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Post by Chip on Sept 15, 2019 21:55:11 GMT -5
the thing with Braun is that they had their chance to capitalize on him a LONG time ago....and they didn't. Now he's just a guy who wrestles and is big and "LOOK AT THE SPEED OF STROWMAN" plus he's been booked in this weird im a babyface but sorta you seth, but still cheer me guys. role so they could what? get the titles off Gallows & Anderson to transition them to Ziggler & Roode? Makes ZERO sense....even worse now. Seth literall just won his title back a month ago, he's not gonna drop it all of a sudden to Braun. they've given Seth horrendous storylines and opponents since Wrestlemania and the wishy-washy booking is terrible. The fans are tired of it because its boring. Seth has no story, his story is "I'm a good wrestler, the fans like me I'm the champ and I'm Becky's fiance" He needs a ing STORY and this thing with Bray/Fiend could be something.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 15, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one that remembers when talent didn’t win the World title right away. Back in my day (I’m old so I’m allowed to say that) it took years for someone to climb the ladder.
I don’t recall anyone claiming Bret, HBK, Triple H, or Austin were being buried when they’d lose matches. I don’t recall any of them being branded a lost cause. Hell look at Kofi. It took him eleven years.
You’d think for as much as people like to pretend to know everything, they’d know it’s never too late in wrestling.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Sept 15, 2019 22:11:11 GMT -5
Yeah, sadly Braun is dead in the water. This was his SEVENTH attempt to win his first world title on PPV. And he was booked to fail again. Austin won it in 3 attempts. The Rock in his first. Brock Lesnar in his first. Braun is booked as a looser when it counts and it’s sad considering how over he’s been in the past (same old story with a lot of potential stars).
Look at Kofi. Despite internet fans starting to grow tired of his reign, the fans for the most part are still behind the character. He has a story and plays his role well. Seth, on the other hand, just got boo’d throughout his match tonight (and it’s not the first times fans have boo’d his match on PPV). If not Braun, hopefully Bray is give the title so we can get someone interesting holding the title. Agreed for Braun, how do you comeback from this? Only way i can see him being any sort of credible threat now, is if he leaves for a few months, and comes back as a completely fresh monster. Change up his look, get rid of the shirt as his physique is pretty imposing, give him new pants & most importantly a new character. Not to sound too cartoonish here, but have Wyatt 'trap' him in the Funhouse somehow using his 'powers'. While in there, there's no way out until Wyatt loses a match and the 'power' or 'spell' is broken, he goes mad, destroys the place, when he returns he can look like a completely twisted psycho, come out with a decapitated Rabbit, Huskus, Mercy or Abby. Then you can book him as something new and not just the 'Monster among Men' who's pretty tame and 'human' for a monster. As for Kofi, i think tonight was the start of his 'downfall', when he came out he got 0 reaction... and as you said, he got boo'd throughout the match and a weak reaction when he won. The '11 year journey' has run its course and everyone's getting a bit sick of it now. When he pinned Orton, i literally said to myself "Who is actually going to beat him?" Because he's basically ran through everyone on Smackdown now except for Roman, but i don't see them having Roman end Kofi's 'Fairy tale' story unless they finally turn him heel. At this point, i'm expecting Kofi to hold it up to WrestleMania 36.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 15, 2019 22:12:28 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one that remembers when talent didn’t win the World title right away. Back in my day (I’m old so I’m allowed to say that) it took years for someone to climb the ladder. I don’t recall anyone claiming Bret, HBK, Triple H, or Austin were being buried when they’d lose matches. I don’t recall any of them being branded a lost cause. Hell look at Kofi. It took him eleven years. You’d think for as much as people like to pretend to know everything, they’d know it’s never too late in wrestling. The problem isn’t people waiting to win the world title. The problem is that guys loose a bunch now before winning it. This was Braun’s SEVENTH attempt to win his FIRST world title on PPV (he’s also had many failed attempts on Raw to win the title as well). And he was booked to loose again. Steve Austin won his first world title on his third try on PPV. It took him 3 years to win the title, but he wasn’t booked to constantly loose title matches during that time (unlike Braun). HBK also won his first world title after 3 tries on PPV. Guys like The Rock and Brock won their first world titles in their first PPV world title shots. The issue isn’t a slow build. The issue is having these guys eat various pins over time that kill their momentum. Braun isn’t someone like Dean Ambrose who was booked as the underdog. Braun is a monster, similar to Brock and Goldberg. Unfortunately, he’s only booked like them when not fighting for a world title. The. He turns into an idiot who always fails in the big moments.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 15, 2019 22:12:29 GMT -5
Braun will defo win the big one eventually. Maybe in another year or two or even three... God knows when hahaa.
