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Post by stc13 on Oct 3, 2019 8:47:56 GMT -5
I don't understand the comparisons to WCW at all. Also, WCW was VERY good for a long time, so I'm also not sure why people keep making that comparison as a means to spite AEW - did you even watch Nitro? A superb start. I don't care how many of you say the wrestlers should be used to the big venues and the technical kinks should be worked out following the PPVs they've done: being on live television in millions of homes is different than being on a PPV being bought by a few hundred thousand, and producing a live television programme with adverts and programmes either side of yours is a totally different skill than producing a PPV. Also, for those of you complaining that they aren't introducing you to the characters the way WWE would - this is not WWE! You can't cry out for something new and different for eighteen years and then complain it's not the same when it arrives. Honestly I think a lot of the WCW comparisons are super lazy, and often coming from folks who never even saw WCW. The WWE has been spinning their own narrative of what WCW was and why it failed for longer than WCW (post-NWA) actually existed at this point. Many people don't know anything beyond the Monday Night Wars documentary WWE put out that definitely had a skewed perspective. And that narrative ignores that WCW's brand of wrestling was VERY different from WWE/F. There were a lot of fans that didn't care for WWE's in ring style or cartoonish presentation. Lots of WCW fans just stopped following wrestling when the company folded. So people who only know WWE's style of production and ring work may feel differently, but there are a lot of folks who might come across the show and see WCW elements as something they WANT. I do think they need to establish stronger characters and alignments. I know they don't want a traditional face/heel divide, but not everyone can be a tweener. I'd like to see them establish a little more of each wrestler's personality. A big chunk of the roster has just been thrown into the battle royals without any exposure beyond that. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Oct 3, 2019 9:27:05 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch last night because I don't have cable. Apparently, the replay is up for free on TNT's website and app with no login, so hopefully that stays up long enough for me to catch it on Friday when my wife heads out to work. I got the gist of it from Twitter and such, but I'd like to be properly caught up before I head into Boston next week.
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Post by banthafett on Oct 3, 2019 9:37:21 GMT -5
Who the  is hoping for a watered down MJF in WWE? That's crazy talk. That 2hrs flew by. Unlike the boring ass shows of WWE. I cant wait until next week. Hope OC is on next week so people can cry even more. |
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Oct 3, 2019 10:08:51 GMT -5
Very solid debut by AEW last night,while not perfect show got more right then bad.My issues from the show last night where I thought the commercial breaks really hurt the flow of things,having to many matches(ideally if they want to run longer match ups should have 4 per show.Two long matches,a decent 10 minute match or so and then basically a squash)and my biggest grip was to many post match brawls.
But overall again a good debut and I think as time goes on the show will become more focused and even better.I know a lot of people hated the big debut at the ending being Jack Swagger but it work fine for me.Yes he was never a draw or big star in WWE but has some name quality and was a former world champion for them.He's got the look,in ring skills and now legit MMA background that should help him become a bigger star in AEW.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Oct 3, 2019 10:18:53 GMT -5
Who the is hoping for a watered down MJF in WWE? That's crazy talk. That 2hrs flew by. Unlike the boring ass shows of WWE. I cant wait until next week. Hope OC is on next week so people can cry even more. I really want OC to be on the show in some capacity next week. I got to see him, sight unseen, for the first time at Evolve 132 a few months back, and it's honestly one of my favorite live event memories of all time. My buddy who's going to Dynamite with me hasn't seen him before, so I really hope he gets the chance to experience it. |
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Post by Newsted on Oct 3, 2019 10:57:54 GMT -5
Moxley is far and above the star of AEW.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Oct 3, 2019 11:56:58 GMT -5
Who the is hoping for a watered down MJF in WWE? That's crazy talk. That 2hrs flew by. Unlike the boring ass shows of WWE. I cant wait until next week. Hope OC is on next week so people can cry even more. Isn't there already a watered down MJF in WWE with EC3? |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 3, 2019 14:21:13 GMT -5
Pretty weak show. It was fine-ish, but bland and disappointing on a night where they could have made a big statement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 14:27:38 GMT -5
