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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 1, 2019 17:49:38 GMT -5
The Dems CAN beat Trump. Bernie can beat Trump. Biden (blech) would make it close race. Gabbard has a decent shot at being competitive because of her military background. Bernie/Gabbard/Buttigieg in any combination would make a very solid ticket. Mobilize the youth vote, which is the most important. Millenials can easily counteract the Boomer vote. They may be living longer, but there's more of us. Mobilize the minority vote if Gabbard is on the ticket. Mobilize (a solid bit of) the military vote because of Gabbard and Buttigieg. Mobilize the female vote (who outnumber the male vote) in theory with Gabbard. The LGBTQAI+ already support Bernie but Buttigieg would put them in a frenzy. The pieces are there for the Dems to win. It's just up to the DNC to not eff it up like they did handing Clinton the nom on a silver platter, and to not fall into the Trump trap. Despite the catchphrase "when they go low, we go high," sometimes you have to go low against this guy, but you have to make him go and sink lower and expose it. Maybe if Democrats would stop calling everyone racist and falling into Trump's traps they'd stand a chance. Problem is, they're so desperate to disagree with him about EVERYTHING that it won't happen. The guy got them to defend MS13, more recently Baltimore and Al Sharpton. It's been 3 years of it now. This is their problem. No actual platform or policies, just a bunch of highly unlikeable, crooked career politicians who pander to identity politics and dislike Trump. "Stop calling everything racist." Trump: "Mexico is sending r*pists." "Baaaad hombres." "Sh*thole countries." "Travel bans, not religious, I swear." (Or something to the like I forget that exact quote verbatim.) "Go back to where you came from." (That last one gets me because 3/4 are American born, and one of the women he was attacking is from his same city.) I don't want this to degenerate too far more, please, we're keeping it civil and in happy about that. But you can't not call a spade a spade. Even if you agree with what he's saying, you can't tell me those comments, in or out of context, can't be seen as racist, or at the VERY least towing the VERY thin line. Come on, man. Especially now that he's attacking Cummings and his city, only because of Cummings' vocal calls for impeachment. There are two people that it's fine to disagree with and call out when they're wrong, but do not harass or toss racially insinuated remarks at (not that anyone should ever stoop that low but here we are). Cummings and Lewis. I disagree with those two on a lot of issues, but as a history professor who has a major focus on the Civil Rights Movement, I can't not be quiet about any remarks about them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 18:13:53 GMT -5
Maybe if Democrats would stop calling everyone racist and falling into Trump's traps they'd stand a chance. Problem is, they're so desperate to disagree with him about EVERYTHING that it won't happen. The guy got them to defend MS13, more recently Baltimore and Al Sharpton. It's been 3 years of it now. This is their problem. No actual platform or policies, just a bunch of highly unlikeable, crooked career politicians who pander to identity politics and dislike Trump. "Stop calling everything racist." Trump: "Mexico is sending r*pists." "Baaaad hombres." "Sh*thole countries." "Travel bans, not religious, I swear." (Or something to the like I forget that exact quote verbatim.) "Go back to where you came from." (That last one gets me because 3/4 are American born, and one of the women he was attacking is from his same city.) I don't want this to degenerate too far more, please, we're keeping it civil and in happy about that. But you can't not call a spade a spade. Even if you agree with what he's saying, you can't tell me those comments, in or out of context, can't be seen as racist, or at the VERY least towing the VERY thin line. Come on, man. Especially now that he's attacking Cummings and his city, only because of Cummings' vocal calls for impeachment. There are two people that it's fine to disagree with and call out when they're wrong, but do not harass or toss racially insinuated remarks at (not that anyone should ever stoop that low but here we are). Cummings and Lewis. I disagree with those two on a lot of issues, but as a history professor who has a major focus on the Civil Rights Movement, I can't not be quiet about any remarks about them. I'm talking a lot more generally than that in regards to calling everything racist. CNN posted an article today calling white robots, racist. Even Nancy Pelosi was just called racist by AOC. The travel ban was very poorly handled, but people overlook that it came from a list of countries the Obama administration had deemed dangerous, and didn't include the vast majority of the world's Muslims, or Islamic majority countries. I think you're also taking much of what he says out of context or making it seem far worse than it is. He doesn't have much tact, but calling MS13 bad hombres isn't racist. Some countries are veritable crapholes. He words his stuff poorly and he has no tact, I won't argue with you there. He's done and said a lot I disagree with but the guy is clearly not a racist. This is where the left is failing so much right now. The amount of times I've seen a faux outrage moment, only to dig slightly deeper and see that the situation was manipulated to create controversy is too many to count. The guy couldn't even feed goldfish in China without that happening... It actually hides his real shortcomings. They're handing him his victory on a platter. Created so many lies about him that any devious truths are going to be taken with a massive degree of skepticism by anyone unbridled by their hatred of him. Words like Racist, Nazi, Islamaphobe, Xenophobe, Fascist have absolutely no value whatsoever anymore. But Democrats are still pushing those buttons and it's all they're pushing. It'd be great to get an actual legitimate moderate Democrat who has an agenda to challenge Trump but I don't see that happening. At this rate, I could see a Trump win by a bigger margin than last time, and potentially a Republican as #46.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Aug 1, 2019 18:54:38 GMT -5
