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Post by T R W on Aug 6, 2019 19:56:52 GMT -5
I'd vote for the world to end over Trump.
I used to believe I could find common ground with anyone from any political spectrum, but the current GOP and Trump have proven me wrong. If at this point in time today, you STILL support Donald Trump, you are either stupid, or an awful person, or both.
I used to be a registered member of the GOP, and man, I look back ashamed of myself.
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Post by disorder on Aug 6, 2019 20:50:35 GMT -5
You really can’t act as if there isn’t reasons to say trump is a bad guy. He’s gives a new reason once a week. Both sides make excuses for their people and it’s disgusting. Never said anything to that effect. Said they are all awful. All of them . Trump. Romney. Obama. Clinton. Bush. AOC. All of them. What I can say is that he is no worse than the one the left put him up against in 2016. And that's why hes here. Because even a half decent candidate probably wins the election. But they chose...Killary. Well the electoral college system is why he’s here. They are all crap, but there are a few that are true. I don’t know why you’d say AOC. She is nothing but the complete opposite of everyone you’ve mentioned
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Post by disorder on Aug 6, 2019 20:51:06 GMT -5
I'd vote for the world to end over Trump. I used to believe I could find common ground with anyone from any political spectrum, but the current GOP and Trump have proven me wrong. If at this point in time today, you STILL support Donald Trump, you are either stupid, or an awful person, or both. I used to be a registered member of the GOP, and man, I look back ashamed of myself. Preach it brother!!!
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Post by LaParka on Aug 6, 2019 21:59:26 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to always bring up AOC. She's the most decent person in the whole political field and the only one I actually care about.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 6, 2019 22:36:19 GMT -5
I have strong feeling Trump is going to win 2020. The man has adapted to take on moderate causes and blend with them from his State of the Union. It's amazing to see the GOP hasn't attacked him for him not getting what he said he wanted to get done. Not much of the wall has really been built. The Muslim bans, ''stopping'' illegal immigration, etc. Of course the GOP can of course fall on ''Liberals are blocking him'', ''He will get it done'', etc. But George W. Bush was ate alive for certain things that didn't really workout. Of course the GOP's more radical wing has been in the driver seat past 2012. And the party has moved more toward really confused set of Authoritarian values. The GOP really hasn't been overall conservative in super long time. I don't even consider Reagan purely conservative. Libertarians follow a much more Conservative doctrine. I think without competent face charging Trump, he's going to win. He's able to get the middle line, he still has the GOP behind him, and I think America isn't done with the ''Trump experiment''. I hate to say that. And the only benefit of him, we have even more definition of the struggles that we are going to face and need to work on in America I don't want Trump to win, but I think it's going to be hard fight for anything no matter what kind of Democrat come at him.
Everything on both sides is disgusting me. I do lean left, but it's more of a point then I sit in that direction. I am so sick of the concealed social racist tendencies on both sides. And I think that's been the most discouraging part for me.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Aug 6, 2019 22:37:26 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to always bring up AOC. She's the most decent person in the whole political field and the only one I actually care about. Because she is so outspoken and apparently so progressive and the complete opposite of what you'd think a politician looks like. One branch of the news media feels obligated to talk about her and practically apologize for anything she does or says, the other branch vilifies her and ties the entire other party to her when they talk about the o' so scary ideas that benefit more than the rich and powerful.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 6, 2019 22:53:59 GMT -5
The biggest problem with all of this: Not a single one of these people, on either side, give a damn about me, you, or anyone we know. They are all interested in what benefits them and their friends. They all take bribes, payouts, side deals, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Throw all the sugar you want on a turd, it's still a pile crap. Trump is the bad guy and there are always new reasons being made up for this. But here is the thing...he isnt the bad guy because hes bad, noooooo, hes the bad guy because he isnt the lefts guy. Because for 8 years all I heard was how awful Bush was. But ask the right and Obama was a racist and Clinton was a scumbag. THEY ARE ALL ALL JOKES. All of them. They'd feed you to literal beasts in a second, and you all defend them like friends and family. No wonder this country is imploding. I'm sure people will crap on this. I dont care. I'm not gonna argue with anyone, as anyone who doesnt realize this is beneath arguing with. Yall just pray I never rise to