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Post by tylerbreezee on Jun 11, 2019 21:10:05 GMT -5
So I posted this in the Smackdown thread but I feel like it should also be it's own so we can observe the differences.
Let's see what Smackdown guys appeared tonight
1. Elias
2. Daniel
3. Rowan
4. Otis
5. Tucker
6. Kofi
7. Big E
8. Xavier
9. Owens
10. Black
11. R-Truth
12. Mahal
13. Mandy
14. Sonya
15. Carmella
16. Apollo
17. Zelina
18. Bayley
And now Raw Superstars:
1. Drew
2. Miz
3. Ziggler
4. Zayn
5. Alexa
6. Nikki
How many Smackdown stars weren't featured?
Answer: 31 Superstars. The reason none of these people were used is because of the opening segment, the use of all the Raw superstars, all the useless backstage segments, and all the recaps.
This episode featured a lengthy opening segment, technically 1 match since Miz vs Drew was done all through the commercial break, 6 backstage segments that furthered no storylines, 2 women's matches, a promo + squash tag match, another lengthy segment, one main event, and around 5-8 recaps through video packages or announcers talking.
I just skimmed an episode of Smackdown from June 12th 2009 and we had the following:
1. CM Punk
2. Jeff Hardy
3. Edge
4. Chris Jericho
5. Ziggler
6. Khali
7. Benjamin
8. Haas
9. Truth
10. Morrison
11. Michelle
12. Layla
13. Melina
14. Alicia
15. Eve
And now Raw Superstars
none
How many Smackdown stars weren't featured?
Answer: It's hard to find the exact numbers, but it's around 10-15 people. The only reason less people were used on the episode were due to it's double main event.
This episode had an opening segment that had some action in it and set up 2 matches for later in the night, one backstage segment, two mid card matches, one women's match, a medium storyline advancing promo by Jericho, and then right into a double main event. How many recaps? Just the opening video package.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 11, 2019 21:28:17 GMT -5
10 years ago Shane McMahon was leaving the company
Now he is the biggest and most powerful heel on the roster
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Post by Chip on Jun 11, 2019 23:52:30 GMT -5
The recaps thing is the biggest standout in some ways....they literally recap everything. every match there's some kind of recap or after the match is over theres a replay of what just happened.
It might be the single biggest problem with this company nowadays, the fact that they spend so much time and effort THINKING their audience doesn't know how to follow a show, has zero clue what's happening and/or never has seen an episode before.
Vince acts like every show his audience is nothing but first time viewers.
Its like they truly believe that everyone watching can't even remember what happened 30 minutes ago. Instead of creating a TV show that's good and interesting enough to keep your attention, they just replay and recap everything so you literally don't need to watch any of it consistently
The commentary is constantly telling us the same pre-made force-fed lines every single week about the same people. They recap things to no end. Promos are virtually the same lines/subjects week after week. The backstage interviews are the most cookie cutter vanilla white bread news reporter garbage I've ever seen.They never get anywhere because they put all the effort into replaying, recapping and robot-ing the entire show.
The overall presentation of the current WWE is insulting, horrendous, repetitive and pointless.
And this is without including the worst camera work of any show in history.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 12, 2019 1:01:00 GMT -5
Here's an idea... just stop watching!
WWE wrestling fans are like that battered beaten wife. She keeps staying with the husband after he hits her, because he says, "sorry."
WWE fans are just the same. They all complain about the product, the talent, who's getting booked and how it's happening, and say how much they hate the WWE, yet they keep watching it.
How can the WWE change if people keep tuning in?? In 1995 the WWE viewing audience dropped drastically! To the point where it wasn't looking good for the WWE. Because fans were bored with it. But it seems the fans of this era can't stop watching, no matter what. I honestly think it's because this era of fans just loves to complain about things.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 12, 2019 5:15:57 GMT -5
So this week’s show featured more Smackdown wrestlers than an episode ten years ago did.
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Post by Chip on Jun 12, 2019 9:59:00 GMT -5
So this week’s show featured more Smackdown wrestlers than an episode ten years ago did. way to completely miss the point..... the roster is way bigger today. yet there were 6 people who are "designated" RAW superstars that appeared on Smackdown this week, between them and all the additional videos/promos it leaves 31 people out of the show. Only 3 more SD guys were used than the random episode he looked at from 2009, yet HALF the amount of people were not used. The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. The number of people who appeared is just for reference purpose and is more about the people not used than the ones who were. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 12, 2019 10:35:40 GMT -5
2009 you still had CM Punk, Batista, Edge, Shawn Michaels, plus guys like Triple H and Undertaker were still wrestling in a full time capacity.
