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Post by RuthlessFigs on Nov 11, 2019 22:05:50 GMT -5
His request was denied apparently. Don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon... He was out for looooong time
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 12, 2019 5:22:13 GMT -5
His request was denied apparently. New promotions emerging, older promotions gaining more exposure and others getting a foothold on US soil. Yeah, if the rumor of 3 years left on his contract is even close to being true, we’re probably going to see the last of him for a while very shortly. I guess I forget that just because they made it this far as a professional anything, they’re entitled to make boneheaded decisions just like the rest of us such as posting stuff like this on social media. Did no one learn the Harper lesson? After Goldust had a heartbreaking retirement request with Hunter and Vince and was granted, he waited maybe a few hours and then announced he was headed to AEW. If you’re signed with WWE for a long time and want out, the best you can do is ask quietly respectfully and hope for the best. At worst you’ll get sent home for a bit, at best you’ll have one last nice run until the end.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Nov 12, 2019 7:02:13 GMT -5
How do you say "meh" in Spanish? Alberto Del Rio
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 12, 2019 10:03:06 GMT -5
Right now, I'm trying to sort through my thoughts, but so far, I've settled on this:
Screw Sin Cara and Mike Kannelis. You both are "featured" in an ongoing story on a brand and decided that because it's not the story you want, you're taking your ball and wanting to go home. Their decisions do not just impact themselves. It impacts the others who are in that story with them.
I like to think WWE isn't written on the fly in terms of rivalries (maybe the nuances are, but I'm certain WWE decides they want Sin Cara feuding with X or AJ Styles feuding with Y. The details change weekly), and that the stories are intended to reach a payoff at a PPV. So, when you already pencil in Andrade v. Sin Cara and others vs. others, what do you do with Andrade when Sin Cara sits out? You've already got others involved in other feuds. Do you sit him out and kill momentum? Do you just have him squash jobbers until the next storyline cycle? Do you randomly pair him up or inset him in an ongoing feud? By failing to honor their contracts, they're creating issues for management and also hurting their coworkers in the process who are relying upon them to make use of the time they are given.
Imagine you're doing a project with another student or a task with a co-worker. And that co-worker/student decides to just up an leave. You have two options: finish the project or take an F or not complete the task. You have options. In wrestling stories, if your peer leaves, you don't get a say in the decision. It's not like you can complete the feud on your own. You can't wrestle an invisible person (at least in the states). It's a very selfish act--especially when you're in the infancy of a multi year contract.
Dean Ambrose/Moxley did it right. He told WWE he was leaving. WWE was able to use him to wrap up storylines. These guys who want out and sit out are selfish jerks who are hurting their co-workers in the process.
Add Faceless and Kannelis to the Aries list.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 12, 2019 11:04:35 GMT -5
I seriously doubt AEW would want any of these guys that request their releases, except Luke Harper.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 12, 2019 12:34:10 GMT -5
Right now, I'm trying to sort through my thoughts, but so far, I've settled on this: Screw Sin Cara and Mike Kannelis. You both are "featured" in an ongoing story on a brand and decided that because it's not the story you want, you're taking your ball and wanting to go home. Their decisions do not just impact themselves. It impacts the others who are in that story with them. I like to think WWE isn't written on the fly in terms of rivalries (maybe the nuances are, but I'm certain WWE decides they want Sin Cara feuding with X or AJ Styles feuding with Y. The details change weekly), and that the stories are intended to reach a payoff at a PPV. So, when you already pencil in Andrade v. Sin Cara and others vs. others, what do you do with Andrade when Sin Cara sits out? You've already got others involved in other feuds. Do you sit him out and kill momentum? Do you just have him squash jobbers until the next storyline cycle? Do you randomly pair him up or inset him in an ongoing feud? By failing to honor their contracts, they're creating issues for management and also hurting their coworkers in the process who are relying upon them to make use of the time they are given. Imagine you're doing a project with another student or a task with a co-worker. And that co-worker/student decides to just up an leave. You have two options: finish the project or take an F or not complete the task. You have options. In wrestling stories, if your peer leaves, you don't get a say in the decision. It's not like you can complete the feud on your own. You can't wrestle an invisible person (at least in the states). It's a very selfish act--especially when you're in the infancy of a multi year contract. Dean Ambrose/Moxley did it right. He told WWE he was leaving. WWE was able to use him to wrap up storylines. These guys who want out and sit out are selfish jerks who are hurting their co-workers in the process. Add Faceless and Kannelis to the Aries list. Lets be honest - Sin Cara and Mike Kanellis wouldn’t be hurting anybody by leaving. They’d make little to no difference to the shows. Kanellis is basically worthless, and Cara has barely been on TV in the last few years.