All these past few years have been is an overcorrection, forced or unforced. If you run off the road while driving, you don't jerk the wheel in the other direction. It's best to not come off as in-your-face when it comes to steer people away from their oft-misguided beliefs, but that sure isn't happening now. Biden-Harris I felt coming in would be the strongest ticket but now I have no hope in anyone. All the in-house mudslinging has existed in politics for ages, but now is not the time for that. Leave the oppo to the oppo, and push for some common ground that only the most jaded and misinformed can refuse.
My hopes, as you may tell, are not very high...
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 1, 2019 19:00:03 GMT -5
The LGBTQAI+ already support Bernie but Buttigieg would put them in a frenzy. Presumptions like this, I think, are about as reliable as polling studies, and I wouldn't bank on that second bit in the least. Of the folks I know throughout the community, for every two that feel that driven kinship with Mayor Pete, I know like, six who detest him for a variety of reasons. A big notion I've picked up on is that they almost feel pandered to - as if their voting standards are being minimized to nothing more than a candidate's sexuality. I see the same with some of the female candidates - for every few I know that WILL vote Warren or Tulsi or Gillibrand or whomever solely on the basis of shattering ceilings and all that, I know several more who feel it's demeaning that such a vote be expected of them...as if they're perceived to be incapable of making an otherwise educated vote. Like I said - the rule book is out. I think elections as we know them are at an end, and 2016 was the start of an arc toward....something new. I don't know if it's the blurring of party lines, or the eventuality of a new party, or a heightened sense of either voter apathy or voter engagement, but I think that, for certain, everything everyone thought they knew about elections barely exists, if at all, anymore.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 1, 2019 20:02:58 GMT -5
The LGBTQAI+ already support Bernie but Buttigieg would put them in a frenzy. Presumptions like this, I think, are about as reliable as polling studies, and I wouldn't bank on that second bit in the least. Of the folks I know throughout the community, for every two that feel that driven kinship with Mayor Pete, I know like, six who detest him for a variety of reasons. A big notion I've picked up on is that they almost feel pandered to - as if their voting standards are being minimized to nothing more than a candidate's sexuality. I see the same with some of the female candidates - for every few I know that WILL vote Warren or Tulsi or Gillibrand or whomever solely on the basis of shattering ceilings and all that, I know several more who feel it's demeaning that such a vote be expected of them...as if they're perceived to be incapable of making an otherwise educated vote. Like I said - the rule book is out. I think elections as we know them are at an end, and 2016 was the start of an arc toward....something new. I don't know if it's the blurring of party lines, or the eventuality of a new party, or a heightened sense of either voter apathy or voter engagement, but I think that, for certain, everything everyone thought they knew about elections barely exists, if at all, anymore. But one could argue that Obama was elected based on identity politics, too
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 1, 2019 20:17:56 GMT -5
Presumptions like this, I think, are about as reliable as polling studies, and I wouldn't bank on that second bit in the least. Of the folks I know throughout the community, for every two that feel that driven kinship with Mayor Pete, I know like, six who detest him for a variety of reasons. A big notion I've picked up on is that they almost feel pandered to - as if their voting standards are being minimized to nothing more than a candidate's sexuality. I see the same with some of the female candidates - for every few I know that WILL vote Warren or Tulsi or Gillibrand or whomever solely on the basis of shattering ceilings and all that, I know several more who feel it's demeaning that such a vote be expected of them...as if they're perceived to be incapable of making an otherwise educated vote. Like I said - the rule book is out. I think elections as we know them are at an end, and 2016 was the start of an arc toward....something new. I don't know if it's the blurring of party lines, or the eventuality of a new party, or a heightened sense of either voter apathy or voter engagement, but I think that, for certain, everything everyone thought they knew about elections barely exists, if at all, anymore. But one could argue that Obama was elected based on identity politics, too Not wrong. I have few qualms with Obama. But to deny that identity politics wasn't a factor would be ignorant. Hell, ERB on YouTube did an Obama vs. Romney video. Mind you ERB is VERY Democratic when they go at politics, even in a joking manner. But one of the lines the guy who played Romney said was, "Come on, we all know what went down in that 2008 election. You're a decent politician, with a winning complexion." Even two super white, diehard Obama supporters couldn't deny that aspect of his, at least initial, victory. Maybe his second too, but I think the assassination of Osama bin-Laden and the 11th hour surprisingly positive unemployment drop cemented the second win.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 1, 2019 20:18:42 GMT -5