The roster definitely seemed more star studded...but that's WWE's fault for really not building new stars; and guys that HAD the possibility of being stars, they were mis-used and either left the company out of frustration, or were idiotically fired because WWE didn't realize what they had.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 12, 2019 11:42:20 GMT -5
The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. And ten years ago, you still complained about every show. Which you also did before the wildcard rule came in. So using that as a reason for hating the WWE product only really works if you started hating it in the last couple of months. When you’ve complained about it for a decade or two, it probably wasn’t the wildcard rule all along, Austin!And yet, completely self-defeating when it shows that they actually used more SmackDown wrestlers this week than they did in the episode from ten years ago. There are more wrestlers not used because the roster is bigger. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 12, 2019 12:03:51 GMT -5
So this week’s show featured more Smackdown wrestlers than an episode ten years ago did. way to completely miss the point..... the roster is way bigger today. yet there were 6 people who are "designated" RAW superstars that appeared on Smackdown this week, between them and all the additional videos/promos it leaves 31 people out of the show. Only 3 more SD guys were used than the random episode he looked at from 2009, yet HALF the amount of people were not used. The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. The number of people who appeared is just for reference purpose and is more about the people not used than the ones who were. Wasn’t it said a few weeks after the shakeup that the Networks were demanding certain superstars to be on the show and that’s why they came up with the wildcard rule? So if that’s the case they are doing the best they can to get as much talent featured as possible. Because they are keeping it two brands so more talent can be featured yet they are also giving the network the guys they asked for. But if it was all one brand again then a lot more talent wouldn’t be seen. But yeah they need to stop recapping everything that has happened in the course of the night. And especially when they recap the PPV’s on both shows. An they need to cut down on so many WWE 24/7 segments there’s no need to have more than one segment on each show. Also is Black injured? He hasn’t wrestled in ages yet Ricochet is featured every week. |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Jun 12, 2019 12:40:56 GMT -5
In 1995 the WWE viewing audience dropped drastically! To the point where it wasn't looking good for the WWE. Because fans were bored with it. But it seems the fans of this era can't stop watching, no matter what. I honestly think it's because this era of fans just loves to complain about things. There was also this thing called Nitro that ran live weekly (compared to live monthly for Raw) head to head with Raw on a network larger than USA (TNT) and a billionaire (Ted Turner) that was convinced by a very entrepreneurial individual (Eric Bischoff) to pump oodles of money into, not only on production, but top name talent. |
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Post by LA Times on Jun 12, 2019 12:50:59 GMT -5
way to completely miss the point..... the roster is way bigger today. yet there were 6 people who are "designated" RAW superstars that appeared on Smackdown this week, between them and all the additional videos/promos it leaves 31 people out of the show. Only 3 more SD guys were used than the random episode he looked at from 2009, yet HALF the amount of people were not used. The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. The number of people who appeared is just for reference purpose and is more about the people not used than the ones who were. Wasn’t it said a few weeks after the shakeup that the Networks were demanding certain superstars to be on the show and that’s why they came up with the wildcard rule? So if that’s the case they are doing the best they can to get as much talent featured as possible. Because they are keeping it two brands so more talent can be featured yet they are also giving the network the guys they asked for. But if it was all one brand again then a lot more talent wouldn’t be seen. But yeah they need to stop recapping everything that has happened in the course of the night. And especially when they recap the PPV’s on both shows. An they need to cut down on so many WWE 24/7 segments there’s no need to have more than one segment on each show. Also is Black injured? He hasn’t wrestled in ages yet Ricochet is featured every week. I dont think so. Theyre just having him do those promos because they have no ideas for him. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 12, 2019 13:03:16 GMT -5
I wish they would find something for him, because he had grown on me since his feud with Ciampa. I didn’t think much of him then, but he’s impressed me since.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
10 years ago the wwe creative was pretty bad. 10 years later it's much worse!
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Post by K5 on Jun 12, 2019 18:41:03 GMT -5
i like the current era creatively far more than 2009 tbh. but i guess that's just personal taste.
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Post by theicwguy on Jun 12, 2019 19:14:25 GMT -5
Here's an idea... just stop watching! WWE wrestling fans are like that battered beaten wife. She keeps staying with the husband after he hits her, because he says, "sorry." WWE fans are just the same. They all complain about the product, the talent, who's getting booked and how it's happening, and say how much they hate the WWE, yet they keep watching it. How can the WWE change if people keep tuning in?? In 1995 the WWE viewing audience dropped drastically! To the point where it wasn't looking good for the WWE. Because fans were bored with it. But it seems the fans of this era can't stop watching, no matter what. I honestly think it's because this era of fans just loves to complain about things. Are you Sami Zayn? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 12, 2019 19:46:49 GMT -5
Here's an idea... just stop watching! WWE wrestling fans are like that battered beaten wife. She keeps staying with the husband after he hits her, because he says, "sorry." WWE fans are just the same. They all complain about the product, the talent, who's getting booked and how it's happening, and say how much they hate the WWE, yet they keep watching it. How can the WWE change if people keep tuning in?? In 1995 the WWE viewing audience dropped drastically! To the point where it wasn't looking good for the WWE. Because fans were bored with it. But it seems the fans of this era can't stop watching, no matter what. I honestly think it's because this era of fans just loves to complain about things. Are you Sami Zayn?
