work the champ already taken'' as if you wouldn't pick THE UNDERTAKER!!! i don't think it was a bury, but a huge opportunity... or maybe i been listening to Bruce Prichard too much??? #FeelTheBang |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 7:58:38 GMT -5
Yeah the feud with Undertaker was bad, but when he came back as the motivational speaker with the catchphrase "that's not a bad thing... that's a good thing" before smiling, I thought that was good stuff. He did win the European title and had a wrestlemania match(ironically his WM debut was at skydome where he drove the pink Cadillac 12 years earlier) and beat Christian in his own hometown. I thought for sure Christian would win that match.
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Post by warriorlynx on May 13, 2019 8:08:11 GMT -5
Should've brought in DDP at the same time as Booker T, to really "start the invasion".
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Post by k5 on May 13, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -5
extremely misused talent.
and yes, I think the undertaker burial of ddp had intent on taker’s part.
same with him and Kane absolutely running over Kronic.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on May 13, 2019 14:02:29 GMT -5
extremely misused talent. and yes, I think the undertaker burial of ddp had intent on taker’s part. same with him and Kane absolutely running over Kronic. Which is odd because it's been confirmed that The Undertaker and Crush were pretty good friends in real life. That match was absolutely abysmal. |
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Post by PJ on May 13, 2019 18:54:36 GMT -5
I love how Triple H is blamed for everything including things that happened 2 years prior to him marrying Stephanie. As if Vince was going to listen to anyone not sharing his name if anyone. If DDP was buried it’s 100% all on Vince. He just won the war and was going to make sure anyone not already in WWE prior to him buying WCW was going to look 100% inferior to his wrestlers. Well he listened to him in 1997 in Montreal!!! and honestly... if you were jumping ship like that and they tell you ''can't work the champ already taken'' as if you wouldn't pick THE UNDERTAKER!!! i don't think it was a bury, but a huge opportunity... or maybe i been listening to Bruce Prichard too much??? #FeelTheBang Yeah Triple H could have warned DDP not bring a script to Undertaker for their match and sure with MSJ he said F Bret or whatever he said in the meeting, but Vince was going to do it regardless of what Triple H had said there. But with the WCW guys Vince had just won the war there was no way his ego was going to let any WCW guy come in and shine against any of his top guys. If Vince wanted Taker and DDP have a feud that made DDP look good it would have happened. But Vince wanted to humiliate the WCW talent when they first got there. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 13, 2019 21:57:10 GMT -5
I don't think the Undertaker wanted to bury DDP, but I am guessing he was more disappointed in how DDP did his matches, and then said to Vince, "we gotta just squash this as fast as possible."
But in a way, it was good for DDP. Vince wanted to get that WCW stank off of him, and then DDP became that Positive Page with smiling all the time, and it got him a European Title reign for two months. So I wouldn't say DDP's WWE career was a disaster, he was still used enough considering his age and the fact he was only there because WWE bought WCW.
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Post by JokerFC on May 16, 2019 18:18:32 GMT -5
DDPs introduction was effin ridiculous....but then again the whole angle was an enormous ego trip for Vince & Steph. It was never gonna yield any fruit.
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