Exactly! If Swagger would have returned to Raw everyone would be screaming how lame it is. He shows up on AEW and now Hager is a God. ing stupid. Lackluster show in my mind. The Cody match was just a lets kick out of everything showcase. That is going to get old quick if they do that every week. MJF is awesome. There is no denying that. That guy will be huge once his three years are up at AEW and he moves on to WWE. The "ladies" match was put on fast forward. The main event was not the greatest thing ever. Moxley is cool no matter what he says or does. Can't we just have Moxley all over the show non-stop?? Jim Ross NEEDS TO NEVER ANNOUNCE AGAIN! And what was with the swearing Ross did?? That added NOTHING and made it sound cheap. I'll give Tony a pass on the word "prick" because that just fits with MFJs gimmick. But Ross was stumbling way too much and freaking enough with Excalibur. Take the stupid mask off and learn how to call a match. The announce team really brought it down. Thankfully Jay and Skinny Bob did not get in the ring. Sure it was the first show and really, AEW arrived, they tried to kick the door down on TV wrestling but only managed to knock a few times before it was opened. It had a VERY Nitro feel and that is not really a good thing. I'll give it another shot next week. Hopefully I'll feel it a little bit more. But maybe my enjoyment of wrestling is finally going away. I won't even comment on NxT because I have NO desire to watch it at all no matter how good people say it is. On a scale of 1 to 10. I give AEW Dynamite a low 4. The crowd was super hot for the women's title match, and I thought it was the best Nyla Rose has looked yet. I still think she's very green in the ring so I'm glad Riho is going to take the lead at the start, but I definitely see what AEW sees is her star power. Also, It's 2019. Lets not go there with the air quotes... I absolutely loved last night. It was pretty much what I've been hoping for out of pro wrestling since I was 5 years old. I know the card was stacked since it's week one, but if the pacing and structure of the 2 hours are any preview of what's to come, this is what I've been hoping for. I know some people are going to not enjoy it, and that's totally fine, but I absolutely loved it. I'm also probably in the minority in that the attitude era actually drove me away from wrestling and killed my enjoyment of it for a lot of years. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love Stone Cold, Rock, etc, but the over-the-top soap opera dramatics, lack of actual matches on Raw, and complete lack of respect for women drove 13 year old me away for about 5 years. Monday's RAW ending certainly had that vibe again, and has me a little worried there. Every AEW thing so far has had me on the edge of my seat with goosebumps the entire time. |
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Post by rowdy1971 on Oct 3, 2019 14:38:52 GMT -5
WWE issues a statement on AEW's debut. Classy move. But let's see how you all rip this apart:
Congratulations to AEW on a successful premiere. The real winners of last night’s head-to-head telecasts of NXT on USA Network and AEW on TNT are the fans, who can expect Wednesday nights to be a competitive and wild ride as this is a marathon, not a one-night sprint.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 14:50:54 GMT -5
I'll bite haha. The marathon comment is clearly an admission to Khan. "Yep, you won round one" and that Vince still really wants a war. (Though it seems pretty clear he is the only person who wants a war, everybody else understands that the competition benefits both companies as long as they both stay in business.) The statement is true though, the fans are the ones that win here. NXT and the ability to stream NJPW reignited a childhood passion for me that the attitude era had destroyed. (I definitely came back before NXT really took off, but not with nearly the same level of interest. I'd watch the big 4 PPV's and that was about it. AEW has been everything I've been wanting it to be, and it actually helps me enjoy main roster WWE more, since I can just relax and let that be what it is, knowing NXT, NJPW, and AEW can fulfill the part of me that wants a more sports-oriented product.
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 3, 2019 15:06:55 GMT -5
Hopefully their .7 rating will quiet the "AEWs finna put Vince outta bizness" nonsense. Glad we have more wrestling options but some people were really starting to ruin things.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 3, 2019 15:30:29 GMT -5
Hopefully their .7 rating will quiet the "AEWs finna put Vince outta bizness" nonsense. Glad we have more wrestling options but some people were really starting to ruin things. Where did you get the .7? That's what they did for the 18-49 demo, but they did much higher than that overall. They absolutely killed NXT, and had higher ratings than SD did last week. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Oct 3, 2019 15:54:19 GMT -5
I DVR'd it and watched this afternoon. Very fun show, too many commercials. Jericho looks really old. The Hangman/Pac match was a lot of fun. Pac is Neville correct? Overall I enjoyed it, and look forward to next week.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Oct 3, 2019 16:00:06 GMT -5
Hopefully their .7 rating will quiet the "AEWs finna put Vince outta bizness" nonsense. Glad we have more wrestling options but some people were really starting to ruin things. Where did you get the .7? That's what they did for the 18-49 demo, but they did much higher than that overall. They absolutely killed NXT, and had higher ratings than SD did last week. A Forbes article I looked up reported 0.7 Nielson rating for Dynamite, compared to 0.5 for NXT. Final viewership tallies land at 1.4 million for AEW and 891k for NXT, an 11% drop. www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2019/10/03/aew-dynamite-beats-wwe-nxt-with-a-7-nielsen-rating/#5bc697a5244a |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 3, 2019 16:01:26 GMT -5