The guy was seriously protected at least in the main event. 4 stomps and a pedigree? Never seen that before.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Sept 15, 2019 22:12:56 GMT -5
The fiend could be cool if I didnt know it was Bray wyatt.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 15, 2019 22:15:04 GMT -5
I don’t know why some of you guys are clamoring for Bray to get the title off Seth. Behind that gimmick, which is fun, is just the same mediocre Bray Wyatt who isn’t great in the ring when it counts. The whole appeal of Bray’s character is that he doesn’t show up often. How are you gonna be champ and not show up consistently without looking like Brock. These are the things you guys don’t think about. Bray’s character is eventually going to run its course and when it does you guys will bitch about it too. You can’t blame Rollins for his booking. They made him have a program with Corbin, then lose to Brock, then win it back, then a not so popular Braun. At the beginning of this year everyone was begging for Rollins to have the title
I’d rather have Rollins as the long term champ than a Mr Rogers/Scary Clown gimmick of a guy they need to protect because he’ll get overexposed in the ring. In other word all of you sound..
.......Wait for it.......
........FICKLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 15, 2019 22:17:17 GMT -5
Yeah, sadly Braun is dead in the water. This was his SEVENTH attempt to win his first world title on PPV. And he was booked to fail again. Austin won it in 3 attempts. The Rock in his first. Brock Lesnar in his first. Braun is booked as a looser when it counts and it’s sad considering how over he’s been in the past (same old story with a lot of potential stars).
Look at Kofi. Despite internet fans starting to grow tired of his reign, the fans for the most part are still behind the character. He has a story and plays his role well. Seth, on the other hand, just got boo’d throughout his match tonight (and it’s not the first times fans have boo’d his match on PPV). If not Braun, hopefully Bray is give the title so we can get someone interesting holding the title. Agreed for Braun, how do you comeback from this? Only way i can see him being any sort of credible threat now, is if he leaves for a few months, and comes back as a completely fresh monster. Change up his look, get rid of the shirt as his physique is pretty imposing, give him new pants & most importantly a new character. Not to sound too cartoonish here, but have Wyatt 'trap' him in the Funhouse somehow using his 'powers'. While in there, there's no way out until Wyatt loses a match and the 'power' or 'spell' is broken, he goes mad, destroys the place, when he returns he can look like a completely twisted psycho, come out with a decapitated Rabbit, Huskus, Mercy or Abby. Then you can book him as something new and not just the 'Monster among Men' who's pretty tame and 'human' for a monster. As for Kofi, i think tonight was the start of his 'downfall', when he came out he got 0 reaction... and as you said, he got boo'd throughout the match and a weak reaction when he won. The '11 year journey' has run its course and everyone's getting a bit sick of it now. When he pinned Orton, i literally said to myself "Who is actually going to beat him?" Because he's basically ran through everyone on Smackdown now except for Roman, but i don't see them having Roman end Kofi's 'Fairy tale' story unless they finally turn him heel. At this point, i'm expecting Kofi to hold it up to WrestleMania 36. Your “Braun stuck in the funhouse” story would be more creative than anything the WWE has churned out in 10+ years. I love that idea.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2019 22:41:57 GMT -5
WWE Clash of Champions September 15th, 2019 | Spectrum Center in Charlotte, North Carolina
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Drew Gulak [c] vs. Humberto Carrillo vs. Lince Dorado I wasn’t big on the idea of adding Lince Dorado to this match but there was still potential for something really good. They made good use of the triple threat concept with plenty of fun spots. I liked Lince taking to the skies, Humberto being explosive, and Drew looking to slow the pace. His methodical style made him a good foil for his opponents. I liked the double submission spot and Gulak flat out tossing one man into another. He got to play the powerhouse and it was a cool change of pace. As expected, Dorado was mostly there to eat the pin so Carrillo didn’t have to. He fell to a nice bridging German Suplex at the 10:05 mark. That was good but it was clear that something better would come if it was just Carrillo and Gulak one on one. Even with the good ideas they had for all three men, Dorado felt like an afterthought. [***]
WWE United States Championship: AJ Styles [c] vs. Cedric Alexander AJ hasn’t been delivering as many bangers (see matches with Nakamura, Owens, Ricochet, etc.) as he should in the past few years. In 2019, he really only has the Seth outing at Money in the Bank. Cedric sported Hornets inspired gear in his hometown. He started hot with a Michinoku Driver and tope con hilo in the opening minute. AJ turned the tide by being way more vicious than he usually is. That’s perfect against a guy like Alexander. It’s a rare case where AJ is the bigger competitor. He put Alexander away with the Styles Clash in 4:55. I thought this was great. Too often we’ve seen AJ work 25+ minutes and have it drag on for days. Here, he got to go all out for five minutes and packed a lot of action into it. Cedric lost in a short match but didn’t look bad at all. [***¼]
Put AJ on the Kickoff Show more often.