power. We never see eye to eye on anything but holy Mcshtbiscuit Batman! I agree People will ride or die on politics. C’mon. I work around a ton of religions and ethnicities and what not. People get along. They laugh and learn about eachother The world is only horrible when you watch the news and follow politics Face facts. The government has ed this county. Quit voting for people who are trying to get into office for themselves. Not any of us It's a sport for crooks. The closest thing to purely good man in Washington was Jimmy Carter. I can ask for a real strong person, Smart, intelligent, goes beyond class, beyond race, beyond culture dived , and they are not going to exist. Struggle and drama sells. All this sh** is sold to us. We go to war. We go to war for resources. It's simple. Wars aren't fought for democracy, religion, liberation it's all about resources. Every war we fought and every war fought it's about resources. The American Revolution happened because rich colony subjects of the British Empire didn't wanna pay taxes. You sell democracy to the uneducated. It's just tyrants taking tyrants out of power. America's place in WW2 was to capitalize on the fall of the European Empires markets and economies. The Nazi's were horrific and evil. But horrific and evil goes behind every flag. It's humanities burden. We sold democracy to the 12 million plus who rose to fight in 1942-1945. No system has true justice and functions without the bs. It's the reality humans continue to function with and will function with.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 7, 2019 8:38:37 GMT -5
L O L @ the rabble calling for Joaquin Castro's head over the fact that he published the (completely accessible, total matter of public record) names of Trump's top donors from the San Antonio area (where he and his brother are based).
Life Pro-Tip for anyone considering a financial contribution to a Presidential candidate: United States Campaign Finance Law requires campaigns to collect certain pieces of information from all donors of any amount, including your name, address, occupation, and employer, all of which becomes public record. If at any time you feel that the revelation that you have contributed money to a campaign may prove to be so damning as to damage your personal reputation, a) consider a different candidate, or b) spend your money elsewhere.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Aug 7, 2019 12:35:24 GMT -5
L O L @ the rabble calling for Joaquin Castro's head over the fact that he published the (completely accessible, total matter of public record) names of Trump's top donors from the San Antonio area (where he and his brother are based). Life Pro-Tip for anyone considering a financial contribution to a Presidential candidate: United States Campaign Finance Law requires campaigns to collect certain pieces of information from all donors of any amount, including your name, address, occupation, and employer, all of which becomes public record. If at any time you feel that the revelation that you have contributed money to a campaign may prove to be so damning as to damage your personal reputation, a) consider a different candidate, or b) spend your money elsewhere. It's not like there aren't plenty of loopholes and ways to circumvent these disclosure requirements readily available...
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 7, 2019 17:00:21 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to always bring up AOC. She's the most decent person in the whole political field and the only one I actually care about. It's not like she was singled out. She was mentioned with several other from both sides. It's a business for crooks. Shes in the business. Crushes dont change facts.
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Post by k5 on Aug 7, 2019 18:58:30 GMT -5
Michael Cole says it's trending #1 right now on Youtube!
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 7, 2019 20:08:34 GMT -5
I'd vote for the world to end over Trump. I used to believe I could find common ground with anyone from any political spectrum, but the current GOP and Trump have proven me wrong. If at this point in time today, you STILL support Donald Trump, you are either stupid, or an awful person, or both. I used to be a registered member of the GOP, and man, I look back ashamed of myself. If you dont agree with me, you're stupid & an awful person. And this folks is why politics are as ugly as they are. Because peoples heads are too far up their own asses to be open minded to others views.
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Post by k5 on Aug 7, 2019 20:18:12 GMT -5
I'd vote for the world to end over Trump. I used to believe I could find common ground with anyone from any political spectrum, but the current GOP and Trump have proven me wrong. If at this point in time today, you STILL support Donald Trump, you are either stupid, or an awful person, or both. I used to be a registered member of the GOP, and man, I look back ashamed of myself. If you dont agree with me, you're stupid & an awful person. And this folks is why politics are as ugly as they are. Because peoples heads are too far up their own asses to be open minded to others views. ah, i think politics are as ugly as they are because of the ultra rich paying off the media, lobbyists, and anyone else of influence on both sides. but i get your point - respect in communication is key.