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Post by JC Motors on Nov 12, 2019 18:32:17 GMT -5
I think he overstayed his welcome.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 12, 2019 19:12:26 GMT -5
His request was denied apparently. Waste of money on WWE’s part
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 12, 2019 19:40:53 GMT -5
Right now, I'm trying to sort through my thoughts, but so far, I've settled on this: Screw Sin Cara and Mike Kannelis. You both are "featured" in an ongoing story on a brand and decided that because it's not the story you want, you're taking your ball and wanting to go home. Their decisions do not just impact themselves. It impacts the others who are in that story with them. I like to think WWE isn't written on the fly in terms of rivalries (maybe the nuances are, but I'm certain WWE decides they want Sin Cara feuding with X or AJ Styles feuding with Y. The details change weekly), and that the stories are intended to reach a payoff at a PPV. So, when you already pencil in Andrade v. Sin Cara and others vs. others, what do you do with Andrade when Sin Cara sits out? You've already got others involved in other feuds. Do you sit him out and kill momentum? Do you just have him squash jobbers until the next storyline cycle? Do you randomly pair him up or inset him in an ongoing feud? By failing to honor their contracts, they're creating issues for management and also hurting their coworkers in the process who are relying upon them to make use of the time they are given. Imagine you're doing a project with another student or a task with a co-worker. And that co-worker/student decides to just up an leave. You have two options: finish the project or take an F or not complete the task. You have options. In wrestling stories, if your peer leaves, you don't get a say in the decision. It's not like you can complete the feud on your own. You can't wrestle an invisible person (at least in the states). It's a very selfish act--especially when you're in the infancy of a multi year contract. Dean Ambrose/Moxley did it right. He told WWE he was leaving. WWE was able to use him to wrap up storylines. These guys who want out and sit out are selfish jerks who are hurting their co-workers in the process. Add Faceless and Kannelis to the Aries list. Lets be honest - Sin Cara and Mike Kanellis wouldn’t be hurting anybody by leaving. They’d make little to no difference to the shows. Kanellis is basically worthless, and Cara has barely been on TV in the last few years. True. But both were in storylines with other wrestlers when they decided to seek a release. I think it's pretty genius on their part. lock in a long-term contract then few months later decide it's not for you. WWE won't let them out and they can sit on their butts collecting a check. The only bad part is those that we're working with them in a story now have to suffer.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 12, 2019 21:52:41 GMT -5
All the more tragic how WWE let a loyal company man like JTG go.
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 13, 2019 2:41:09 GMT -5
Nothing of value would be lost anyways.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Nov 13, 2019 10:48:56 GMT -5
I feel this is such bad timing, especially since their pushing him now on TV. What does that do to his new partner that was introduce to TV too.
I expect that this will set up any future people who want to resign; to rethink if they'll regret it after.
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Nov 13, 2019 19:23:07 GMT -5
Guess he's not part of the "gratitude era".