Onto the main card.
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship: Braun Strowman and Seth Rollins [c] vs. Dolph Ziggler and Robert Roode Get the least interesting match on the card out of the way. You have Seth Rollins, who is good but kind of bland as the babyface champion, and three of the lamest dudes on the roster. I think Braun and Seth have actually worked out a couple of decent tag moves despite not being a team for long. The crowd popped for the few that we saw. Ziggler and Roode worked the heat segment on Rollins (obviously) and it was as mediocre as the singles matches Seth and Dolph had for the IC Title last year. Thankfully that section didn’t last long. Braun ran over everyone and cleaned house with his hot tag. The champions had a slight miscommunication but covered for it and Seth came close to retaining. A second mishap led to Seth falling to a Roode Implant DDT in 9:35. An acceptable tag match. Seth and Braun didn’t have to overexert themselves. The match was a lot like Roode & Ziggler’s career. It exited. [**]
WWE Smackdown Women's Championship: Bayley [c] vs. Charlotte Flair Hypocrite passive aggressive heel Bayley is masterful. These are the only two Horsewomen who have had a legitimate feud and never a great match together. Charlotte nearly squashed her with a big boot at the bell and that set the tone for the pace of this one. She overwhelmed Bayley and kept the pressure on her throughout. She targeted the knee and it looked like that was where we were headed. Instead, Bayley removed the turnbuckle cover and sent Charlotte into it to steal the match in a quick 3:45. Bayley then ran away as soon as the bell hit. Outstanding booking. [**¾]
WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championship: The New Day [c] vs. The Revival Loads of potential here. The storyline here was Xavier Woods and his injury. He was hype on the Kickoff Show but was still clearly dinged up. He got taken out due to the injury in the opening minutes and that put Big E in major trouble. The Revival, experts at tag team wrestling, cut the ring in half and prevented him from making the tag. He got to make the tag and Woods did his thing. However, the twist came when Big E was taken out with a Shatter Machine on the outside. Now the Revival could isolate an already battered guy. They hit Woods with one but then possible made a crucial mistake. They opted to do more damage to Woods’ knee. He got put in a heel hook of sorts and fought valiantly, but had to tap at 10:02. That was a different kind of tag match and I liked it. They put a twist on the normal formula and the Revival came across as tag team MASTERS. It wouldn’t have made sense for New Day to compete with them in their state for 20 minutes or something. [***½]
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship: Alexa Bliss and Nikki Cross [c] vs. Fire and Desire I AM HERE FOR THE FIRE AND DESIRE MASHUP THEME. It’s cheesy and I love it because of that. Mandy and Nikki had a fun early exchange based off of what Mandy said on Smackdown. R-Truth ran down during the match and was being chased by people for the 24/7 Title. It made sense given an Alexa/Truth segment before the match. Alexa nearly won the title during this run in. That scuffle led to Alexa playing the face in peril role. Nikki Cross’ hot tag was great. Leaving SAnitY proved to be a great thing for her. She’s way over in this storyline. She saved Alexa from a loss and then scored the win. After knocking Sonya off the apron, she hit Mandy with her finisher at the 8:06 mark. Mandy and Alexa had a startling lack of chemistry. However, everything involving Nikki Cross was gold. I had fun. [***]
WWE Intercontinental Championship: Shinsuke Nakamura [c] vs. The Miz One of the greatest wrestlers of our generation. Also, Shinsuke Nakamura. Sami Zayn being with Shinsuke is great. The heat he got for doing commentary on the mic was wild. Zayn was hilarious there with digs like, “A decent arm drag at best.” Subtle but good. Miz tossed the microphone up the ramp to quite things down. The match was solid but unspectacular. Nakamura survived the Figure Four (in Charlotte) and Zayn interfered to lead to a Nakamura near fall. He set up Kinshasa but Miz sidestepped him and hit the Skull Crushing Finale only for Sami to distract the referee. Classic old school wrasslin. Kinshasa wrapped it up for Nakamura soon after in 9:32. A perfectly acceptable match and not much more. It felt kind of hollow. [**½]