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Post by T R W on Aug 8, 2019 12:39:46 GMT -5
I'd vote for the world to end over Trump. I used to believe I could find common ground with anyone from any political spectrum, but the current GOP and Trump have proven me wrong. If at this point in time today, you STILL support Donald Trump, you are either stupid, or an awful person, or both. I used to be a registered member of the GOP, and man, I look back ashamed of myself. If you dont agree with me, you're stupid & an awful person. And this folks is why politics are as ugly as they are. Because peoples heads are too far up their own asses to be open minded to others views. Normally I would agree with you about that. But what Trump has done and is doing is well beyond the spectrum of normal political discourse. This isn't just standard policy disagreement. This is well beyond that. I take pride in seeing both sides of most arguments. But I cannot for the life of me, think of any reason someone as of today, would support Donald Trump. He is a proven liar, narcissist, opportunist, racist, con man, and sexist. He is an accused rapist, pedophile, domestic abuser, and traitor. He is sewing fear and discord throughout the country with his awful rhetoric. There is no excuse to align yourself with him, unless you think like him. And honestly, if you think like him, that makes you like him. No intelligent person will support him unless they are either ignorant, evil, or racist. It saddens me to no end to see the GOP and their voters willingly aligning themselves with the most vile politician our country has seen in my 44 years of life. Especially as someone who used to be a republican.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Aug 8, 2019 13:26:16 GMT -5
If you dont agree with me, you're stupid & an awful person. And this folks is why politics are as ugly as they are. Because peoples heads are too far up their own asses to be open minded to others views. Normally I would agree with you about that. But what Trump has done and is doing is well beyond the spectrum of normal political discourse. This isn't just standard policy disagreement. This is well beyond that. I take pride in seeing both sides of most arguments. But I cannot for the life of me, think of any reason someone as of today, would support Donald Trump. He is a proven liar, narcissist, opportunist, racist, con man, and sexist. He is an accused rapist, pedophile, domestic abuser, and traitor. He is sewing fear and discord throughout the country with his awful rhetoric. There is no excuse to align yourself with him, unless you think like him. And honestly, if you think like him, that makes you like him. No intelligent person will support him unless they are either ignorant, evil, or racist. It saddens me to no end to see the GOP and their voters willingly aligning themselves with the most vile politician our country has seen in my 44 years of life. Especially as someone who used to be a republican. Agree with ya 100%, but we as a society are SOOOO beyond the point where truth can sway anyone's thoughts or actions now.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 8, 2019 13:33:15 GMT -5
If you dont agree with me, you're stupid & an awful person. And this folks is why politics are as ugly as they are. Because peoples heads are too far up their own asses to be open minded to others views. Normally I would agree with you about that. But what Trump has done and is doing is well beyond the spectrum of normal political discourse. This isn't just standard policy disagreement. This is well beyond that. I take pride in seeing both sides of most arguments. But I cannot for the life of me, think of any reason someone as of today, would support Donald Trump. He is a proven liar, narcissist, opportunist, racist, con man, and sexist. He is an accused rapist, pedophile, domestic abuser, and traitor. He is sewing fear and discord throughout the country with his awful rhetoric. There is no excuse to align yourself with him, unless you think like him. And honestly, if you think like him, that makes you like him. No intelligent person will support him unless they are either ignorant, evil, or racist. It saddens me to no end to see the GOP and their voters willingly aligning themselves with the most vile politician our country has seen in my 44 years of life. Especially as someone who used to be a republican. Helluvan economy tho, amirite?For someone who has disagreed with TRW as often as I have in the past, I feel like he's spot on in his assessment here. The expound upon his points here some, it saddens me that some will point to economic factors as a reason to continue supporting Trump in spite of, well, Trump. That's not to say that the economy isn't a crucial, crucial element of a nation's well-being, but the fact that such prosperity can come at the expense of a baseline degree of human decency, I think, is a sad piece of commentary on our collective ideals as a nation.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 15, 2019 13:03:25 GMT -5
Not to mention the fact that poverty rates have remained virtually unchanged despite big gains overall in the economy. The stock market on its own isn't a good indicator of our economic strength when there are still homeless people, and people dying literally every single day from lack of medical care. Unfortunately, you don't see much (if any) nuanced discussion about this on any of the major outlets.
