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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 18, 2019 8:45:15 GMT -5
Anyone else think we've reached the ceiling for Braun Strowman?The more he loses big matches, the more I see his career taking the same trajectory as the late great King Kong Bundy.
Monster who would dominate lower and mid-carders. Yet would fail when in more prominent feuds. Never held a singles title. As of now, that seems to describe both wrestlers sadly.
Now, I know Braun did hold the tag team titles twice, but one was for about 24 hours and the other was for a few weeks at best. Maybe that puts him one rung over Bundy, but Bundy had more high profile feuds and a longevity. Braum got stale the moment he turned heel with the Dogs of War (was that what they were called?) faction. So, as of now, I still think Bundy was higher on the card.
The only other wrestler I'd think to compare Braun to would be Vader since Vader was misused in WWF. But that ignores the fact that Vader was not pushed as a monster. He was pushed as a B.A. Bundy was pushed as a monster.
I know Braun is still new to the wrestling world, but it seems his current trajectory is going to be the guy who is pushed as a threat, but fails at the big matches.
I also know many of you will say this also aptly describes Samoa Joe. I would argue it does not though. When Joe loses, it's usually through some fluke. Reversing the Clutch into a pin or a signature move followed by a finisher. With the exception of Richochet nailing him with his signature and finish and Corbin pinning him, a majority of his losses are due to his miscues. For Braun, you have clean losses. I'd rather look like a fool (Samoa Joe) than look like a guy who falls short again and again. (Plus honestly, if we're drawing comparisons, Joe is more Vader.)
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Post by rowdy1971 on Sept 18, 2019 10:31:58 GMT -5
I'd actually like Braun a lot more if the only thing he was doing was squashing midgets. He'd actually be entertaining then.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 18, 2019 11:18:21 GMT -5
At 7 big losses in, I don't think there's much difference between falling short again and looking like a fool - either outcome is terrible at this point.
I'm not advocating to hand any and everybody the belt, but you've got to think about where the money is at? You can only have Braun chase so many time before he becomes irrelevant. Him mowing over BOTH sets of tag champs the next night does nothing to cement him as a monster in my eyes, maybe to the 8 year old fans.
I love Joe, but he's a joke - talks an incredible game on the mic, but you know he's losing up against Seth or Roman.
McIntyre is an afterthought at this stage.
The Fiend/Bray can't possibly hold a program down as Universal Champion because the character/gimmick is more money as an attraction, not a full time champion.
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Post by MacReady on Sept 18, 2019 11:58:00 GMT -5
Honestly, this describes nearly every contender for the major championships in the past 4-5 years, aside from Brock, Seth, Roman & AJ (and just barely for him).
It's a sad state of affairs that combined between Raw & SD there's less than 10 guys who are credible "championship material"... since we know going into these feuds most guys aren't walking away with the belt.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 18, 2019 12:26:10 GMT -5
Honestly, this describes nearly every contender for the major championships in the past 4-5 years, aside from Brock, Seth, Roman & AJ (and just barely for him). It's a sad state of affairs that combined between Raw & SD there's less than 10 guys who are credible "championship material"... since we know going into these feuds most guys aren't walking away with the belt. I'm just curious who you see as credible. Here are mine as of now 1. AJ Styles 2. Seth Rollins 3. Brock Lesnar (Part Time) 4. Randy Orton (but only based on past accomplishments. If we were going off current booking, he'd be a midcard) 5. The Miz (but only based on past accomplishments. If we were going off current booking,he'd be a midcard) 6. Roman Reigns (who has been used in a reduced role while he recovers) 7. Daniel Bryan 8. Samoa Joe (just based on promos) I know Owens, Drew, Lashley, and Braun are probably floating around some people's minds, but as big a fan as I am of Owens, I don't see it anymore. Drew is wasted. Lashley was a victim of wrong timing (had to use a stalling suplex as a finisher until roman got moved to SDL. focused on his butt way too much). And Braun, well Braun is a lost cause. And if it wasn't for the brand split, we'd have never seen AJ get a title run. He lost twice against Roman, and but for the rejuvenation with credible wins over Cena and a brand split that allowed him to go after someone other than Golden Reigns, he'd probably be in midcard hell with 50/50 booking. As of now, he's still dominant. |
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Post by k5 on Sept 18, 2019 13:51:48 GMT -5
i don't see the comparison to bundy as accurate at all
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 18, 2019 13:56:29 GMT -5
i don't see the comparison to bundy as accurate at all  |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2019 15:04:42 GMT -5
Mcintyre and Joe are in the same category.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Sept 18, 2019 16:12:25 GMT -5
He's their shiny new Big Show. He's a friendly "monster" but like the wind would happily blow the other way. Throw him in random ass tag teams any time and just generally bore the crap out of all who would witness. Witness!!
And depending on what else we got going on, he can have all the title shots he'd like but he ain't gonna win one unless they have someone lined up to beat him for it like a month later but crap gotta book him like the unstoppable juggernaut he surely is, I mean look at him, before then, that'll trick em.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 18, 2019 16:35:18 GMT -5
He’ll win the big one eventually... same can be said for McIntyre.