Maybe if Democrats would stop calling everyone racist and falling into Trump's traps they'd stand a chance. Problem is, they're so desperate to disagree with him about EVERYTHING that it won't happen. The guy got them to defend MS13, more recently Baltimore and Al Sharpton. It's been 3 years of it now. This is their problem. No actual platform or policies, just a bunch of highly unlikeable, crooked career politicians who pander to identity politics and dislike Trump. "Stop calling everything racist." Trump: "Mexico is sending r*pists." "Baaaad hombres." "Sh*thole countries." "Travel bans, not religious, I swear." (Or something to the like I forget that exact quote verbatim.) "Go back to where you came from." (That last one gets me because 3/4 are American born, and one of the women he was attacking is from his same city.) I don't want this to degenerate too far more, please, we're keeping it civil and in happy about that. But you can't not call a spade a spade. Even if you agree with what he's saying, you can't tell me those comments, in or out of context, can't be seen as racist, or at the VERY least towing the VERY thin line. Come on, man. Especially now that he's attacking Cummings and his city, only because of Cummings' vocal calls for impeachment. There are two people that it's fine to disagree with and call out when they're wrong, but do not harass or toss racially insinuated remarks at (not that anyone should ever stoop that low but here we are). Cummings and Lewis. I disagree with those two on a lot of issues, but as a history professor who has a major focus on the Civil Rights Movement, I can't not be quiet about any remarks about them. To be fair, his comment about "Mexico is sending..." while not exactly politically correct, it wasnt racist at all. Everyone (well almost) can clearly understand he's talking about illegals crossing the boarder. He narrowed it down to a specific group. If he would have said "All Mexicans, native & immigrants are rapists blah blah blah"...then yea I would totally see that as racist. The problem is people rarely dont listen to what he actually says. Random media will take what he says, clip it to fit an agenda and then start spounting "RACIST"...then the casual news listener hears that and goes "God hes a racist" yet they never actually heard what Trump actually said. That was the problem with the 2016 Election and its been a problem since. People allow themselves to be fed soundbites and dont actually listen to the whole thing and think for themselves. All that being said. Seeing how the Electoral map looked in 2016, I see absolutely no reason why Trump shouldnt easily coast to another win. There's not really a Dem Ive seen that can pick up those red spots around the country. Democrats occupy large cities like NY, LA, Chicago etc but the map clearly showed outside of major metros, the country was solidly behind Trump. The fact that the economy is booming, unemployment is down, work force is high and ISIS is pretty much non existent, get comfortable for 4 more years. After that with the window open, I can see a Dem taking the office again in 2024.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 1, 2019 20:26:21 GMT -5
Presumptions like this, I think, are about as reliable as polling studies, and I wouldn't bank on that second bit in the least. Of the folks I know throughout the community, for every two that feel that driven kinship with Mayor Pete, I know like, six who detest him for a variety of reasons. A big notion I've picked up on is that they almost feel pandered to - as if their voting standards are being minimized to nothing more than a candidate's sexuality. I see the same with some of the female candidates - for every few I know that WILL vote Warren or Tulsi or Gillibrand or whomever solely on the basis of shattering ceilings and all that, I know several more who feel it's demeaning that such a vote be expected of them...as if they're perceived to be incapable of making an otherwise educated vote. Like I said - the rule book is out. I think elections as we know them are at an end, and 2016 was the start of an arc toward....something new. I don't know if it's the blurring of party lines, or the eventuality of a new party, or a heightened sense of either voter apathy or voter engagement, but I think that, for certain, everything everyone thought they knew about elections barely exists, if at all, anymore. But one could argue that Obama was elected based on identity politics, too Totally. Identity politics will always be *A* factor. I just think, as time goes on, it will be less and less of *the* factor. A buddy of mine who happens to be gay eloquently framed it in the context of "just because he's gay doesn't mean he's not an assh*le".