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Post by CM Poor on Sept 8, 2019 18:25:21 GMT -5
Though not a registered Democrat, I had the opportunity to attend yesterday's State Convention as a guest of the campaign staff for my candidate of choice. The opportunity was there to hear from 19 candidates, but due to the fact that I was there before 7am for visibility purposes and I still had a wife and kid at home vying for some of my time, I only made it through a few, but they were mostly ones that I either hadn't heard from before in person, and all were of the not local variety (Bernie and Warren are basically my neighbors), so appearances aren't as frequent, even with our high positioning in the grand scheme of primaries.
I made it through Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Julián Castro, John Delaney, and Kamala Harris before bailing. For time context, each candidate had one to two local dignitaries speaking in between them, so bit of a long day for a crowd of folk mostly on even keel with one another in terms of message. I thought Biden was dry and weak. Cory slid up a few notches in my overall ranking. Mayor Pete had the largest reaction of the time I was there (Warren and Bernie later dwarfed him, but that was to be expected). Castro has done better, and stumbled toward the beginning, but finished strong. Delaney was a vacuum - more dry and boring. Kamala wasn't that exciting, but I liked her casual tone.
Definitely a day well spent. Assuming the Don wins and I've gotta play the primary game all over again in four years, I'd definitely go back and plan on spending the whole day. Lots of opportunities to meet and greet some of the local dignitaries, which is way more my political bread and butter. I'm still behind my candidate all the way, so no changed minds, but a great opportunity that ranks right up with January 2001 as one of the most Forrest Gump-esque political opportunities I've found myself stumbling into in life.
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Post by Old School Collector on Sept 14, 2019 8:25:17 GMT -5
Errrmyygaawwddd we’re gonna take your assault weapons ! Free Everything for everyone ! Yay NAFTA, lets ruin more American blue collar jobs ! Lets force everyone to drop their private insurance and charge them what we want to! Socialism 👍🏻
I once could have decent discussions with folks on the left ... even agreed with some of their policies and ideas ... hell, I even voted for Obama his first term !
However, that party has become so out of touch with reality that I don’t even think they truly care about American values anymore. All they do is preach anti Trump, that’s literally it. Hell, Biden cant even recall his own lies about health care during the debate 🤦🏼♂️
People need to stop playing victim cards and stop completely siding with a certain party ... just side with whats best for this country ... not to appease other countries or fascist groups.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 14, 2019 11:05:51 GMT -5
People need to stop playing victim cards and stop completely siding with a certain party ... just side with whats best for this country ... not to appease other countries or fascist groups. I agree with this. Some do need to stop portraying themselves as victims and martyrs whenever they receive pushback for enforcing their religion, their values, or their narrow-eyed views on how "best to represent 'Murica". Some do need to stop just voting one way because certain media organizations make them feel comfortable by allowing them to blame all the problems in their lives on "evil foreigners and elitists", and convince them that an (alleged) incompetent, amoral, corrupt, taxdodging, draftdodging, self-serving, small, petty, untruthful, belligerent, inconsistent, ignorant slowmo is the best choice to occupy (what was once) the most powerful office in the world. Some do need to vote according to what would be best for this country, and boot out every single elected official nationwide who has obstructed legislation meant to benefit more than themselves and the lobbying groups who pay them; who has eroded our democratic process in order to ensure their continued stranglehold on power in fear for their own political careers; and who has felt more and more comfortable pandering to a world where the universe revolves around individual one. Some do need to stop encouraging with their apathy or blind faith occupiers of national offices who are currently appeasing any country whose leaders enrich certain establishments or groups of special interest or violent supremacists because they won't jeopardize that type of "support". But as I said before, I don't ever expect that to happen anymore lol
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