I just wanna see Joe become Champion soon. It’s about damn time.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 23, 2019 11:27:01 GMT -5
I'd be all for it if he had the nickname King Kong. "King Kong" Braun Strowman has a ring to it
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 23, 2019 11:33:08 GMT -5
I think he could benefit from a decent-sized run with a midcard title before he is forced back into World title contention. Probably should win the US Title from Styles eventually, seems like a good fit.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 23, 2019 14:04:13 GMT -5
I'd be all for it if he had the nickname King Kong. "King Kong" Braun Strowman has a ring to it The WWE would either get sued by Universal Studios or pay a lot of royalties like they did to Marvel with the Hulk Hogan name. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 23, 2019 20:05:41 GMT -5
On that note I would say give Braun the US Title this year and then hopefully by next year his time will come to finally be a World Champ.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 23, 2019 21:43:36 GMT -5
I'd be all for it if he had the nickname King Kong. "King Kong" Braun Strowman has a ring to it The WWE would either get sued by Universal Studios or pay a lot of royalties like they did to Marvel with the Hulk Hogan name. Nobody owns the rights to the King Kong name. It's a really confusing situation, but no one owns the rights to the name. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Sept 24, 2019 9:20:58 GMT -5
Braun is an impressive monster. At this point, if they aren’t strapping Lesnar to finally feed to Braun and give Braun a proper run, then I want Braun to go back to being fed jobbers. Call it the Braun Challenge. Jobbers compete Braun for a contract. This could lead to an NXT star getting one over and a spot on the main roster (looking at you Bronson).
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Post by k5 on Sept 24, 2019 9:27:57 GMT -5
i don't see the comparison to bundy as accurate at all do I really need to? you’re making the loosest of comparisons - big guy that loses the big ones. why is that inaccurate? well, because in bundy’s time EVERY big man lost at the big one to Hogan or whatever other leading face. it was the monster heel role. bundy wasn’t angry that he didn’t go over Hogan, he was laughing all the way to the bank and would lose to him any night of the week if necessary. so you could exchange it with Big John Studd, or any other number of names. simply put, it’s a really dumb comparison that is not the least bit deserving of having it’s own thread. but you make threads for the sake of it, so you do you. and Samoa Joe is apparently similar to Vader. just next level silly here. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 24, 2019 9:58:59 GMT -5
do I really need to? you’re making the loosest of comparisons - big guy that loses the big ones. why is that inaccurate? well, because in bundy’s time EVERY big man lost at the big one to Hogan or whatever other leading face. it was the monster heel role. bundy wasn’t angry that he didn’t go over Hogan, he was laughing all the way to the bank and would lose to him any night of the week if necessary. so you could exchange it with Big John Studd, or any other number of names. simply put, it’s a really dumb comparison that is not the least bit deserving of having it’s own thread. but you make threads for the sake of it, so you do you. and Samoa Joe is apparently similar to Vader. just next level silly here. Oh. Ok so you're trolling, and just wanting to say it was a dumb comparison. So, I said, Bundy is booked as a monster with multiple attempts to get the championship belt. Loses. I didn't once mention that Braun should be infuriated or upset or mad or that Bundy was mad or upset or infuriated. I didn't say Braun wasn't laughing all the way to the bank and was a mark for himself. All I said was, big man booked in multiple championship matches and loses definitively much like Bundy. I understand what the term "accurate" means, and you decide to use your own version because it's cool to be a contrarian but in reality history will forget you just like it will me. You do you too. |
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Post by k5 on Sept 24, 2019 13:21:24 GMT -5
do I really need to? you’re making the loosest of comparisons - big guy that loses the big ones. why is that inaccurate? well, because in bundy’s time EVERY big man lost at the big one to Hogan or whatever other leading face. it was the monster heel role. bundy wasn’t angry that he didn’t go over Hogan, he was laughing all the way to the bank and would lose to him any night of the week if necessary. so you could exchange it with Big John Studd, or any other number of names. simply put, it’s a really dumb comparison that is not the least bit deserving of having it’s own thread. but you make threads for the sake of it, so you do you. and Samoa Joe is apparently similar to Vader. just next level silly here. Oh. Ok so you're trolling, and just wanting to say it was a dumb comparison. So, I said, Bundy is booked as a monster with multiple attempts to get the championship belt. Loses. I didn't once mention that Braun should be infuriated or upset or mad or that Bundy was mad or upset or infuriated. I didn't say Braun wasn't laughing all the way to the bank and was a mark for himself. All I said was, big man booked in multiple championship matches and loses definitively much like Bundy. I understand what the term "accurate" means, and you decide to use your own version because it's cool to be a contrarian but in reality history will forget you just like it will me. You do you too. like what? and i'm the one trolling? why not compare him to norman smiley then? "over talent, crowd reacts well, yet keeps losing against the bigger names" do you think a normal smiley/braun strowman comparison is a good one too then? i made it clear - bundy lost at a time when all monster heels went down to the big babyface. braun's booking is not similar in the least. he's been a face, he's been a heel, he's been a tweener. bundy's losses didn't hurt him. strowman's has. making your comparison just really really silly and lacking any depth. i'm not even looking to argue; i said my point, you said elaborate, here we are. |
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