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 1, 2019 23:23:07 GMT -5
None of the candidates are that inspiring, though everyone of them is more intelligent than the bumbling oaf in office.
Bernie and Warren are too far left and saying things that just aren't going to happen, but people seem to vote for what they want to hear, not reality. Lying worked really well in the last election.
Sadly there is so much deep-seated hatred in this world that indecency appears to be acceptable these days. People's ugliness isn't all that different from back in the 60s or in the 20s or whenever they've lashed out against anybody who doesn't look the same. But it's disgraceful and pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 2:53:24 GMT -5
None of the candidates are that inspiring, though everyone of them is more intelligent than the bumbling oaf in office. Bernie and Warren are too far left and saying things that just aren't going to happen, but people seem to vote for what they want to hear, not reality. Lying worked really well in the last election. Sadly there is so much deep-seated hatred in this world that indecency appears to be acceptable these days. People's ugliness isn't all that different from back in the 60s or in the 20s or whenever they've lashed out against anybody who doesn't look the same. But it's disgraceful and pathetic. I thought Warren would have stood a chance to secure her nomination until the whole native american thing blew up in her face. After that, the video with her thanking her husband for being in her home made her fail to look like a real human being. I think it'll be Biden.
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Post by RSCTom on Aug 2, 2019 8:48:46 GMT -5
The Native American thing, skin color and identity politics in general, are an immensely stupid thing to base your vote off of. I have a hard time even discussing it at this point in my life. People are still teaching their children dumb things about the differences people have and until that stops, we're not going to get anywhere.
Also, if the call I think I'm reading is that people voted for Obama based on his skin color, there are people that regularly vote for white candidates for exactly that reason which is just as dumb.
Elizabeth Warren is a brilliant woman. She seems genuine to me, she intelligently looks at what she's laying out and she has plans and process for everything at this point and I can't even get excited about that because people are more concerned with how 'weird' they think she is when she webcasts herself having a beer or bringing up the Native American thing like it matters one way or the other. THIS is the real societal issue in that we've gone so deep into shallow existences that bluster seems to be what matters and that's why we have a 'bigly' failed businessman and a glorified TV producer in the White House instead of someone who can actually do some good.
Again, I would vote for a sea urchin if their policies reflected change that gets money out of politics, fairly reassembles voting on a national level and most of all, keeps people like Brett Kavanaugh, Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell or any other snake who utilizes religion and/or false patriotism to attack anyone who disagrees with them hopefully eventually out of politics for good. It's old, it's disgusting and it makes me want to leave a country I have really loved and feel fortunate to have grown up with (older family members are WW vets, I'm the great great grandson of a slave, the list goes on. I am here and free because of them and no one can take that from me no matter how much I disagree with what they say).
I'm not going to sit back and listen to any of the nonsense Republicans spew about 'Democrats not having plans', because they do...they just aren't plans that line their and their lobbyists pockets and aren't plans that have any real backing for old, tired business we are long overdue in moving on from. It baffles me how, year after year, election after election, people can eat up the same Republican charade masked as patriotism and just constantly lose their own money, health, quality of life to 'win at politics' and feel good about arguing with their friends and family when in actuality they could be learning a new trade BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT, actually feel like they're helping out and moving forward with the rest of the world.
That said, I don't feel like the mud slinging has gotten TOO bad when it comes to these debates so far. The air is starting to clear with the most recent one and there is a lot of agreement on stage about a lot of good things and a lot of civil discussion. IT'S NIGHT AND DAY COMPARED TO THE LAST REPUBLICAN DEBATES.
Like talk about selling your soul to the devil...absolutely anyone who saw the way Trump behaved during those debates, before, after, since, and still can willingly vote for him just really boggles my mind.