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Post by BASTARDKING on Nov 14, 2019 13:23:14 GMT -5
Right now, I'm trying to sort through my thoughts, but so far, I've settled on this: Screw Sin Cara and Mike Kannelis. You both are "featured" in an ongoing story on a brand and decided that because it's not the story you want, you're taking your ball and wanting to go home. Their decisions do not just impact themselves. It impacts the others who are in that story with them. I like to think WWE isn't written on the fly in terms of rivalries (maybe the nuances are, but I'm certain WWE decides they want Sin Cara feuding with X or AJ Styles feuding with Y. The details change weekly), and that the stories are intended to reach a payoff at a PPV. So, when you already pencil in Andrade v. Sin Cara and others vs. others, what do you do with Andrade when Sin Cara sits out? You've already got others involved in other feuds. Do you sit him out and kill momentum? Do you just have him squash jobbers until the next storyline cycle? Do you randomly pair him up or inset him in an ongoing feud? By failing to honor their contracts, they're creating issues for management and also hurting their coworkers in the process who are relying upon them to make use of the time they are given. Imagine you're doing a project with another student or a task with a co-worker. And that co-worker/student decides to just up an leave. You have two options: finish the project or take an F or not complete the task. You have options. In wrestling stories, if your peer leaves, you don't get a say in the decision. It's not like you can complete the feud on your own. You can't wrestle an invisible person (at least in the states). It's a very selfish act--especially when you're in the infancy of a multi year contract. Dean Ambrose/Moxley did it right. He told WWE he was leaving. WWE was able to use him to wrap up storylines. These guys who want out and sit out are selfish jerks who are hurting their co-workers in the process. Add Faceless and Kannelis to the Aries list. Aries as in Austin Aries? That turnip eating, malcontent walks into a company, bitches and moans about his spot, doesn’t care to put certain talent over, doesn’t give a damn about any of the boys, just cares about getting himself over and getting paid, that guy?
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 14, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
Aries as in Austin Aries? That turnip eating, malcontent walks into a company, bitches and moans about his spot, doesn’t care to put certain talent over, doesn’t give a damn about any of the boys, just cares about getting himself over and getting paid, that guy? Yeah. I know Kannelis and Cara aren't that bad, but they're on my list of wrestlers who I'd never pay a dime to at this point. Selfish behavior. Aries got my $40 before I learned he behaved like a d-bag.
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 14, 2019 15:18:15 GMT -5
I feel this is such bad timing, especially since their pushing him now on TV. What does that do to his new partner that was introduce to TV too. I expect that this will set up any future people who want to resign; to rethink if they'll regret it after. that was the point I made earlier. their decision to quit impacts those involved in their stories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:48:43 GMT -5
I seriously doubt AEW would want any of these guys that request their releases, except Luke Harper. Didn't the Revival ask for their release once too? I'm sure AEW would love to have them in their stacked tag team division. I think their contracts are up in the Spring.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 14, 2019 18:13:15 GMT -5
I seriously doubt AEW would want any of these guys that request their releases, except Luke Harper. Didn't the Revival ask for their release once too? I'm sure AEW would love to have them in their stacked tag team division. I think their contracts are up in the Spring. Yes, they did. But didn't they sign for another three years? Or is that the "OC" I'm thinking about? But The Revival too. If they leave, AEW should sign them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:57:44 GMT -5
Didn't the Revival ask for their release once too? I'm sure AEW would love to have them in their stacked tag team division. I think their contracts are up in the Spring. Yes, they did. But didn't they sign for another three years? Or is that the "OC" I'm thinking about? But The Revival too. If they leave, AEW should sign them. OC resigned. I was very disappointed in them. I know I know, but they're making money right?
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Post by McBlake on Nov 14, 2019 19:27:49 GMT -5
Hunico is a capable worker. The Sin Cara character has just over stayed it's welcome. It hasn't been remotely interesting for years. Maybe they could reform the Lucha Dragons when the LHP break up, but besides that his only hope is a serious makeover imo. I'm not surprised he's asked for his release.
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