WWE Raw Women's Championship: Becky Lynch [c] vs. Sasha Banks An early slot for the main event. Like Charlotte earlier, Becky came out aggressively. They did the “we both nearly get our finisher early” spot but it made sense here since they’re submissions. Might as well wear down your opponent. Plus, angry Becky only tried her as a counter to Sasha’s. I love how Sasha just seems way more comfortable as a heel. It’s where she thrives. She nailed the little mannerisms needed throughout this one. There were times when her gloating was perfect and others where it cost her. The Bank Statement close call where she caught a Becky forearm was expertly done by both ladies. All of the submission close calls were great. The fans bit on them and were way into this. Sasha using a classic Eddie Guerrero trope was awesome because it worked as a babyface when she first won the title but had a totally different feeling here. Becky accidentally hit the referee with the chair and then got some payback on Sasha with it. Sasha escaped through the crowd where Becky gave chase. They ended up in the backstage area fighting by fans. They made it all the way back to the ring where commentary said Becky got disqualified but the ref was still down so I don’t know how he could know that. He announced it at 17:58 so that’s the time I’m using. Becky put Sasha in the Dis-Arm-Her in a chair until officials broke it up. Great stuff here. They had an awesome match that told a complete story and built perfectly to set up Hell in a Cell. Remember Angle/Austin at SummerSlam 2001 ending in a DQ and being great? This was like that. [****]
WWE Championship: Kofi Kingston [c] vs. Randy Orton For such a bitter rivalry, I was disappointed that it opened with collar and elbow tie up style stuff. That gave me the sense that this would lack the intensity it needed. And I was right. That was easily the biggest problem here. It was pretty boring and never felt like the war we needed. Sasha/Becky came across like a war between two people pissed at each other but also trying to prove who was better. This just seemed like two guys wrestling a house show match after intermission. The finishing stretch was okay but this went on for far too long and had little to no life. A massive disappointment considering who was involved and how the feud has been built. Kofi retained by avoiding the Punt and hitting Trouble in Paradise after 20:52. Big drag though the ending was cool. [**]
No Disqualifications Match: Roman Reigns vs. Rowan Roman and Rowan went at it before the bell and started this fight in the aisle. They had the kind of big brute battle that works best for them. Just mauling each other with big blows and weapons in and out of the ring. Rowan took the upper hand when he used steel steps to his advantage. Rowan being in control was kind of dull. Even with this being a No DQ match and with the use of weapons, there wasn’t a whole lot to this. Roman geared up for the Spear down the aisle only to get taken out by a returning Luke Harper. He and Rowan teamed up to beat on Roman in the ring. Rowan hit a second Iron Claw to win in 17:23. Another match that felt like it went too long. That seemed to go thirty minutes. [**¼]
WWE Universal Championship: Seth Rollins [c] vs. Braun Strowman Other than his match with AJ Styles, I’d say Seth has worked best in 2019 against big men. His stuff with Brock was great when it came to the actual matches. While I wouldn’t call this great, it was good. They played it in a similar fashion to the Seth/Brock matches but on a smaller scale. It felt like something Paul Heyman had his fingerprints all over. They kept it relatively short at 10:44 and did well to cover up Braun’s shortcomings. I’m wrapping this review up because I’m tired and ready for bed. Seth retained after a Pedigree and Curb Stomp. It was pretty good overall. [***¼]
Overall: 6/10. It’s telling that this was one of the lesser WWE pay-per-views this year. It was still above average but they’ve set a high bar in 2019. There’s only one match I’d consider great (Sasha/Becky) and only one that I think is rough to get through (Kofi/Orton). Everything else ranges from average to good and that’s fine. Not every show can be a home run.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 16, 2019 1:03:19 GMT -5
Jerry Jarrett avoided these types of shows like the plague, yet here we are. I'm all for adding value to the titles, but this isn't it. There were considerable highlights, but at the same time, September is a terrible month for booking wrestling shows, and with a PPV a month you're bound to have casualties.