My biggest issue so far is the fact that the Green New Deal or anything in line with it is being brought up as 'fantasy'. So many companies, corporations, places that have provided jobs in the past have been forced OUT of existence because they are no longer relevant and no one has batted an eyelash. To keep things like coal, fossil fuel auto and anything else that should go the way of the dinosaur for both HEALTH and EXISTENCE reasons around just so the people already involved in them can continue to make money is bafflingly stupid. There is absolutely no reason we can't transition these things out, create new jobs for others and let the people at the top of the mountain when it comes to those sectors DEAL WITH IT. They are owed nothing. That is capitalism. It isn't taking advantage of the system, it's the fact that you have to adapt or you fall by the wayside and we will continue to improve when that happens, if it ever does.
If not, I will see you guys in 50 years and we will all talk about how unbearably hot it is outside and hopefully by then our grandkids have some sort of injection that protects them and are boarding a spaceship of some kind to work towards leaving. If it gets like that, I will die happy knowing I was on the right side of history and everyone who wasn't, I hope you can look your descendants in the eye without immense shame and guilt, but if you do feel those things, you deserve them.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Aug 2, 2019 14:23:21 GMT -5
I don't follow politics, but it seems (especially with the last U.S. election) that the choice of the final candidates is like someone saying "Would you like a knitting needle in your ear, a corkscrew under your toenail or the soles of your feet scraped off?"
All hail Kodos!
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Post by Quazimoto on Aug 2, 2019 17:03:03 GMT -5
The Native American thing, skin color and identity politics in general, are an immensely stupid thing to base your vote off of. I have a hard time even discussing it at this point in my life. People are still teaching their children dumb things about the differences people have and until that stops, we're not going to get anywhere. Also, if the call I think I'm reading is that people voted for Obama based on his skin color, there are people that regularly vote for white candidates for exactly that reason which is just as dumb. Elizabeth Warren is a brilliant woman. She seems genuine to me, she intelligently looks at what she's laying out and she has plans and process for everything at this point and I can't even get excited about that because people are more concerned with how 'weird' they think she is when she webcasts herself having a beer or bringing up the Native American thing like it matters one way or the other. THIS is the real societal issue in that we've gone so deep into shallow existences that bluster seems to be what matters and that's why we have a 'bigly' failed businessman and a glorified TV producer in the White House instead of someone who can actually do some good. Again, I would vote for a sea urchin if their policies reflected change that gets money out of politics, fairly reassembles voting on a national level and most of all, keeps people like Brett Kavanaugh, Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell or any other snake who utilizes religion and/or false patriotism to attack anyone who disagrees with them hopefully eventually out of politics for good. It's old, it's disgusting and it makes me want to leave a country I have really loved and feel fortunate to have grown up with (older family members are WW vets, I'm the great great grandson of a slave, the list goes on. I am here and free because of them and no one can take that from me no matter how much I disagree with what they say). I'm not going to sit back and listen to any of the nonsense Republicans spew about 'Democrats not having plans', because they do...they just aren't plans that line their and their lobbyists pockets and aren't plans that have any real backing for old, tired business we are long overdue in moving on from. It baffles me how, year after year, election after election, people can eat up the same Republican charade masked as patriotism and just constantly lose their own money, health, quality of life to 'win at politics' and feel good about arguing with their friends and family when in actuality they could be learning a new trade BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT, actually feel like they're helping out and moving forward with the rest of the world. That said, I don't feel like the mud slinging has gotten TOO bad when it comes to these debates so far. The air is starting to clear with the most recent one and there is a lot of agreement on stage about a lot of good things and a lot of civil discussion. IT'S NIGHT AND DAY COMPARED TO THE LAST REPUBLICAN DEBATES. Like talk about selling your soul to the devil...absolutely anyone who saw the way Trump behaved during those debates, before, after, since, and still can willingly vote for him just really boggles my mind. My biggest issue so far is the fact that the Green New Deal or anything in line with it is being brought up as 'fantasy'. So many companies, corporations, places that have provided jobs in the past have been forced OUT of existence because they are no longer relevant and no one has batted an eyelash. To keep things like coal, fossil fuel auto and anything else that should go the way of the dinosaur for both HEALTH and EXISTENCE reasons around just so the people already involved in them can continue to make money is bafflingly stupid. There is absolutely no reason we can't transition these things out, create new jobs for others and let the people at the top of the mountain when it comes to those sectors DEAL WITH IT. They are owed nothing. That is capitalism. It isn't taking advantage of the system, it's the fact that you have to adapt or you fall by the wayside and we will continue to improve when that happens, if it ever does. If not, I will see you guys in 50 years and we will all talk about how unbearably hot it is outside and hopefully by then our grandkids have some sort of injection that protects them and are boarding a spaceship of some kind to work towards leaving. If it gets like that, I will die happy knowing I was on the right side of history and everyone who wasn't, I hope you can look your descendants in the eye without immense shame and guilt, but if you do feel those things, you deserve them. Fantastic post... If more people thought and acted like this we, as a society and a world, would truly be evolving and on our way to a bright future instead of allowing our souls to decay as our humanity erodes and our planet is destroyed.