I don't understand the comparisons to WCW at all. Also, WCW was VERY good for a long time, so I'm also not sure why people keep making that comparison as a means to spite AEW - did you even watch Nitro? A superb start. I don't care how many of you say the wrestlers should be used to the big venues and the technical kinks should be worked out following the PPVs they've done: being on live television in millions of homes is different than being on a PPV being bought by a few hundred thousand, and producing a live television programme with adverts and programmes either side of yours is a totally different skill than producing a PPV. Also, for those of you complaining that they aren't introducing you to the characters the way WWE would - this is not WWE! You can't cry out for something new and different for eighteen years and then complain it's not the same when it arrives. Honestly I think a lot of the WCW comparisons are super lazy, and often coming from folks who never even saw WCW. The WWE has been spinning their own narrative of what WCW was and why it failed for longer than WCW (post-NWA) actually existed at this point. Many people don't know anything beyond the Monday Night Wars documentary WWE put out that definitely had a skewed perspective. And that narrative ignores that WCW's brand of wrestling was VERY different from WWE/F. There were a lot of fans that didn't care for WWE's in ring style or cartoonish presentation. Lots of WCW fans just stopped following wrestling when the company folded. So people who only know WWE's style of production and ring work may feel differently, but there are a lot of folks who might come across the show and see WCW elements as something they WANT. I do think they need to establish stronger characters and alignments. I know they don't want a traditional face/heel divide, but not everyone can be a tweener. I'd like to see them establish a little more of each wrestler's personality. A big chunk of the roster has just been thrown into the battle royals without any exposure beyond that. How can you not make comparisons when they literally have Tony Schiavone on commentary & he mentioned how things were in WCW last night lmao |
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Oct 3, 2019 16:19:37 GMT -5
Honestly I think a lot of the WCW comparisons are super lazy, and often coming from folks who never even saw WCW. The WWE has been spinning their own narrative of what WCW was and why it failed for longer than WCW (post-NWA) actually existed at this point. Many people don't know anything beyond the Monday Night Wars documentary WWE put out that definitely had a skewed perspective. And that narrative ignores that WCW's brand of wrestling was VERY different from WWE/F. There were a lot of fans that didn't care for WWE's in ring style or cartoonish presentation. Lots of WCW fans just stopped following wrestling when the company folded. So people who only know WWE's style of production and ring work may feel differently, but there are a lot of folks who might come across the show and see WCW elements as something they WANT. I do think they need to establish stronger characters and alignments. I know they don't want a traditional face/heel divide, but not everyone can be a tweener. I'd like to see them establish a little more of each wrestler's personality. A big chunk of the roster has just been thrown into the battle royals without any exposure beyond that. How can you not make comparisons when they literally have Tony Schiavone on commentary & he mentioned how things were in WCW last night lmao When he said "we're back on TNT" I thought "This is AEW's first TV show though" lol |
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Post by Darkhawk on Oct 3, 2019 17:06:13 GMT -5
My only grip with the 1st episode was the constant beating after 3 main matches. 1st match, Women's Match and Main Event. They could have chilled and let the wrestlers celebrate their win since it is the 1st episode of AEW. Overall I enjoyed the show, least favorite match was the Women's Match. Don't understand why people are trying to say it was the best match of the show, to me it was by far the worst. Best match was PAC vs. Hangman.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 3, 2019 17:41:48 GMT -5
The run in beatdowns got to be a bit much. I think they were really struggling to figure out how to fill commercial breaks, and extended beatdowns fit the bill. But it felt overdone, and especially when the big climax to the show was a run-in fest. If you're going to close the show that way, find something else for the undercard.
I keep seeing people call Nyla green. She's been wrestling since 2012. At what point do you stop being green and just become not very good? For someone who is supposed to be the beast of the division, she consistently struggles with power moves.
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Oct 3, 2019 18:25:12 GMT -5
I like that the show was wrestling intensive. Could have shortened a few matches and given us another women's match or a tag match.
As someone either here or elsewhere on the intrawebs said, AEW was smart to stick to their top stars for the most part and not saturate the audience with the more gimmicky characters right away.
Pac/Page was really good. Best match of the show by far.
The rest were good matches, but nothing I HAD to see. The only match that was bad/underwhelming to me was the women's match. I had zero exposure to either woman going in. I found Rose to be sloppy and Riho's offense never looked believable.
Swagger running in was eyeroll inducing. I mean, he's bigger than 90% of the roster, so he could be the monster heel and perhaps that works this time, but he has exactly zero charisma and will need a mouthpiece. Otherwise he's going to be nowhere fast.
I enjoy MJF on the mic but watching him wrestle does nothing for me. He needs to only wrestle the PPVs and just talk the rest of the time. Pairing him with Swagger would work IMO
For all the talk about AEW caring about tag team wrestling, there were exactly zero normal tag matches. (no, the 6 man doesn't count)
And If I never hear JR on commentary again, it will be too soon.
No shock they had the higher number this week. They'll probably win again next week, and maybe the one after that. Once both companies get settled into a routine, I fully expect NXT to have the more consistent audience.
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I dont know good luck 