This card had ups and downs, but ultimately just made us watch as they bide their time towards something else or just tread water.
This is the problem with weekly wrestling and monthly PPVS. Most of us would be better off just not sitting through it and catching the highlights afterwards. I refused to sit through the bulk of this show. The IC Tag, Women's Tag Title Match, Cruiserweight Title all could have been left off the card and it wouldn't have mattered. Cedric Alexander needs a US title rematch. Why they forced Aj onto the pre-show is beyond me.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 16, 2019 3:53:23 GMT -5
Yeah, sadly Braun is dead in the water. This was his SEVENTH attempt to win his first world title on PPV. And he was booked to fail again. Austin won it in 3 attempts. The Rock in his first. Brock Lesnar in his first. Braun is booked as a looser when it counts and it’s sad considering how over he’s been in the past (same old story with a lot of potential stars).
Look at Kofi. Despite internet fans starting to grow tired of his reign, the fans for the most part are still behind the character. He has a story and plays his role well. Seth, on the other hand, just got boo’d throughout his match tonight (and it’s not the first times fans have boo’d his match on PPV). If not Braun, hopefully Bray is give the title so we can get someone interesting holding the title. Agreed for Braun, how do you comeback from this? Only way i can see him being any sort of credible threat now, is if he leaves for a few months, and comes back as a completely fresh monster. Change up his look, get rid of the shirt as his physique is pretty imposing, give him new pants & most importantly a new character. Not to sound too cartoonish here, but have Wyatt 'trap' him in the Funhouse somehow using his 'powers'. While in there, there's no way out until Wyatt loses a match and the 'power' or 'spell' is broken, he goes mad, destroys the place, when he returns he can look like a completely twisted psycho, come out with a decapitated Rabbit, Huskus, Mercy or Abby. Then you can book him as something new and not just the 'Monster among Men' who's pretty tame and 'human' for a monster. As for Kofi, i think tonight was the start of his 'downfall', when he came out he got 0 reaction... and as you said, he got boo'd throughout the match and a weak reaction when he won. The '11 year journey' has run its course and everyone's getting a bit sick of it now. When he pinned Orton, i literally said to myself "Who is actually going to beat him?" Because he's basically ran through everyone on Smackdown now except for Roman, but i don't see them having Roman end Kofi's 'Fairy tale' story unless they finally turn him heel. At this point, i'm expecting Kofi to hold it up to WrestleMania 36. So like the Pokemon episode with Sabrina?
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Post by McBlake on Sept 16, 2019 4:41:22 GMT -5
I love the Fiend character, was never big on Wyatt, but this character transformation is one of the best in my 20 years watching.
The only problem with him going after the Universal title is: he's had ONE match.
Rollins shouldn't really be losing the title yet either, Wyatt certainly shouldn't be losing, but it's also far too soon to give him your top championship.
Ignoring that though, I do think it could be so cool having him be Universal champion. Imagine how creative they could get with the Firefly Funhouse segments. Maybe Bray won't even accept the fact he's champion, The Fiend is the title holder pushing this whole split personality thing they have going. It could be brilliant. Like I say though, too soon.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Sept 16, 2019 4:58:26 GMT -5
Fell asleep before Kofi/Orton, but from what I saw... Cruiserweights were (again) MOTN
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Sept 16, 2019 6:02:05 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one that remembers when talent didn’t win the World title right away. Back in my day (I’m old so I’m allowed to say that) it took years for someone to climb the ladder. I don’t recall anyone claiming Bret, HBK, Triple H, or Austin were being buried when they’d lose matches. I don’t recall any of them being branded a lost cause. Hell look at Kofi. It took him eleven years. You’d think for as much as people like to pretend to know everything, they’d know it’s never too late in wrestling. The problem isn’t people waiting to win the world title. The problem is that guys loose a bunch now before winning it. This was Braun’s SEVENTH attempt to win his FIRST world title on PPV (he’s also had many failed attempts on Raw to win the title as well). And he was booked to loose again. But, it used to be that way. It would make it a bigger deal when they finally won it. That was old school way. This guy has come so damn close SO MANY TIMES and didn't get it...and FINALLY he does it...