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Post by drifter on Aug 2, 2019 20:05:04 GMT -5
Haven't watched the debates, just read the occasional articles of key point from it. At this point, politics is just a huge headache, and even though, I do vote regularly, debates, especially this far out, I just don't follow. And the thing is too, they can talk all about what they will do, if they get the job, and that changes once they get the job. The sad thing is, the state of it today, where there is no working together. It used to be, you'd have the different sides, but they would at least try to find compromises and come to some middle ground in an attempt to get things done. Now, and this is even long before you had Trump on the scene, it's one side, trying to paint the other side as this American hating villain. It's not, what's best for America as a whole, it's what's best for America for the people that are on our sides. For me, I'm registered as independent, and give the finger to both sides. When, or should I say, if they do something right, I will give the credit where it's do, but sadly that's become few and far between. In 2019, the base, for key figures, really screams cult like, where they will defend their man, or their woman, to no end, and never admit any faults, even when they're clear as day. I swear there are some days, it feels like if the Founding Fathers had a crystal ball, and saw into the present day, they would have waved the white flag, and we'd still just be British colonies. And a sad part of what's turned politics into the way it is now, is the news media. I know Trump likes to go after those, media groups that don't support him as an enemy of the people, but any news organization that shows bias to the left or the right, as far as I'm concerned, would be an enemy to the people. They are supposed to be the impartial voice, presenting the facts, not the cheerleaders for one side of the other.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 2, 2019 20:56:35 GMT -5
Haven't watched the debates, just read the occasional articles of key point from it. At this point, politics is just a huge headache, and even though, I do vote regularly, debates, especially this far out, I just don't follow. And the thing is too, they can talk all about what they will do, if they get the job, and that changes once they get the job. The sad thing is, the state of it today, where there is no working together. It used to be, you'd have the different sides, but they would at least try to find compromises and come to some middle ground in an attempt to get things done. Now, and this is even long before you had Trump on the scene, it's one side, trying to paint the other side as this American hating villain. It's not, what's best for America as a whole, it's what's best for America for the people that are on our sides. For me, I'm registered as independent, and give the finger to both sides. When, or should I say, if they do something right, I will give the credit where it's do, but sadly that's become few and far between. In 2019, the base, for key figures, really screams cult like, where they will defend their man, or their woman, to no end, and never admit any faults, even when they're clear as day. I swear there are some days, it feels like if the Founding Fathers had a crystal ball, and saw into the present day, they would have waved the white flag, and we'd still just be British colonies. And a sad part of what's turned politics into the way it is now, is the news media. I know Trump likes to go after those, media groups that don't support him as an enemy of the people, but any news organization that shows bias to the left or the right, as far as I'm concerned, would be an enemy to the people. They are supposed to be the impartial voice, presenting the facts, not the cheerleaders for one side of the other. There's really no reason to watch debates right now. Essentially 20 people are trashing each other until we're down to 1. Then that one is going to trash Trump & Trump is going to Trash them...Ultimately just wait till Oct/Nov and get the cliff notes
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Post by disorder on Aug 4, 2019 7:44:37 GMT -5
All these debates and candidates will be the downfall of the dems again this year.
They are all just creating talking points against one another. Also, we are going to have another situation where people would rather vote or vote third party because their choice didn’t get the nom.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 4, 2019 15:05:06 GMT -5
The biggest problem with all of this:
Not a single one of these people, on either side, give a damn about me, you, or anyone we know. They are all interested in what benefits them and their friends. They all take bribes, payouts, side deals, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Throw all the sugar you want on a turd, it's still a pile crap.