Shhhh.... don't ruin the secret!
Ha ha ha
But no, I am not. I am Canadian though, so I guess that's close enough to being Sami.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jun 12, 2019 22:44:20 GMT -5
Its getting easier just to not watch anymore. They don't have anything left that makes me go "Oh wow I really need to stop what im doing to watch this". Select NXT episodes and any Takeovers have that feel cus the guys and gals always put on great performances and stories but nothing on the main shows can grab my interest for any amount of time anymore.
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Post by Chip on Jun 12, 2019 23:32:24 GMT -5
The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. And ten years ago, you still complained about every show. Which you also did before the wildcard rule came in. So using that as a reason for hating the WWE product only really works if you started hating it in the last couple of months. When you’ve complained about it for a decade or two, it probably wasn’t the wildcard rule all along, Austin!And yet, completely self-defeating when it shows that they actually used more SmackDown wrestlers this week than they did in the episode from ten years ago. There are more wrestlers not used because the roster is bigger. thats right... i completely forgot the WWE is amazing. and literally everything they've ever done is perfect. also forgot that all i ever do is complain. ive never said anything good about the product in the last 10 years. you must be a loyal follower and subscriber to my posts!! i didnt realize you have a bank of everything ive ever said about the WWE and that it's all been nothing but complaints! how silly of me. im just a silly goose. i didnt even remember that no one is ever allowed to complain about something they don't like or dont find entertaining in wrestling. or allowed to complain about something they think is wrong. i forgot you're supposed to just watch the show and love everything because its all perfect. thank you for reminding me, and thank you for bringing it up like you do in every thread. its just so refreshing to read comments from someone who is always right about everything. you rarely see that nowadays. |
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Post by Chip on Jun 12, 2019 23:35:17 GMT -5
way to completely miss the point..... the roster is way bigger today. yet there were 6 people who are "designated" RAW superstars that appeared on Smackdown this week, between them and all the additional videos/promos it leaves 31 people out of the show. Only 3 more SD guys were used than the random episode he looked at from 2009, yet HALF the amount of people were not used. The POINT of this thread is the fact that 10 years ago, WWE booked Smackdown properly, with its OWN roster and a show that didn't give time to RAW superstars and recaps. The number of people who appeared is just for reference purpose and is more about the people not used than the ones who were. Wasn’t it said a few weeks after the shakeup that the Networks were demanding certain superstars to be on the show and that’s why they came up with the wildcard rule? So if that’s the case they are doing the best they can to get as much talent featured as possible. Because they are keeping it two brands so more talent can be featured yet they are also giving the network the guys they asked for. But if it was all one brand again then a lot more talent wouldn’t be seen. But yeah they need to stop recapping everything that has happened in the course of the night. And especially when they recap the PPV’s on both shows. An they need to cut down on so many WWE 24/7 segments there’s no need to have more than one segment on each show. Also is Black injured? He hasn’t wrestled in ages yet Ricochet is featured every week. yeah i mean i always take "reports" with a grain of salt, but supposedly USA said they needed the big stars on both shows every week. my response to that would be if they put actual effort into some of the guys they could have more than just 3 or 4 "big stars"...but apparently thats difficult for WWE creative and Vince doesn't really care anyway the recaps are really overkill at this point, its like every segment, every match. i understand the need in some cases, but they are waaaaay overboard with it lately and Black isn't hurt, I think they *cough*Vince*cough* just dont know what to do with him (shocker) so they said "hey lets have you cut some dark promos and then we'll figure out who we want your first real main roster feud to be with at some point" |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jun 13, 2019 3:10:11 GMT -5
10 years ago the wwe creative was pretty bad. 10 years later it's much worse! People seem to forget this, except for Orton’s RTWM, Taker/HBK at WM25, Y2J/Mysterio feud and Punk’s heel turn, 2009 pretty much sucked 🤷🏽♂️ Also I find it hilarious that OP made a thread because his post got ignored in the SmackDown thread 😂 not everything needs to be a thread, guys... 🤦🏽♂️ |
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