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 16, 2019 6:14:16 GMT -5
I just got done watching the show and thought it was pretty fun. Becky vs Sasha was the most fun match for me, but what is the deal with Sasha Bank's hair, doe sshe wear a wig? It looked super weird!
I thought it was a solid and fun three hours of wrestling. The only match I was not really into was the Orton vs Kingston match, but I have found Randy Orton boring for the last ten years to be fair lol.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Sept 16, 2019 6:30:02 GMT -5
Pretty good show.
- Rollins & Strowman VS Ziggler & Roode was better than my expectations. I thought the ending was perfect, with Strowman accidentally shoving Rollins, leading to Roode capitalising. Roode has fallen so far since his debut, that it's great for him to get a big pinfall victory over the top star in the RAW men's division. And Roode & Ziggler as a team surprisingly works.
- Charlotte VS Bayley was good, if really short. Strong opening with Charlotte's big boot. Bayley cheating to win was good. I didn't really care too much about Bayley a month ago, but now with her role model heel character, she's really interesting.
- I think this is the show where I've finally been able to appreciate Alexa and Nikki as a tag team. Their matching gear colour scheme looked great, they wrestled pretty well. Still have no clue if Alexa is a face or heel though. Seems to be face now, but I don't remember a proper turn. Their pre-match interview was also fun to watch. Fire and Desire were good too, I quite liked their theme mashup, rather than just Mandy's theme being used throughout.
- As I posted during the show, Sasha VS Becky was great and delivered on my expectations. Fantastic storytelling, really fun to watch, hard hitting. And perfectly sets up a Hell in a Cell rematch (hopefully inside the PPV's namesake), where Sasha can win the title. As far as I'm concerned, Becky and Sasha are two of the best talents in the company, and this match really showed just how good they are. Bit early for the main event on this show, but the rematch really should main event HIAC.
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Sept 16, 2019 8:06:44 GMT -5
Monthly shows normally deliver, unlike weekly ones. Hopefully with NXT on USA, quality improves weekly for all 3 shows.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 16, 2019 8:13:12 GMT -5
I watched the show live last night but was far too tired to thread head so I streamed the watch along on my phone simultaneously which was fairly enjoyable, I’d be pissed to be whoever had to clean up all the skittles on the floor lol. That being said it was a decent PPV. I wish somebody would explain to me why Shinsuke’s changed his gear though, it looks so odd.
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Post by Chip on Sept 16, 2019 8:20:36 GMT -5
I really loved what they did with the pre-match intros. That was very cool. Absolutely ridiculous having AJ/Cedirc on the pre-show. Sami with Nakamura is everything The RAW tag title scene is a ing mess.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 16, 2019 9:15:23 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one that remembers when talent didn’t win the World title right away. Back in my day (I’m old so I’m allowed to say that) it took years for someone to climb the ladder. I don’t recall anyone claiming Bret, HBK, Triple H, or Austin were being buried when they’d lose matches. I don’t recall any of them being branded a lost cause. Hell look at Kofi. It took him eleven years. You’d think for as much as people like to pretend to know everything, they’d know it’s never too late in wrestling. The problem isn’t people waiting to win the world title. The problem is that guys loose a bunch now before winning it. This was Braun’s SEVENTH attempt to win his FIRST world title on PPV (he’s also had many failed attempts on Raw to win the title as well). And he was booked to loose again. Steve Austin won his first world title on his third try on PPV. It took him 3 years to win the title, but he wasn’t booked to constantly loose title matches during that time (unlike Braun). HBK also won his first world title after 3 tries on PPV. Guys like The Rock and Brock won their first world titles in their first PPV world title shots. The issue isn’t a slow build. The issue is having these guys eat various pins over time that kill their momentum. Braun isn’t someone like Dean Ambrose who was booked as the underdog. Braun is a monster, similar to Brock and Goldberg. Unfortunately, he’s only booked like them when not fighting for a world title. The. He turns into an idiot who always fails in the big moments. And yet, none of that matters. He could flip a car, steamroll a champion, add a new catchphrase and nobody will give two s**ts if he lost to Seth.
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