Trump is the bad guy and there are always new reasons being made up for this. But here is the thing...he isnt the bad guy because hes bad, noooooo, hes the bad guy because he isnt the lefts guy. Because for 8 years all I heard was how awful Bush was.
But ask the right and Obama was a racist and Clinton was a scumbag.
THEY ARE ALL ALL JOKES. All of them. They'd feed you to literal beasts in a second, and you all defend them like friends and family.
No wonder this country is imploding.
I'm sure people will crap on this. I dont care. I'm not gonna argue with anyone, as anyone who doesnt realize this is beneath arguing with.
Yall just pray I never rise to power.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Aug 5, 2019 19:07:01 GMT -5
The biggest problem with all of this: Not a single one of these people, on either side, give a damn about me, you, or anyone we know. They are all interested in what benefits them and their friends. They all take bribes, payouts, side deals, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Throw all the sugar you want on a turd, it's still a pile crap. Trump is the bad guy and there are always new reasons being made up for this. But here is the thing...he isnt the bad guy because hes bad, noooooo, hes the bad guy because he isnt the lefts guy. Because for 8 years all I heard was how awful Bush was. But ask the right and Obama was a racist and Clinton was a scumbag. THEY ARE ALL ALL JOKES. All of them. They'd feed you to literal beasts in a second, and you all defend them like friends and family. No wonder this country is imploding. I'm sure people will crap on this. I dont care. I'm not gonna argue with anyone, as anyone who doesnt realize this is beneath arguing with. Yall just pray I never rise to power. We never see eye to eye on anything but holy Mcshtbiscuit Batman! I agree People will ride or die on politics. C’mon. I work around a ton of religions and ethnicities and what not. People get along. They laugh and learn about eachother The world is only horrible when you watch the news and follow politics Face facts. The government has ed this county. Quit voting for people who are trying to get into office for themselves. Not any of us
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Post by disorder on Aug 6, 2019 14:17:02 GMT -5
The biggest problem with all of this: Not a single one of these people, on either side, give a damn about me, you, or anyone we know. They are all interested in what benefits them and their friends. They all take bribes, payouts, side deals, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Throw all the sugar you want on a turd, it's still a pile crap. Trump is the bad guy and there are always new reasons being made up for this. But here is the thing...he isnt the bad guy because hes bad, noooooo, hes the bad guy because he isnt the lefts guy. Because for 8 years all I heard was how awful Bush was. But ask the right and Obama was a racist and Clinton was a scumbag. THEY ARE ALL ALL JOKES. All of them. They'd feed you to literal beasts in a second, and you all defend them like friends and family. No wonder this country is imploding. I'm sure people will crap on this. I dont care. I'm not gonna argue with anyone, as anyone who doesnt realize this is beneath arguing with. Yall just pray I never rise to power. You really can’t act as if there isn’t reasons to say trump is a bad guy. He’s gives a new reason once a week. Both sides make excuses for their people and it’s disgusting.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 6, 2019 17:56:03 GMT -5
The biggest problem with all of this: Not a single one of these people, on either side, give a damn about me, you, or anyone we know. They are all interested in what benefits them and their friends. They all take bribes, payouts, side deals, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Throw all the sugar you want on a turd, it's still a pile crap. Trump is the bad guy and there are always new reasons being made up for this. But here is the thing...he isnt the bad guy because hes bad, noooooo, hes the bad guy because he isnt the lefts guy. Because for 8 years all I heard was how awful Bush was. But ask the right and Obama was a racist and Clinton was a scumbag. THEY ARE ALL ALL JOKES. All of them. They'd feed you to literal beasts in a second, and you all defend them like friends and family. No wonder this country is imploding. I'm sure people will crap on this. I dont care. I'm not gonna argue with anyone, as anyone who doesnt realize this is beneath arguing with. Yall just pray I never rise to power. You really can’t act as if there isn’t reasons to say trump is a bad guy. He’s gives a new reason once a week. Both sides make excuses for their people and it’s disgusting. Never said anything to that effect. Said they are all awful. All of them . Trump. Romney. Obama. Clinton. Bush. AOC. All of them. What I can say is that he is no worse than the one the left put him up against in 2016. And that's why hes here. Because even a half decent candidate probably wins the election. But they chose...Killary.
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